writes:

>Dan Pop ) wrote:

>: Most people will simply see a line containing some gibberish on their
>: screens, but those with the "right" kind of terminals won't see the
>: line and won't suspect anything.  When they'll press the reprogrammed
>: key, the command will be executed, they'll even see it on the screen,
>: but until they realize what's happening and interrupt it, some (more or
>: less irreparable) harm has already been done.

>Dan,

>That is interesting. But arent terminal escape sequences only used for
>cursor positioning and similar activities. Would it be possible to
>execute an arbitrary command or script to implant a Trojan horse type of
>program into the target system?

>I appreciate the info you have given. I thaught email was entireely safe.
>I use vt102. Is there anythink I should be worried about?

>casy.

I think what Dan is referring to is a so called ANSI Bomb.  One of the
features of the ANSI.SYS utility which you can install in dos is that
you can preprogram a key to have a special function, using escape
sequence.  This way, you can program a particular key on your keyboard to
say format a hard drive...  Ansi bombs are usually found in BBS's and
are activated by merely reading an ascii file downloaded form the BBS.
However, the characters in the escape sequence are ussually 8bit characters,
while most e-mail is transmitted only in 7bits..  I believe that ansi bombs
can be trasmitted via irc, since at least my client can use 8bit characters,
and I have seen warnings about them in relation to irc, but I am not sure
about that...

-adam

PS (the way to prevent ansi bombs is by not installing ansi.sys, and
avoiding suspicious BBS's - hell, who uses them nowadays anyway ?? )

>
>> All nations have their good and bad elements, the main
>> question is the proportion between the two.
>
>Pal, you are a racist. A little bloody racist.

You are wrong.

>There is no question like that at all :-< Sorry, but that is primitive ,
>leads to stereotype thinking and prejudice only.

You are right. And that was also disgusting.

>Do not you remember how people
>used to justify anti-Jewish behaviour ? And you are coming up with
>a sentence like this ! C'mon !

Well probably I should have used another word, but does it justify you saying
things like above ? Features, characters. Who spoke about genetics ? Who told
that these elements are people ? There is a portion of good and bad in
everybody. Your reaction is an example of one of the worst features. I hope
you are not just like that.

>Just what measure would you use, anyway,
>to decide about goodness/badness ?

For example tolerance/intolerance, no fatal judgement from one sentence/or yes.

>Good Christian values , how fast you
>run or the love of Mohamed the Prophet ?

You know I am ateistic, but back the wish of religious people to have religious
schools, even partly financed by the state, because it comes from there taxes.

>Jewish blood or being a vegeterian?

You know I have some very good Jewish friends, but who spoke about Jewish
people in the Romanian-Hungarian relations. Why do you mix the text of Robert
and his usage of "elements" with mine ? Why do you want me fight against you ?
Do you need desperately an enemy ? I am sorry, I do not like fighting like
that.

>Should a Jewish Hungarian, as part of the Hungarian nation be ashamed ?
>What about baptized Hungarian Jews ? Gipsies or assimilated Gipsies ?

Who spoke about the Jewish and the Gipsies ?

>Converted Cumens and Pechenegs ? What about Hungarian persons with names
>Ne'met, Orosz, Toth, Ola'h, Horva't, Szerb, Cseh, Lengyel, Gorog or - ,
>Lipovitcs, Khaut, Bocskai, Schwendtner, Schwarz, Wyberal, Petrovics ?
>Should we leave them out while establishing the good/bad ratio for
>the Hungarian nation?

You know, my mother's family name is Sztrisko, because my grandfather was
100% ethnic Slovakian. He did not teach my mother to the language, because
he thought (died in 1944 in an accident, followed by an illness) it was
better in the Horthy era. The family name of my mother's mother is Krizsan
which obviously comes from Crisean (or so). The family remembrance does not
know it, but some of my ancessors must have been Romanian immigrants at the
age of Maria Theresa in the 18th century. My father comes from the Jaszsag
though from a "Hungarian" village, which did not belong to the Jasz-Nagykun
Captainship in the last century. Anyhow, it may happen, that I have Jazygian
ancessors as well.

>Also, is there a super-human/religion ethics that you think everybody
>should follow (and also covers the disservice you mentioned above) ?
>Please, enlighten us !

If you are still not satisfied, just ask me, please. But I like if it is me,
who sais my opinion and not the others.

Pal

Pal Hidas, CERN-PPE

On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, Charles Koerner wrote:

> My name is Pete Koerner.  I finally found the newsgroup
> soc.culture.magyar and was reading your messages.  My interest in
> Hungary is that my wife is Hungarian.  In fact she is visiting Szeged
> at this moment.  Do you know of any way I can find out the address of
> some one who lives in Szeged?  My wife does not belive in the Net, and
> dislikes computers.  So I thought this may be a way to enlighten her.
> Actually I have been trying to find information about Hungary, but with
> very little results.  At the most is a Hungarian Home Page on the WEB,
> and that's it.  Any help would be appreciated.
> Thank you
> charles P Koerner
> 

Pete (Charles),
you can start your search from my Hungarian page :
URL http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard on more Hungarian resources.

About Szeged, you might want to try to look up the WWW pages of Szeged if
they have any information that you are interested in.
You can start at :
URL http://www.u-szeged.hu/

Also, on those pages you can
find e-mail addresses of folks from that city.

I picked up randomly three, hopefully they are the helpful kind ;), try
to send your question to the, directly.

  Karoly Devenyi



Also, I am crossposting this message to bit.listserv.hungary and
soc.culture.magyar, read the replies, please.
Take care,
Gotthard

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This is not the first time I am perplexed at reading reactions to my
letter to a hix-magazine. Not long ago, I had the incredible audacity to
criticize the standards of humor in MOKA. When someone objected saying
that different people have different sense of humor, I was willing to
accept that, yet two days ago I and some other unlucky readers/writers
were advised to unsubscribe. Thus, according to this person, I and all
the others who agreed with me (I got several letters of approval on my
individual mail) are NOT entitled to have their own sense of humor.
        And now, I am called a racist, a bloody one at that, for stating
that there are good people and bad people in all nations -- I should add
in all groups, whatever the criteria for grouping. Ecco (I erased those
segments of the message where I have nothing to add):
 =======================================================
> Felado : 
> Temakor: Hungary's Good Reputation ( 70 sor )
> Idopont: Fri Apr 14 14:30:12 EDT 1995 HUNGARY #281
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 1995, Robert Hetzron wrote:
> > I, a Hungarian Jew (or Jewish Hungarian) perfectly concur with C.F-B's
> > indignation over the stupid representation of Hungarian music and culture
> > by some German anti-expert and will definitely [SEND, a word I forgot
to type out, RH] a missive to Delta Music
> > expressing my amazement about such a high degree of incompetence. Yet the
> > second letter by the same fellow Hungarian, though it contains many good
> > points, raises some questions.
> > Hungarian antisemitism: It is true that many other countries have
> > horrible records of extermination of Jews but Hungary's record is less
> > than flawless. I only quote a few cases by memory without rechecking
> > (though on my desk I have N. Katzburg's Hebrew language book on
> > antisemitism in Hungary). When Buda was reconquered from the Turks, the
> > liberators massacred the Jews living there (there remains were found when
> > Hilton was built on the Castle Hill). Nagy Lajos banned Jews from
> > Hungary
>  ..
>
> Sorry Robert,
> but has it ever occured to you, that most of us in Hungary, were
> probably not even born yet when Buda were reconquered :) ? Not to mention
> the reign of Nagy Lajos. I do not think, that even Zsa Zsa Gabor witnessed
> those times. Also, the reconquerors of Buda were not Hungarians.
> Hungarian army did not exist at the end of the 17th century, the
> percentage of Hungarians in those troops was negligible.

Let me add than not even Honthy Hanna was alive then.  And I never
dreamed someone would read my message as an accusation against anybody
alive today.  The original letter referres to history, so did I. This is
not a matter of "who is responsible", but a statement of historical fact.

> The United States has more problems with anti-Jewish sentiments than
> Hungary. Just to mention the permanent in-the-front-of-the-window
> Blacks vs. Jews, white-supremacists vs Jews etc. little fights.
> You find more hate crimes in the USA per capita , than in any of
> the Central-European countries. Hungary did not have clubs, beaches,
> restaurants just 20-25 years back, unlike the USA,  that said -
> " Absolutely no Niggers or Jews allowed !"

It is true that in the US, recent history, and to a lesser extent the
present, has cases of shameful discrimination. Yet in the US nobody took
large groups of Jews or Blacks to the banks of the nearest freezing river
and shot them so that those who don't die immediately would freeze to death.
And this is what happened in Budapest, the river being the Danube (the
film Music Box is fiction in its details and accurate in its historical
references), and it is likely that some of the criminals who did that --
there were many teenagers in these execution squads -- may still be
alive. Yet I am not accusing you or anyone I know personally of this
crime. I only accuse you of ignorance and bias.
 > > But I
feel it is a
> > disservice to all the good and fair Christian Hungarians to conceal the
> > bad element, as it is to decent Jews to deny that there were Jewish
> > criminals as well.
>
> I do not think that "good and fair" Hungarian Christians should try to concea
l
> bad elements, although, most of the "good and fair" Hungarian Christians
> living in Hungary today, has nothing to do with anything you wrote .
> None of them is responsible for crimes comitted in the past.
> They are responsible only for what they are/were .

I have just answered this. I have no spoken of accusations but of
whitewashing or the conspiracy of silence. Also of ignorance of things
past. All I am suggesting is awareness of the crimes committed.

>
> > All nations have their good and bad elements, the main
> > question is the proportion between the two.
>
> Pal, you are a racist. A little bloody racist.
> There is no question like that at all :-< Sorry, but that is primitive ,
> leads to stereotype thinking and prejudice only.

I usually consider myself capable of logical thinking. What is racist
about a statement that specifically avoids the mention of any race,
nation, region, professional group, club, etc. First I thought you were
addressing someone called Pa'l (Paul)... As for the proportion of good
and bad: Hitler was elected by the German people legally, which means
that there was a large proportion of Germans who subscribed to his
philosophy. Do you claim there is no criterion to decide whether Hitler
was good or bad, even before the establishment of Dachau's death camp?

 Do not you remember how people
> used to justify anti-Jewish behaviour ?

I remember it very well, certainly better than you. But, in agreement
with what you said about responsibility, I refuse to take it for the
crimes of Rakosi, Gero, Peter Gabor and other people (including some
mafiosi in the US) who were born Jewish. I admit that there have been bad
people among Jews which should not reflect on other Jews, just the same
way as for Hungarians, Germans, Serbs, Cambodians, etc.

 And you are coming up with
> a sentence like this ! C'mon ! Just what measure would you use, anyway,
> to decide about goodness/badness ?

Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? etc., etc. Any doubts? Of course,
there are less clearcut cases. I like Napoleon and others, who may be
condemned by other people. And let me not mention the names of some
famous people that quasi-universally are considered good, but were not
necessarily that (just as an example: Rousseau). It is often hard to
decide, but do you have doubt about Stalin and Rakosi?

> Good Christian values , how fast you
> run or the love of Mohamed the Prophet ? Jewish blood or being a vegeterian?

This is just childish. Sorry, no prejudice against children: I used to be
one.

> Should a Jewish Hungarian, as part of the Hungarian nation be ashamed ?
> What about baptized Hungarian Jews ? Gipsies or assimilated Gipsies ?
> Converted Cumens and Pechenegs ? What about Hungarian persons with names
> Ne'met, Orosz, Toth, Ola'h, Horva't, Szerb, Cseh, Lengyel, Gorog or - ,
> Lipovitcs, Khaut, Bocskai, Schwendtner, Schwarz, Wyberal, Petrovics ?
> Should we leave them out while establishing the good/bad ratio for
> the Hungarian nation?

I hoped I made it explicit in my letter that everybody who was raised in
Hungarian culture is part of the Hungarian nation. I said nothing about
shame. I don't hold Szalasi against the Armenians, not even against
Hungarians, but I have no doubt (do you?) that he is on the "bad" list.

> Also, is there a super-human/religion ethics that you think everybody
> should follow (and also covers the disservice you mentioned above) ?
> Please, enlighten us !

There is no closed system of ethics I know of that should be followed by
everyone. If there could be one, I am definitely not qualified to
establish it. I am no superman, no seer, no prophet, just a thinking
member of society. Yet there are certain criteria that all moral systems
agree on: injunction against murder, cruelty, etc. That's the maximum
"enlightening" I can provide, and I am sorry I had to mention it at all.

As for your next message "HAPPY EASTER", I agree. And the Hungarian
greeting with HUSVET may in principle include Passover as well.

                        Greetings to all people of good will (whatever
                                the definition of "good" is...)

                                        Robert )
> =======================================================
> Felado : 
> Temakor: Happy Easter ! ( 10 sor )
> Idopont: Fri Apr 14 16:16:35 EDT 1995 HUNGARY #281
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> ,  ,   ..           ,                          , ,
> Kellemes Husveti Unnepeket kivanok a csoport minden olvasojanak!
>
> I wish the readers of this group a very Happy Easter!

* 16:00 PM 04/22/95                     FOLK EXHIBITION
****************************************
 4pm - 6pm
 Reformatus Egyhaz nagyterme
 ( The Grand Hall of the Reformed Church)
 229 East 82nd Street
 New York, NY

* 18:00 PM 04/22/95                     RECEPTION AND EXHIBITION
****************************************
 6pm - 7pm
 A Kulfoldi Magyar Cserkeszszovetseg 50 eves jubileuma
 50th anniversary of the Foreign Hungarian Boyscouts
 Magyar Haz
( Hungarian House )
 213 East 82nd Street
 New York, NY

* 19:00 PM 04/22/95                     COMMEMORATION
****************************************
 7pm - 7:30pm
 A Kulfoldi Magyar Cserkeszszovetseg 50 eves jubileuma
 50th anniversary of the Foreign Hungarian Boyscouts
 Magyar Haz nagyterme
 ( Hungarian House, Grand Hall )
 213 East 82nd Street
 New York, NY

* 19:30 PM 04/22/95                     DINNER
****************************************
 A Kulfoldi Magyar Cserkeszszovetseg 50 eves jubileuma
 50th anniversary of the Foreign Hungarian Boyscouts
 Magyar Haz
( Hungarian House )
 213 East 82nd Street
 New York, NY



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I have stumbled upon your request concerning the translation of
illegible handwriting by some of your responders. I believe I can be of
some assistance. The major stumbling block might be my Mac.I have always
used Macs and enjoy them. I am also a pensioner in the U.S., which is
how my curiosity was piqued by your article. If I can be of help, let me
know.

On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Susannah Marits wrote:

> Hi! How can I get to this WWW through E-mail
> Thanlsz

Susan,
sorry but it does not work with email - unless I send you the
information you need ( which I would be glad, if you tell me what you are
interested in ). To get to my WWW page, you have to use some sort of a
WWW "navigating" program - lynx, netscape, Mosaic etc.
Please, check with your system administrator whether  WWW services are
available for you or not.
Take care,
Gotthard

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