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2 Informacio (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Informacio (mind)  3 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: *** HUNGARY *** #378 (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: FODOR ISTVAN (BOOK) (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Hungarian ancestors (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
7 Researching Hung. Roots (mind)  239 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: teszt (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Hungarian ancestors (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I'm interested in information regarding my Hungarian ancestors.  If someone
could direct me towards a more appropriate newsgroup, I'd be appreciative.  My
ancestors, Gutfreund (Goodfriend), left Hungary in 1900 from a town in
northern Hungary named Satoraljaujhely.

Any information would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
+ - Informacio (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Zsolti,

        Katptam tvled egy teszt levelet ezzel a cimmel. Sajnos valahogy
 elvesztettem a sajat
cimedet amikor a gepemnek a winchesterje tvnkrement. Remilem megkapod.

        Mi ujsag van veled is a csaladtol? Nalunk az ujsag az hogy elvesztettem
 az allasomat,
es most keresek uj lehetvsigeket. A keresis soraban talaltam egy |zlet kvtisi
 lehetvsiget, is
gondoltam hogy velhivom a Havass Miklost, akinek rengeteg ismervsei vannak. De
 amikor hivtam
a szamat, nem vette fel senki. Azt hiszem hogy elkvltvztek az Etele ztrol. Hogy
 ha van egy
kit perced, legyil szives is probald megtalalni az uj telefon is fax szamjat.

        Az |zleti lehetvsig nvi ruhakkal foglalkozik, a lehetvsignek nehany
 millio dollar
irtike van, de lehet kissebben is bele lipni. Sz|ksigem van valakire aki
 egyszerre meg tud
venni, is tovabb adni, tvbb ezer darab nvi divat ruhat. Mindd elsv minosig a ne
 yorki divat
haz DKNY-nak a produkcioja. Tvbb mint 50% engedminnyel a gyari araktol lehet

        Hogy ha te ismersz valakit aki ijesmivel foglalkozik, akkor k|ld el a
 nevit is
szamat. Persze hogy ha te segitesz ezzel a eladassal, akkor kapsz belvle egy ki


+ - Re: Informacio (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bocsanat.....A keresett szemely nem en vagyok.!!!!!!
Magyar Bela
+ - Re: *** HUNGARY *** #378 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>        I am in search of good access to a Corvina Press book.
>        It is called  ,,In Search of a New Homeland'' by Fodor Istvan.
>        A local bookstore quoted me US$40- plus 12 weeks wait.
>        It is not available at local libraries in Buffalo or at the
>        Uni and US$40 is more than my budget will allow.

>        Any ideas?

>        TIA,
>        Michael D.

         Have you tried an inter-library loan yet?  Go to the university
         library and give them the title, etc... They will search other
         libraries online and should get you the book within a couple of

         Unfortunatelly, I dont have much time to search today but I searched
         the University of Virginia library and it is available there at the
         Alderman Library and it is not checked out as I write this.
         call#: db927 f6213 1982

                                     Varga Ferenc
+ - Re: FODOR ISTVAN (BOOK) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Michael D. asks about cheap[er] sources for Fodor Istvan's book, *In Search
of a New Homeland".  He might try Puski Corvin Books in New York Cit, the
main Hungarian importer around here.

Batkay Be'la
+ - Re: Hungarian ancestors (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

James Rothschild asks for informtion sources about his Hungarian ancestors.
About a year ago I posted some general information about such things, which
should be available fromthe list archives.  But I have no idea how to re-
trieve it from there.

In general, however, the Mormon Church maintains the most extensive geneolo-
gical records in the universe, accessible through local Family History Centers.
Contacting the nearest Mormon congregation should get him the name and address
of the closest such Center.

Good Luck!
Batkay Be'la
+ - Researching Hung. Roots (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Greetings all,

I submit an article by a friend of mine that I believe people here may find
interesting, about how to track geneological Hungarian heritage. This
article ran in last week's edition of a free online newsletter I publish,
called the Hungary Report. Details of the newsletter, including
subscription info, is at bottom.



-----------------------                         -----------------------
Rick E. Bruner                           Freelance journalist, Budapest
>               Editor: The Hungary Report (online)
>                                 "info" c/o:
Tel/Fax: (36-1) 202-4700       >


  Geneologists help Magyars track roots

  By Michael J. Jordan
  Tel: (361) 141-4837
  Copyright (c) 1995

  A decade ago, American Philip Janosik was sitting in his living room
  surrounded by three generations of his family when he felt the tug of
  his ancestral roots.

  "It occurred to me that if someone didn't start putting our history
  down on paper it would be lost some day," said Janosik, a 63-year-old
  retiree living in Enumclaw, Washington. "It's something for my
  descendents, not for myself."

  A decade of genealogical research later, Janosik now believes he is a
  descendent of the legendary Hungarian "Robin Hood" figure Gyorgy
  Janosik, whose gang robbed from landowners and gave to peasants in
  the Tatra Mountains in the early 1700s.

  "I think I'm related, but I'm not sure how yet," Janosik said in an
  interview from the United States.

  Despite a reputation for rootlessness, Americans have long been
  fascinated with their ties to the Old World. And the collapse of the
  Soviet empire has brought to the surface reams of records and
  documents that have given genealogical services and hobbyists
  unprecedented access to Central and Eastern European archives.

  Genealogical services, which charge from $200 to $2,000 to create a
  family tree, are increasing in popularity. The services are
  particularly popular among Americans, who rely heavily on
  professional assistance because they are not familiar with European
  history and geography and often don't have the luxury of traveling to
  poke through materials.

  Janosik assumed he was of Slovak origin because he looked at the map
  and saw the town his relatives had emigrated from was in present-day
  Slovakia. Only later did he learn that the town was part of Hungary
  at the time his parents left.

  Even high-profile Americans, like newly elected New York Governor
  George Pataki, are getting into the act. Pataki has learned from his
  older brother Louis, the family archivist, that their grandfather
  grew up in Kisvarda, a Hungarian village of 18,000 near the Ukrainian

  Grandfather Janos Pataki set off for the US in 1908 with dreams of a
  prosperous future, but wound up in a hat factory in Peekskill, NY.
  The new governor said he intends to visit Hungary because of his
  "strong emotional ties" to the region.

  But answering "Who am I?" is no longer a client's sole motivation.
  They also ask for information on land seized by the Communists in
  1948, how to obtain birth certificates and where to locate distant
  relatives. One 50-year-old man with a family history of heart disease
  called Family Tree Genealogical Research Bureau to learn more about
  what to expect in his future.

  For some clients, like Hungarian-Belgian P=E9ter Langh, an interest in
  genealogy can be two-fold. Langh, a Brussels native who moved to
  Budapest in 1991, traced his Hungarian roots back to the 1650s. But
  equally important to him were the facts and figures about Hungary's
  century-old goose-liver industry. Langh and his father own Baron
  Kft., a processor and exporter of the Hungarian delicacy.

  "For 40 years Hungarians living abroad were kept apart from their
  history," said Langh, 37, whose family emigrated in 1957. "Unless
  you're a politician or a general in the army, you don't act on
  history. But by learning about the movement of your family and the
  way things were, you realize how history acted on you."

  Among clients, genealogists note a disproportionate number of Jews.
  For half a century the subject was taboo among Hungarian Jewry.
  Lineage once determined life or death: beginning in 1938, Hungarians
  were persecuted unless they could prove the absence of Jewish blood
  dating back three generations. And during the Communist era,
  hard-line leaders like Matyas Rakosi emphasized ideology over

  "Survivors of the Holocaust now want their children to know what
  happened to their ancestors," said genealogist Ilona Sardi, who works
  at the Budapest Jewish Museum.

  Tracing a family history can often be disillusioning. Some clients
  enter their quest with preconceived notions they are somehow linked
  to Hungarian nobility or famous literary figures. That only heightens
  the disappointment.

  "Almost always that's false," said Family Tree co-owner Tibor
  Radvanyi. "It was just some nice tale your grandma told you."

  Family Tree has, however, matched up clients with the likes of Mihaly
  Voromarty and Ferenc Deak. One client was recently traced back to a
  13th-century nobleman. Another client, Erzsebet Bese, is a descendant
  of one of the original Magyar tribes.

  "Before it was only family legend because we had no strong proof,"
  Bese said.

  For every discovery of a celebrity ancestor, there's one that
  shatters a family.

  One Hungarian-American discovered through research that his father
  was a Hungarian fascist leader during World War II. Another family
  was humiliated to learn of an ancestor born out of wedlock. And a
  Hungarian-Argentinean, a staunch Roman-Catholic, recently refused
  payment to Family Tree when told he was related to a 19th-century

  Genealogists encourage clients to adopt the same attitude as Ernest
  Chrisbacher of Wayne, NJ. He wasn't surprised to learn his ethnic
  German ancestors were farmers for 250 years in western Hungary. The
  family name Griesbacher was changed by US immigration officials at
  the turn of the century.

  "Every road you take in life has a thousand forks in it, and that's
  how I came to be here," said the 61-year-old Chrisbacher. For several
  years he's published a newsletter updating about 100 Griesbachers
  around the world of his genealogical research.

  Realistic expectations make for greater likelihood of a "success,"
  said longtime genealogist A. Sandor Harmath. Said Harmath: "Don't be
  disappointed if it turns out you're coming from a very simple

  So, you want to trace your Hungarian roots

  Genealogist Harmath, who says he has searched through archives for
  more than 600 clients over the past 50 years, has a simple
  do-it-yourself recipe: knowledge of Hungarian history and geography,
  and mastery of German and Latin (Hungarian became the permanent
  official language only in 1867).

  If you're lacking any or all of these skills, Harmath says at least
  toss in a dash of detective work and a pinch of patience.

  The State Archives are located at 1 Beecsi Kapu ter, on Castle Hill.

  Bring plenty of identification as security is tight. Head to the
  microfilm section armed with all the information you have about your
  family. Don't hesitate to ask for assistance.

  Start with the books listing town or church records. For each name,
  there is (hopefully) a date and place of birth, marriage and death,
  and the name of their spouse. File a request for the microfilm, and
  expect it the next day.

  From there, trace backward. If information is missing, search for
  clues. For example, suggests Harmath, if your ancestor was a peasant,
  but you don't know exactly where his family was from, try searching
  within a 30-kilometer radius.

  "When science doesn't serve you, you have to use your instincts,"
  Harmath said. But once you start, he promises, you'll find "it's like
  a drug. You can't give up."

  If the prospect of days spent in the library doesn't appeal to you,
  try a genealogist. Tell them what you want to know, then ask around
  for a couple of estimates.

  A word to the wise: the genealogy business everywhere has a
  reputation for producing hoaxes. Insist on xeroxed copies of

  Here are some sources contacted for this report:

  Tibor Radvanyi and Gyorgy Eotvos
  Family Tree
  Tel: (36-1) 215-0696; 132-7905
  Budapest 1025, Zoldlomb u.. 16-18/b

  Dr. Sandor Harmath
  Tel: (36-1) 114-0310
  Budapest 1085, Jozsef krt. 50, III/12

  Ilona Sardi
  Jewish Museum (specializing in Jewish heritage)
  Tel: (36-1) 342-1350; 342-8949

                                * * *

  Michael Jordan (no, NOT the basketball player) is a freelance
  journalist writing for Reuters and other sources and, fortunately, is
  a friend of the Hungary Report. Unfortunately, he's not online


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+ - Re: teszt (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>Kedves olvasok!
>Elnezest ezert a Teszt levelert, a szoftveren allitunk.
>A kiado
Kezd elegem lenni az =E9rtelmetlen =FCzenetekb=F6l =E9s id=E9tlen tesztekb=
Tud=F3s=EDt=E1sokkal sokkal jobban j=E1rn=E1nk. Meg n=E9mi kontrollal a list=
Vidos Tibor