On 6 Dec 1996 02:14:50 GMT,  () wrote:

>BeeJay  > wrote:
>>
>>Ahem, I personally think that Joe was responding to Van Dijk's
>>*exaggeration*.
>
>Yeap!  I also found it ironic for somebody from Holland to point fingers
>at US and blaming us for major drug addiction.  Is there a more liberal
>developed country with regards to drug usage than Holland?
>
>Joe

Maybe not. But I fear you know too little about the repression of, or
tolerance towards, drug usage in The Netherlands (correct term for
'Holland'). First, we make a distinction between hard and soft drugs,
the latter being hash and marijuana. There is a strong repression
against hard drugs, and help for its victims. There is a moderate
tolerance towards soft-drugs (the famous coffee-shops). The result of
this is that The Netherlands has a very low number of hard drug
addicts, compared to western countries with a strong repression
against all types of drugs (France, Germany, U.S.).  Many Dutch people
are 'proud' of this two-way strategy and have a hard time
understanding why peopleof 'unsuccessful countries want us to be more
like them.
Second, you are commiting an ad hominem fallacy here. The fact that I
or Jeroen live in the Netherlands does not disqualify us to advance
the argument that the U.S. has a serious drug (and poverty) problem.
Which is, by the way, something else than 'blaming the U.S. for major
drug addiction'. Jeroen simply pointed out that there is a distance
between the American Dream and the American Reality, and that drugs
and poverty are part of this Reality.

Michel Couzijn
Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Maybe the same one who, according to someone on SCM, discovered
> >> >the Arabs of Hungarian descent living in Egypt in the 1920's. It would be
> >
> >BTW, those are the Magyarabs!(Sudan,Egypt,upper course of the Nile)
> >PK
> 
> Alright, alright, I remember! Maybe there is something to that story after
> all, although I am still somewhat sceptical . . .
> 
> If it is true, and these people are still living in Egypt, someone should
> make a little trek to discover them. It certainly could be interesting. Just
> think, if the csangos speak an archaic dialiect of Hungarian, what must
> these people be speaking after all these centuries!
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Johanne
> Johanne L. Tournier
> e-mail - 

It is true, believe me. I met a couple in Hungary, at the Hugarian World
Congres in June, talked to the guy, just politenesses, 'cause that was
my first reaction-"Are You guys Magyarabs? an he confirmed, Then I saw a
clip ( a short interview ) made by the TVR(Bucharest) reporter , where
he talked about themselves. They do not speak Hungarian, but keep the
legend of their origin ( and to confess my ignorance I do not know about
any proof of their origin either) . He spoke an accented Hungarian, my
guess is that he learned that in Hungary .
Why don't You write a short e-mail to the MVSZ , to send You some info
about the Magyarabs?( address:   )

Regards, Peter Kovalszki

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally, Wally, you can't even keep your crap in one piece.
> Have you got the runnies, or something?

Just wanted you to run around sniffing it all up.
Hey Gyorgy, don't let life stick to the bottom of your shoe.

>>I can see you now, deep inside the nerdherd at primary
>>school commencement
>>-- "Oh yes, Ms Grundy, I want to be politically correct
>>when I grow up."
> Must have come from your childhood, mine was more fun.

Mine was poetically correct.

>>>>Cheap?
>>>>That's what the women in SCM have told me about you -- Mr
>>>>Shabby Trabbie.
>>>
>>>Which ones? The blondes? :-)
>>
>>Yes, the ones driving the '69 Yugo Egos.
> Ah, the non-existing ones. No wonder they come so handy for
> a pseudopoet.

I was referring to YOUR chicks, you know Yugo, the ones built like a Lada
impersonating a Trab in Drag. You gotta Lada woe man.

>>>>The analogy reflects you all right -- Drab Trab, the
>>>>Bulibash of Banality.
>>>I knew you would try that. You still know nothing about
>>>the Trabi.
>>
>>Sure, yes, of course you did, yeh, yeh, right. Weren't you
>>the one I saw on the news in 89 pushing a Trabbi full of
>>EGerms into Austria? Nor do you know anything about
>>Bulibash.
> Hmmm. That's when you write nasty things (bash) about a
> Hungarian party (buli). Yeah, that must be it! :-)
> You still know nothing about the Trabi, spelling included.

I know more about the Trabbie than you know about Bulibash. I'm
multi-dimensional -- I can also spell it as Trabby, whereas you are
one-dimensional -- you spell it the one-&-only-politically-correct-way.
Like I once said, you are grey scale to my technicolor.

>>>Yawn ....
>>
>>Your best trick yet. Congrats!!!!!
> 
> Thanks. But it wasn't a trick. I got bored by your
> recycling. 

Oh we know you were bored, still your response was YOUR BEST trick.
You don't think I respond to your posts just to keep you awake at night.
I am satisfied that you are bored to death.
If I caused you any kind of positive response, I would regard it as a failure.
Besides, it gives me an opportunity to exercise my inclination towards the
trivial from time to time. If I want some gourmet substance, I go after
the likes of TwoDoor Dimwit. He's sunk into the background the past couple
days -- perhaps, hopefully, he's composing something nuclear to waste me
with. In the meantime, your cork-on-a-string will do.

On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 21:19:19 GMT,  (Ania Oleksik)
wrote:

>On 6 Dec 1996 18:55:09 -0800, BeeJay > wrote:
>
>>> If it makes you feel better to call your opponents names, go ahead,
>>> but don't expect us to take you seriously any longer. Why would Jeroen
>>                   ^^
>>I take it that should read "me". You speak for yourself in the first
>>place, in my humble opinion.
>
>Your opinion is indeed humble. I speak for myself in the first place
>and - not so humbly - for the rest of this newsgroup's subscribers in
>the second place. I am an individual who considers himself part of a

[in-depth analysis of Bas' discussional merits (sic) snipped]


You certainly have my vote ... :)


My oh my ...

It seems like I'm not the only one who doesn't wholeheartly agree with
the way BJ compensates his questionnable lack of reading skills (or
valid arguments contributing to the discussion, for that matter) with
name-calling and childish ranting.

Bas ? Does that ring a bell ?
Probably not. *sigh*


Didier
----------
"If only God would give me some clear sign!  Like making a large
deposit in my name in a Swiss bank."

On 6 Dec 1996 17:24:08 -0800, BeeJay > wrote:

[snip]


>> >
>> >No, I will not take you as an example, because what you claim is in my
>> >humble opinion questionable. As far as I know the US are the most popular
>> >destination for migrants. It is also the most accessible destination in
>> >the Western world, as far as I know. 
>> 
>> Yep, as the Mexican would-be immigrants will be happy to confirm.
>
>Make that "will-be". There's also a steady flow of immigrants from the Far
>East. For more information and statistics about immigration I refer to
>the Website of the U.S. Dept. of Justice (http://www.usdoj.gov/).

Yep. And I'll consult Mr. Fox if I want to start a chicken farm.

[snip]

>
>Well, you have poverty and you have poverty. For some people it will be
>unbearable, but for others it won't. But read carefully, Moens, because I
>say "not necessarily unbearable", which does not exclude the possibility
>that there's a contingent that is unhappy. Which only shows that you don't

Depends on your definition of 'contingent'.

>necessarily have to be rich to be happy here, as the initial correspondant

I certainly agree with that.

>wants us to think. 

>> Didier Moens
>
>Oh dear, him again....

You got a problem with that ?

Oh, I forgot : NNTP is only for people sharing your views ; all others
are Nazi postmasters who want to limit freedom of speech.



Didier
----------
"If it turns out that there is a God, I don't think that he's evil.
But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an
underachiever."

In article > ,
 writes:
>Searching our KUTYLA family.

If I were you I'd try either soc.genealogy.slavic or
soc.culture.czecho-slovak.

Tamas

Pannon Joe > kerdi:
>
>Kivancsi lennek mas muegyetemi (BME) oregdiakok tapasztalatara arrol,
>vajon szoktak-e idonkent talalkozni.  Az en villamoskari tablokepemen
>van utalas ilyen talalkozasokra, de meg egyszer sem hallottam, hogy
>valaha is rendeztek volna ilyet.  Pedig mar tobb, mint 30 eve vegeztem.
>Hogy van ez mas evfolyamoknal?
>
Mi harminc eve vegeztunk a vegyeszmernoki karon, es a nyaron
evfolyamtalalkozot tartottunk. Veletlenul megvan me'g az a levelem, amelyet
egy kulfoldon elo evfolyamtarsamnak irtam, aki nem tudott eljonni a
talalkozora. Ha jol emlekszem, a diplomazas ota ez a masodik talalkozo,
valamikor nagyon regen megtartottuk a 10 eveset, de azota nem talalkoztunk.

"Kedves R.!

Delutan 5-kor a Ch epulet hatso reszeben levo eloadoban talalkoztunk. Szep
szammal megjelent az evfolyam, a kb. 140-es letszambol 100 korul lehettunk.
Alig ismertem meg a lanyokat es fiukat, ennyi venasszonnyal es oregurral meg
eletemben nem talalkoztam :-)

Volt egy nevsor cimekkel es munkahellyel, es volt nevsorolvasas, amelynek
kapcsan mindenki elmondhatta, hogy jok-e az adatok, es adott esetben
javitotta vagy kiegeszitette az informaciot. A legnagyobb meglepetest a
lanyok okoztak, akiknek nagy resze mar nyugdijas! A fiuk egy (kisebb) resze
pedig munkanelkuli. A leveledet elvittem, es amikor rad kerult a sor, fel
akartam olvasni, de B. Zsuzsa minden olyan lenyeges informaciot elmondott
rolad, amit a leveledben irtal, igy csak megerositeni tudtam azt, amit
Zsuzsa mondott.

A Gellert terrol kulonbusszal atszallitottak a tarsasagot a Zrinyi utcaba
(no, nem a kapitanysagra, hanem melle a BM-klubba). Itt pezsgovel vartak,
majd eleg jo minosegu hidegkaja volt. A hangulat viszonylag elfogadhato,
kisebb-nagyobb csoportokban ismerkedtunk ujra egymassal. Egy ido utan valami
zenekar is elokerult: nehany lanyt meg a tancolasra is ra lehetett venni. En
kb. ejfelig voltam ott, ekkor mar szallingozni kezdtek hazafele, kivancsi
vagyok, mikor dobta ki a szemelyzet az utolso embereket.

Tulajdonkeppen jol ereztem magam, a vegere mar megszoktam, hogy ennyire
megvenultunk. Te odakinn bizonyara fiatalabb maradtal, az altalanos
tapasztalat azt mutatja, hogy itthon gyorsabban oregszunk. De azert idonkent
hazalatogatsz, ugy-e?

Koszont:
Gyuri"

Remelem, Joe, sikerult kivancsisagodat csillapitani.
Udvozol:
Jalsovszky Gyorgy

Pannon Joe > kerdi:
>
>Kivancsi lennek mas muegyetemi (BME) oregdiakok tapasztalatara arrol,
>vajon szoktak-e idonkent talalkozni.  Az en villamoskari tablokepemen
>van utalas ilyen talalkozasokra, de meg egyszer sem hallottam, hogy
>valaha is rendeztek volna ilyet.  Pedig mar tobb, mint 30 eve vegeztem.
>Hogy van ez mas evfolyamoknal?
>
Mi harminc eve vegeztunk a vegyeszmernoki karon, es a nyaron
evfolyamtalalkozot tartottunk. Veletlenul megvan me'g az a levelem, amelyet
egy kulfoldon elo evfolyamtarsamnak irtam, aki nem tudott eljonni a
talalkozora. Ha jol emlekszem, a diplomazas ota ez a masodik talalkozo,
valamikor nagyon regen megtartottuk a 10 eveset, de azota nem talalkoztunk.

"Kedves R.!

Delutan 5-kor a Ch epulet hatso reszeben levo eloadoban talalkoztunk. Szep
szammal megjelent az evfolyam, a kb. 140-es letszambol 100 korul lehettunk.
Alig ismertem meg a lanyokat es fiukat, ennyi venasszonnyal es oregurral meg
eletemben nem talalkoztam :-)

Volt egy nevsor cimekkel es munkahellyel, es volt nevsorolvasas, amelynek
kapcsan mindenki elmondhatta, hogy jok-e az adatok, es adott esetben
javitotta vagy kiegeszitette az informaciot. A legnagyobb meglepetest a
lanyok okoztak, akiknek nagy resze mar nyugdijas! A fiuk egy (kisebb) resze
pedig munkanelkuli. A leveledet elvittem, es amikor rad kerult a sor, fel
akartam olvasni, de B. Zsuzsa minden olyan lenyeges informaciot elmondott
rolad, amit a leveledben irtal, igy csak megerositeni tudtam azt, amit
Zsuzsa mondott.

A Gellert terrol kulonbusszal atszallitottak a tarsasagot a Zrinyi utcaba
(no, nem a kapitanysagra, hanem melle a BM-klubba). Itt pezsgovel vartak,
majd eleg jo minosegu hidegkaja volt. A hangulat viszonylag elfogadhato,
kisebb-nagyobb csoportokban ismerkedtunk ujra egymassal. Egy ido utan valami
zenekar is elokerult: nehany lanyt meg a tancolasra is ra lehetett venni. En
kb. ejfelig voltam ott, ekkor mar szallingozni kezdtek hazafele, kivancsi
vagyok, mikor dobta ki a szemelyzet az utolso embereket.

Tulajdonkeppen jol ereztem magam, a vegere mar megszoktam, hogy ennyire
megvenultunk. Te odakinn bizonyara fiatalabb maradtal, az altalanos
tapasztalat azt mutatja, hogy itthon gyorsabban oregszunk. De azert idonkent
hazalatogatsz, ugy-e?

Koszont:
Gyuri"

Remelem, Joe, sikerult kivancsisagodat csillapitani.
Udvozol:
Jalsovszky Gyorgy

Pannon Joe > kerdi:
>
>Kivancsi lennek mas muegyetemi (BME) oregdiakok tapasztalatara arrol,
>vajon szoktak-e idonkent talalkozni.  Az en villamoskari tablokepemen
>van utalas ilyen talalkozasokra, de meg egyszer sem hallottam, hogy
>valaha is rendeztek volna ilyet.  Pedig mar tobb, mint 30 eve vegeztem.
>Hogy van ez mas evfolyamoknal?
>
Mi harminc eve vegeztunk a vegyeszmernoki karon, es a nyaron
evfolyamtalalkozot tartottunk. Veletlenul megvan me'g az a levelem, amelyet
egy kulfoldon elo evfolyamtarsamnak irtam, aki nem tudott eljonni a
talalkozora. Ha jol emlekszem, a diplomazas ota ez a masodik talalkozo,
valamikor nagyon regen megtartottuk a 10 eveset, de azota nem talalkoztunk.

"Kedves R.!

Delutan 5-kor a Ch epulet hatso reszeben levo eloadoban talalkoztunk. Szep
szammal megjelent az evfolyam, a kb. 140-es letszambol 100 korul lehettunk.
Alig ismertem meg a lanyokat es fiukat, ennyi venasszonnyal es oregurral meg
eletemben nem talalkoztam :-)

Volt egy nevsor cimekkel es munkahellyel, es volt nevsorolvasas, amelynek
kapcsan mindenki elmondhatta, hogy jok-e az adatok, es adott esetben
javitotta vagy kiegeszitette az informaciot. A legnagyobb meglepetest a
lanyok okoztak, akiknek nagy resze mar nyugdijas! A fiuk egy (kisebb) resze
pedig munkanelkuli. A leveledet elvittem, es amikor rad kerult a sor, fel
akartam olvasni, de B. Zsuzsa minden olyan lenyeges informaciot elmondott
rolad, amit a leveledben irtal, igy csak megerositeni tudtam azt, amit
Zsuzsa mondott.

A Gellert terrol kulonbusszal atszallitottak a tarsasagot a Zrinyi utcaba
(no, nem a kapitanysagra, hanem melle a BM-klubba). Itt pezsgovel vartak,
majd eleg jo minosegu hidegkaja volt. A hangulat viszonylag elfogadhato,
kisebb-nagyobb csoportokban ismerkedtunk ujra egymassal. Egy ido utan valami
zenekar is elokerult: nehany lanyt meg a tancolasra is ra lehetett venni. En
kb. ejfelig voltam ott, ekkor mar szallingozni kezdtek hazafele, kivancsi
vagyok, mikor dobta ki a szemelyzet az utolso embereket.

Tulajdonkeppen jol ereztem magam, a vegere mar megszoktam, hogy ennyire
megvenultunk. Te odakinn bizonyara fiatalabb maradtal, az altalanos
tapasztalat azt mutatja, hogy itthon gyorsabban oregszunk. De azert idonkent
hazalatogatsz, ugy-e?

Koszont:
Gyuri"

Remelem, Joe, sikerult kivancsisagodat csillapitani.
Udvozol:
Jalsovszky Gyorgy