Poetician1 wrote:
> 
> In article >,
>  says...

> I don't believe I'm reading this from you. Have you become a closet liberal?


I am not a liberal. I just fell that all nations have equal rights, and 
when one was is in distress it needs attention. I just wonder why the 
Romas themselves do not participate in the discussion?

A. Albu

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Mindenkitol bocsanatot kerunk, hogy nem egeszen ide illo temaval zavarjuk a
lista olvasoit. Mentsegunkre szolgaljon, hogy itt erhetjuk el a legtobb magyar
ill.magyar erdeklodesu olvasot.
Szeretnenk az ohazatol - es a legozelebbi magyar bolttol - tavol eloknek
felajanlani, hogy ellatjuk oket magyar aruval, amelyet megrendelesuk alapjan
postai csomagban kuldenenk el cimukre.
Kerjuk tekintsek ezt az elso jelentkezesunket tajekozodasnak, a reszletek
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E-mailen erkezo eszreveteleiket, tanacsaikat, kritikajukat tisztelettel varjak
Budapesten

Tibor es Gabor

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the most of hungarians.
We will offer those who live far from Hungary - and the next hungarian store -
to deliver hungarian goods in packages shiped by post.
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Lately, one sees the phenomenon of a type of  zealot threatening the rest 
of us" sinners" with the "wrath of God"on the pages of Hungary related 
news groups too. These 'beacons of truth' claim  to have a direct hot-line 
to the source. They are the good! They live exemplary lives, just ask their
 spouses, children! -(Or the IRS ?) Their interpretation of the Bible is the" o
nly truth"-
So they tell us. They know! The rest of us are in the dark! We must be enlighte
ned,
even if it harmful to us. It is for our own good!

Some of the responses conveyed pithy for these individuals. - on reflection thi
s is 
deserved. There is a narrow mind, maybe a despondent childhood, history of 
mental and \ or physical abuse and so on.

One has to be forgiving but careful. According to a line of thought, these indi
viduals,
consciously or subconsciously are motivated by the will to power. 

If their world, the utopia of the "good and the just" would arrive, they would 
be 
quite happily the functionaries of this new world with the appropriate power.
They would ensure that the rest of us, by coercion if necessary,  live in
 accordance with their decrees. Of course, they would have extra privileges.
 After all, the rules are for masses and since they" know better" and can not b
e
 corrupted, they can have some liberties.

Those who would dare to think, question and would desire to worship  an all 
loving God, as most  of us do, or none at all,  would be punished, re-educated
 or worse.

Sounds familiar? If one is a student of history, then the answer is , yes.

The fanatic with the ambition for power is part of the human condition. They co
me 
 wearing the mantle of idealogy most fitting for the vulnerabilities of the tim
e.  
Some are better educated and subtle, some are just hungry as reflected in 
their wild eyes and intolerant rumblings- The hidden agenda is the same : Power
 for
 themselves, subjugation for the rest.  

When these self styled, modern day ‘Isten ostorai" pop out of the wood work
they should have every right to advocate their views as long as we maintain the
 right
to reject them.  The electrons wasted  by the Netizens will not object and as l
ong as 
is O.K. with the SYSOP..... well, who cares ?    


                                      Mark O.F.

 wrote:
> 
> G'day all,
> 
> Could anyone knowing the URL for the Hungarian Internet Radio, please
> post it here or Email to me in Australia.

There is no Hungarian Internet Radio, but you can listen to both the
Petofi and Kossuth Radio by using RealAudio. You can connect to
Petofi using http://www.petofi.enet.hu/reala.html.

Good luck.

Peter Aradi

 (Howard Olson) wrote:

>todor > wrote:

>>Antonio wrote:
>>> 
>>> In > "Mr. Wizard" .
com> writes:
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >Antonio wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> MY FRIENDS, IN ONLY A SHORT WHILE NOW A NEW SOVIET UNION WILL BE CREATED
.
>>> >> ALL THE PUNK SATELLITE STATES THAT THOUGHT THEY COULD "GO IT ALONE" WILL
>>> >> BE RE-ABSORBED, AND THE RED BANNER OF REVOLUTION WILL FLY HIGH AGAIN.
>>> >>
>>> >> THE HAMMER AND SICKLE WILL AGAIN REIGN OVER ALL THE REPUBLICS, STATUES O
F
>>> >> LENIN WILL BE RE-ERECTED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE GREAT DOMAIN OF THE N
EW
>>> >> UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS AND THE NEW WARSAW PACT.
>>> >>
>>> >> GENNADY ZYUGANOV WILL RULE A NEW POLITBURO.  ALL OVER THE EARTH, PEOPLE 
WILL
>>> >> AGAIN TREMBLE WHEN THE MISSILES, TANKS, AND TROOPS ARE MARCHED THROUGH R
ED
>>> >> SQUARE.
>>> >>
>>> >> ONCE AGAIN, THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD WILL UNITE -- THEY HAVE NOTHING TO 
LOSE
>>> >> BUT THEIR CHAINS!!!
>>> >>
>>> >> LONG LIVE THE NEW SOVIET UNION!       NYET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!   H Olson
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Begone, ya varmint!
>>> >
>>> >Leave us legitimate human beings alone.
>>> >
>>> 
>>> May your significant other pull a full Bobbitt on you (that is if she can l
ocate it!)


>>Guess Yeltsin beat Zhukov.
Damn, this post is still going on?  Well, another great thing is still
going on, too:  Humdrum fanzine.  And you can get yours by sending 2
stamps to:

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Kedves Barataink!

Mindenkitol bocsanatot kerunk, hogy nem egeszen ide illo temaval zavarjuk a
lista olvasoit. Mentsegunkre szolgaljon, hogy itt erhetjuk el a legtobb magyar
ill.magyar erdeklodesu olvasot.
Szeretnenk az ohazatol - es a legozelebbi magyar bolttol - tavol eloknek
felajanlani, hogy ellatjuk oket magyar aruval, amelyet megrendelesuk alapjan
postai csomagban kuldenenk el cimukre.
Kerjuk tekintsek ezt az elso jelentkezesunket tajekozodasnak, a reszletek
kimunkalasa es website-unk epitese folyamatban.
E-mailen erkezo eszreveteleiket, tanacsaikat, kritikajukat tisztelettel varjak
Budapesten

Tibor es Gabor

Dear friends,
excuse us intruding the list, but this is the only knows way for us to reach
the most of hungarians.
We will offer those who live far from Hungary - and the next hungarian store -
to deliver hungarian goods in packages shiped by post.
Our website is under construction and so is the whole business.
Please mail your remarks, advices or critics to

Tibor and Gabor

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somoruan jelentem hogy tegnap 4. okt., Szathmary Lajos, vilag hires szakacs, 
kolto, iro, konyv gyujto"/kiado, rovid betegseg utan, 77. eveben Chicagoban 
elhunyt. temetes 10. okt. gyasz emlekezet 24. okt.

janos


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In article >,  says...
>
>Hello,
>
>I have found a document and would Love if someone would please help to
>translate the meaning of the headings for me.
>Would appreciate and and all help very much.
>
>
>Keresztsegi anyakonyv a Certificate of babtism
>
>Sorszam       Serial Number

>
>Napja a                         Day of
>szuletesnek  kerseztelesnek     birth, baptism 
>
>A keresztelendo                 Name of babtised
>neve
>
>neme                  Gender
>fi  no                male    female

>
>torvenyes             legitimate
>torvenytelen          illegitimate 
>
>ev                    year 
>nevuk es polgari allasuk a szuleknek  Parents' name and occupation
>
>lakhely, hazszam       domicile, house number
>
>nevuk es polgari allasuk a keresztszuloknek   name and occupation of 
                                               godparents
>
>kereszteio szemely neve    name of baptizer
>
>szrevetelek                Observations
>
>
>Thank you very much     You welcome.  Agnes


>Sincerely,
>Diane
>
>-- 
>Diane Weightman

>
>:-)

Anyone know if there is a Hungarian Olympic Comittee page or the sort
listing the Hungarian atheletes at Atlanta?
thanks in advance
cheers :T
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In article >, 
 says...
>
>Can anybody hel me ? I have to translathe this:
>
>" nevetse'ges + felha'bori'to' + ifeszto'', hogy ennyire hia'nyzol  "
>
>" nagyon hia'nyzik a grany(it's a cake) , a lasagne(it's a kind of 
pasta)
>meg azert te is.
>  negyon. e's mindenhogyan.
>
>Thanks a lot
>
>
It is ridiculous, outrageous and scary how I am missing you.  I am 
missing terribly (I don't know of any cake called grany).., lasagna ( in 
Eglish we also use the Italian name of it) and also you in every respect.

Agnes

ANSWER TO ISTVAN SZUCS:
October 5th, 1996
	A most distinguished Italian physicist Galileo Galilei in 1611 visited
Rome for the first time, where he was honorably received; but on his
return to Florence he became more and more involved in controversy,
which gradually took a theological turn. The monks preached against
him, and in 1616 he found himself again obliged to proceed to Rome,
where he is doubtfully said to have pledged himself to abstain from
promulgating his astronomical views. In 1623 Galileo
replied to an attack upon him in his Saggiatore, a masterpiece of
eloquence, which drew upon him the fury of the Jesuits. In 1632, with
the permission of the pope, he published a dialogue expounding the
Copernican system as against the Ptolemaic. 
	A congregation of cardinals, monks and mathematicians, all sworn
enemies of Galileo, examined his work, condemned it as HIGHLY
DANGEROUS (!) and summoned him before the tribunal of Inquisition.
The veteran philosopher was compelled to go to Rome early in 1633, and
was condemned to renounce upon his knees (!) the truths he had
maintained. At the moment when he arose, he exclaimed "E PUR SI
MUOVE!" /and yet it moves!/ Upon this he was sentenced to the dungeons
of the Inquisition for an indefinite time... - If it was  up to those
monks we would  still be in the 17th Century! Thanks to Galileo  we
now  know what the planets are doing around us!...
	What  fascinating story about the great scientist... and once again
here is your chance  to  tell me that I bring up irrelevant and
dangerous subjects! If you cannot comment on something than that  is
irrelevant to you?  Now, if you consider my opinions DANGEROUS - it
is your right  - but you are no better than the cardinals and monks of
the 17th Century who condemned scientists for  bringing up
controversial things they couldn't comment on therefore   considered
the ideas "dangerous" to their Church!  And you, because you cannot
refute  them, and for verification purposes you are unable to find the
sources of my quotations,  you label me someone who is doing
"UNFOUNDED SCAPEGOATING through propagating half truth lies and one
sided accounts of facts." - So, if you cannot prove or refute
something then that's an "unfounded lie"?  
	Your style is a perfect example how people of certain persuasion  do
not or simply cannot go beyond a certain door, and I understand this
too, for In the meantime I don't have to follow YOUR obligations! I
have learned enough about Judaism to know that you do have obligations
and limits.  You could not keep up with  discussions like these  even
if you wanted to, because you are obligated to adhere to certain
lines. In the future however, perhaps you should stay away from my
postings...
	Anyway, it was enlightening to exchange  ideas with you. All our
discussions  are posted  now and  the readers shall decide who is
emotional or incoherent. and who is right or who is wrong.
BEST WISHES
Judit Toth
http://www.infobahnos.com/~jtoth
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In article >,
Judith Toth > wrote:
| ANSWER TO ISTVAN SZUCS:
| October 5th, 1996
| 	A most distinguished Italian physicist Galileo Galilei in 1611 visited
| Rome for the first time, where he was honorably received;
but on his
[...] more irrelevancies erased.


| 	What  fascinating story about the great
| scientist... and nce again
| here is your chance  to  tell me that I bring up irrelevant and
| dangerous subjects! 

Nah... completely irrelevant to the relationship between
Zionists and Communists, but this was not dangerous.
If you cannot comment on something than that  is
| irrelevant to you?  

No.. I am just not interested in a wild goose change where
if you cannot defend your views you just start talking about
something different.

Now, if you consider my opinions DANGEROUS - it
| is your right  - but you are no better than the cardinals and monks of
| the 17th Century who condemned scientists for  bringing up
| controversial things they couldn't comment on therefore   considered
| the ideas "dangerous" to their Church!  

As you must realize my criteria of what is dangerous is
vastly different from theirs. What I did about what I
consider to be your dangerous scapegoating is quite
different as well. THis is why your example is irrelevant
and misleading. Once again you decided to resort to telling
stories to evoke feelings, instead of conducting a rational
debate. TOo bad.

And you, because you cannot
| refute  them, and for verification purposes you are unable to find the
| sources of my quotations,  you label me someone who is doing
| "UNFOUNDED SCAPEGOATING through propagating half truth lies and one
| sided accounts of facts."

Uhmm.. no.. that's not why I label your allegations
propagation of half truth lies and one sided accounts as
facts.In previous letters I have expressed what the one
sided accounts, and half truths were. If you care you can
read it.

 - So, if you cannot prove or refute
| something then that's an "unfounded lie"?  

No. See above.

| 	Your style is a perfect example how people of certain persuasion  do
| not or simply cannot go beyond a certain door, and I understand this
| too, for In the meantime I don't have to follow YOUR
obligations! 

My obligations were to keep to the topic and keep the
argument rational. This is the test of truth and this is the
only way I am willing to debate. If this is the persuasion
and door you are referring to then you are correct, I will
not cross this door. 

I
| have learned enough about Judaism to know that you do have obligations
| and limits.  You could not keep up with  discussions like these  even
| if you wanted to, because you are obligated to adhere to certain
| lines. 

What the heck are you talking about? I have assumed no
obligations, and I have not been asked to assume any
obligations that would prevent me to adhere to any lines, or
prevent me to keep to certain discussions. If any religion -
Judaism is decentralized - this is what you fail to
understand when you take opinion offered by one Jew and
assume that that is the opinion of all Jews. I myself am not
even religious by any stretch of the imagination.

In the future however, perhaps you should stay away from my
| postings...

Perhaps. You'll see soon enough ;)

| 	Anyway, it was enlightening to exchange  ideas with you. All our
| discussions  are posted  now and  the readers shall decide who is
| emotional or incoherent. and who is right or who is wrong.
Amen to that

Istvan

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