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1 Re: Maly Gyres (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: seek assistant/translator in Budapest (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Maly Gyres (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Keyser Soze (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
6 Kondorfa (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
7 Appeal to the Hungarian-Canadians! (mind)  175 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Maly Gyres (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: In search of the Mag(y)ar (?) tribe. (mind)  52 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: 1880s map of Hungary (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Maly Gyres (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Dear Marianne,
> I don't have a detailed 1880 map of Greater Hungary, but I have a 1910
> Hungarian census. The problem here is that the place names are given in
> Hungarian and therefore I had to find a place which resembled to Maly Gyres
> in Hungarian. Maly means "Kis," that is, "Small," in Hungarian.
> I did find a place name very similar to Maly Gyres--Kisge'res, in
> Zemple'n/Zemplin (Slovaks! correct spelling?) County. The only problem with
> it that in 1910 it was inhabited by Hungarians, not Slovaks.
> Perhaps our Slovak friends could help.
> Eva Balogh

Yes, Eva made a good guess.  The Slovak encyclopedia of towns and
villages lists Maly Gyres as the 1927 name, though it is now Maly Hores,
and its name in 1403 was listed as Kysgeres, though in the first known
reference it was Gures, then in 1254 Garus.  It is in Zemplin province, and
apparently Trebisov county. mainly rural with a stone quarry, a
(formerly) collective farm, and vineyards, but many of the residents work in
the railroad complex at Cierna nad Tisou (border with Ukraine).  Nearby
are wetlands and swamps along the Tisa river, which are partly state
"natural reservations" for endangered waterfowl and turtles.

It has a "reformed" church built in 1795, which would suggest Magyar inhabitant
more than Slovaks, though without such corroboratio the 1910 census is
well known as undependable.  In 1970 it had only 1440 people, and it's not
on my 1850 map of Hungary.

Norma Rudinsky

+ - Re: daughter names and millenium names (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Any favorites or non-faves among these?

Well one of my favorites is my daughter's name:

Marishka Rose.     (sorry guys, she is happily married)

As it is spelled the sound is close to the actual one, at least for the
first name.

Also a few years ago there was a two volume book published of
correspondance between wives, girlfriends, lovers and their male
equivalents thru the ages in Hungary. I have the tomes, but all my books
are still in boxes due to recent moving. If I manage to dig them out in
time, I will list the names from there.

Some that you have listed are not directly Hungarian, as an example the
Habsburg wife Zita, Maria Theresia, etc. It is also important to remember
that many of the royal wives came from other countries for political

Just a few from memory:

Ilona (Zrinyi)

Erzsebet (Szilagyi)


PS If you are searching for a millenial name there is always Milly.
+ - Re: seek assistant/translator in Budapest (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

A good translator earns at least $10 per hour in Budapest.
+ - Re: Maly Gyres (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kis-Geres of Zemplen county was already a Hungarian village at the beginning
of the 19th c. In the 1830s it had a populatin of 1072 Calvinists, three
Roman Catholics and six Jews.It is close to Kiralyhelmec (half a mile).
Peter I. Hidas, Mntreal
+ - Re: Keyser Soze (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
(BUhlemann) writes:

>the Keyser Soze in the movie was Turkish; TRy posting to that group.
>John Uhlemann

No, he wasn't Turkish. I saw the movie. Verbal's story about Keyser Soze,
which is shown as a dream sequence-like flashback, supposedly takes place
in Turkey, but he specifically notes that Soze is Hungarian. The survivor
picked up out of the bay after the ship explodes (the guy in the hospital
bed that the FBI agent rushes to question) is very clearly speaking

The thing about a Hungarian criminal mastermind operating in Turkey is one
of the subtle clues the movie's director gives you that Verbal's tale
isn't quite all it's cracked up to be. Those of us who know anything about
Hungary would have known that something wasn't right about Verbal's story
of Soze's rise to fame. After all, how likely is it that a Hungarian gang
would wind up starting the equivalent of the Gallo War in Istanbul? I sat
bolt upright in the seat at that point in the movie and whispered to my
wife that Verbal was either making all of this up or the screenwriter
needed to take a refresher course on geography. The screenwriter's only
mistake was assuming his American audience would pick up on the
unlikelihood of Soze's Turkish adventure. It was too subtle for an
American audience, just like the detail that Soze's lawyer/henchman
Kobayashi was South Asian (Pakistani or Indian) when Kobayashi is a
Japanese surname. Many of my countrymen would be hard placed to identify
where Mexico or Canada is on a globe, much less Hungary, Turkey or Japan.
Sam Stowe
+ - Kondorfa (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I returned to my favorite 1910 census and found Kondorfa (not Kundorfa) in
Vas County, Szentgotthardi jaras. In 1910 Kondorfa's population was 1,284,
all civilians and all Hungarian speaking. The population's religion was
overwhelming Catholic. Only eighty people were listed as belonging to the
Hungarian Reformed, fourteen as to the Lutheran, and five to the Jewish
denomination. Only a small percentage of the village's population was not

The name "Horvath" is quite common in Hungary, and I very much doubt that
relatively new Croation immigrants had anything to do with Kondorfa.
Otherwise, even as late as 1910, there would have been some people listed as
Croatian-speaking in the census. Those eighteenth-century Croats indeed
settled in what is called Burgenland today. I myself visited a village in the
Burgenland where most of the people I talked to spoke German as a second
language. There were enough Croats in this area even as late as 1918 that
Benes and Masaryk suggested a so-called Slavic corridor which would have
separated Austria from Hungary. That strip of land would have been divided
between Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Luckily that particular brainstorm of
Benes did not find converts in Paris.

Eva Balogh
+ - Appeal to the Hungarian-Canadians! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

Please help to establish a democratic and fair representation of the
estimated 190,0000 Canadians of Hungarian origin (1986 census) in the Word
Federation of Hungarians (MVSZ). You can help this cause a number of ways,
here are two examples:

1. Help the Organizing Committee of a new Canadian National Council (Kanadai
   Orszagos Tanacs) of the MVSZ, or KOT in short, to identify all the
   various Canadian - Hungarian organizations. This will help them
   with their membership drive.

2. Join the new Canadian National Council (KOT) of the MVSZ individually or
   through  your organization, by contacting the Organizing Committee.
   You can contact the Organizing Committee through me by E-mail, or by
                                  Telephone:        Fax:
   Csaba Gaal/ Kanadi Magyarsag:  (416) 233-3131    (416) 233-5958
   Agnes Somorjai/ Magyar Elet :  (416) 221-6195    (416) 221-6358

If you want to know a little more about the issues please read on,
I will try to summarize briefly the issues involved.

Presently there are only three representatives of the Hungarian-Canadians
(H-C) at the MVSZ organization:
   Mr. Istvan Walter, Member of the Presidium
   Mrs. Rozsa Matrai, Member of Western Regional Committee
   Mr.  Andras Timar, Member of Western Regional Committee
They were elected from the KMSZ (Kanadai Magyarok Szovetsege/Federation of
Hungarian-Canadians) nominees during the III. World Congress of Hungarian
in 1992.

Based on the size of the H-C population this is a inadequate
representation, and many non-political Hungarian-Canadians
consider it unfair, because they do not support the politics of the KMSZ.

In 1994 with the help of Erno Jakabffy, then the MVSZ Western Regions's
vice-president, a new organization was formed in Toronto with the aim of
providing a broader representation of H-Cs during the forthcoming 1996
Congress of the MVSZ. This organization is called Canadian Council (Kanadai
Szervezet).  Unfortunately this new organization failed in their effort
to build a broad-based organization. After one year they only managed to
recruit about 25 members representing a handful of organizations.

Therefore in November, 1995 Dr Bagi who is the MVSZ Western Region's current
vice-president, urged the H-C MVSZ leaders (Walter, Matrai, Timar) to try
to do better and reach out to every H-C "From See to See" to ensure that
during the June 1996 Congress of the MVSZ at Opusztaszer, there will be
enough H-C delegates to provide a strong H-C voice. They responded by
asking the above mentioned Organizing Committee to contact all H-C and
invite them to join a new non-political Canadian National Council (KOT).
If the campaign is successful this KOT will elect the delegates to the
1996 MVSZ Congress.

So dear Reader, if you are still with me, you can see that the Organizing
Committee need help. You can help by reviewing the attached list of
organizations, and send me your suggestions for additions or corrections.
The Organizing Committee will then contact these organizations and will
invite them to join the KOT. As you can see the need for leads are the
greatest for Manitoba, Saskatchewan and the Atlantic Provinces.

The organizations are listed by provinces in the following order:
religious, social, educational, media and others. In many cases I
translated the name of the organizations to English, so it may not be the
"Official English" name. I would appreciate any correction in this regard

BUEK, and I hope to hear from you soon,

Barna Bozoki

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 Calgary: St Elizabeth R.C. Church
 Calgary: The Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Calgary: Hungarian Cultural Society
 Calgary: Szechenyi Society
 Calgary: Hungarian Ethnic Lexicon Foundation
 Edmonton: St Emery R.C. Church
 Edmonton: Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Edmonton: The Corvin Historical Society
 Edmonton: Hungarian Cultural Society
 Edmonton: CKER Radio, Hungarian Program
 Coquitlam: Folk-Dance Assembly of Vancouver
 Kelowna: Okanaga Hungarian Club
 Nanaimo: Nanaimo Hungarian Cultural Society
 Osoyos: South Okanaga Hungarian Club
 Vancouver: Our Lady of Hungary R.C. Church
 Vancouver: Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Vancouver: Hungarian Musicians and Music Teachers' Association
 Vancouver: Central-European Minority Rights Monitor
 Vancouver: Hungarian Business and Professional Association
 Vancouver: Hungarian Cultural Society
 Vancouver: Hungarian Chamber of Commerce
 Vancouver: Honorary Hungarian Consulate
 Victoria: Hungarian Club
 Winnipeg: St Antony of Padua Church
 Brantford: Brantford & District Hungarian-Canadian Club
 Bright: Bretherens, Mennonite Farm
 Courtland: St George G.C. Church
 Courtland: St Ladislaus R.C. Church
 Delhi: Calvin Presbyterian Church
 Delhi: Delhi & Tobacco District Hungarian House
 Etobicoke: Hungarians - Weekly Newspaper
 Hamilton: St Stephen R.C. Church
 Hamilton: Hungarian Reformed Church
 Hamilton: St Michael's G.C. Church
 Hamilton: Hungarian Old Scouts - Matthias Hunyadi Workshop
 Hamilton: Hungarian House
 Hamilton: St Elizabeth Villa
 Hespeller: Hungarian Canadian Club
 London: St Stephen R.C. Church
 Nepean: Hungarian Community Centre
 Niagara Falls: Arpad Hall
 North York: St Elizabeth of Hungary Church
 North York: First Hungarian Babtist Church
 North York: Pax Romana Youth Group
 North York: Hungarian Life - Weekly Newspaper
 North York: Menora - Newspaper
 North York: Thalia Group of Arts
 Ottawa: Hungarian Parishioners' of the B. Sacrament R.C. Church
 Ottawa: Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Scarborough: The Canadian Maltese Charitable Service Trust
 TORONTO: The Nest Club of Toronto
 Toronto: Hungarian Full Gospel Church
 Toronto: Hungarian Reform Evangelical Church
 Toronto: Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Toronto: Hungarian United Church
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Engineers' Association
 Toronto: Hungarian Student Club - University of Toronto
 Toronto: Hungarian Human Rights Monitor
 Toronto: Hungarian Helicon Society
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Writers' Association
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Federation
 Toronto: Kodaly Assemble
 Toronto: Sandor Korosi Csoma Historical Society
 Toronto: Hungarian Fishermen's Association
 Toronto: Pensioners' Club
 Toronto: Hungarian Gardeners of Toronto
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Cultural Centre
 Toronto: Hungarian-speaking Jews' Association of Toronto
 Toronto: Hungarian Chair, University of Toronto
 Toronto: Research Institute
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Radio & TV Co.
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Community Services
 Toronto: Hungarian Canadian Chamber of Commerce
 Toronto: Rakoczi Villa
 Toronto: Hungarian Consulate General
 Toronto: United Hungarian Fund
 Welland: Our Lady of Hungary R.C. Church
 Welland: St John the Babtist G.C. Church
 Welland: Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Welland: Hungarian Hall
 Windsor: First Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Windsor: St Anthony' R.C. Hungarian Church
 Windsor: St Mary's Hungarian G.C. Church
 Windsor: Hungarian Club
 Montreal: Hungarian Presbyterian Church
 Montreal: Hungarian Jewish Memorial Synagogue
 Montreal: Hungarian Reform Church
 Montreal: Our Lady of Hungary Church
 Montreal: Hungarian Canadian Engineers' Association - Montreal
 Montreal: TV Channel 24 Montreal - Hungarian TV  Broadcast
 Montreal: Hungarian Canadian Chamber of Commerce
 Montreal: Foyer Hongrois

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+ - Re: Maly Gyres (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> It has a "reformed" church built in 1795, which would suggest Magyar
> more than Slovaks, though without such corroboratio the 1910 census is
> well known as undependable.  In 1970 it had only 1440 people, and it's not
        Yes, a Slovak birth certificate from this village from before 1918
is interesting. The parents' religion or ethnicity, and the availability
of a 'matching' priest in that village or nearby might have been a factor.
This "Small" Geres/Gyres/Hores was listed as having Hungarian as its
main lanugage over 200 years ago (1773) and 98% of its inhabitants
register Hungarian ethnicity today. It's 71% Calvinist. It's about
15% "Smaller" today than in 1970.


+ - Re: In search of the Mag(y)ar (?) tribe. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

John Czifra ) wrote:


: to an earlier article before the expedition left for Tibet.
: This article
: appeared in Issue 142, vol.3, Nov. 30-Dec.6, and was wrtitten by Todd Heth.


: In addition to their recent three-week field study of the Magar people,
: the group also made contacts with specialists in the culture, language
: and anthropology of Magars.
: They traveled to an area called the Rolpa district of Nepal, which is
: essentially sealed off from civilization by rugged terrain.
: The Magar people are
: isolated from the rest of Nepal by geographical, cultural and political
: differences.
wow! sounds like Shangrila from "Lost Horizon"

<snip agglutinative linguistic stuff>

: And in a region where all the surrounding cultures eat rice,
: the Magars grow corn, as did the Hungarians.
a stopper! me thinks "maze" (i.e. corn) commeth from New World post 1500AD


: He suggested researchers could perform DNA testing in the future to
: establish if there is any genetic connection,
save time! are Magars DNA related to Koreans?


quick ling things: 1. Check out color categories (is there equiv to voros?)
                   2. Are there loan words from adjacent cultures?
                   3. Do Magars write? If not check out oral histories.
quick soc  things: 1. What is their kinship structure? (incl terms)
                   2. Do they marry out?
                   3. What is their exchange practices? (how did they get
                      corn? Do they produce & swap? With whom?)
quick anth things: 1. Have previous studies been done on them (HARF)?
                   2. Seasonal Nomads and Sedintary Farming are aspects
                      that need further explanans (like Slash/Burn and
                      Village Builders would)... are these coexistent?

reminds me of So Japan, So American, No Europe "lost tribe" stories
of Magyar links of the past. (Keep in mind "Hungarian" was NEVER a tribe)

+ - Re: 1880s map of Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Marianne     writes:

> I'm doing some family research and found that my grandmother was born in

> Gyres in 1886.  Can't seem to locate it.  We think it was in northern

> possibly part of Slovakia because her birth certificate is written in

> Slovakian.  Does anyone know where I could get an 1880s map of Hungary?

> Please email response to me at 

> Thank you!

> Marianne

It is unlikely that this community was in Hungary in 1880. You may want to
try areas outside Hungary, but in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy.
Was the birthplace written with "y" on the original text or is it an
Anglocized source?