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At 05:53 AM 6/7/96 -0700, Eva Balogh wrote:

>        I have been marvelling the naivete of the contributors of FORUM. Not
>one person questioned the veracity of Mr. Nemenyi's statement. They all
>believed that in the United States on the basis of unconfirmed
>denounciations someone can be fired without due process within days. The
>FORUM is full of cries of indignation against the United States, against the
>Jews, against the liberals, against all those alien elements, who are, in an
>"un-Hungarian" way, denounce others.

I don't read the Hungarian language FORUM but you once mentioned that most
of the contributors to it live in the United States.  If they believe what
you say they believe then the only thing I can add is that they have a blind
faith in conspiracy theories.  And once they believe in a conspiracy there's
never a shortage of 'evidence'.

Joe Szalai

In article <v01530500addb592fecc5@[198.168.48.40]>,
 says...

>The events in Hungary in 1956 should be called a revolution because
>1. the revolutionaries in Budapest forced the formation of a new type of
>government which was no longer responsible to Moscow;
[snip]..
>3. the state of Hungary removed itself from the soviet orbit;
[snip]

Just to digress slightly from the Revolution vs Rebellion (or whatever)
discussion, I'm puzzled by these claims that Hungary was no longer
responsible to Moscow and removed from the Soviet orbit. Then why was
Hungary still a member of the Warsaw Pact and what were thousands of
Soviet troops still doing in Hungary, all until the recent break-up of
the USSR? Hungary may have had more say in her own internal affairs after
'56 (and, yes, increasingly so as time wore on) but isn't it going too
far to state categorically that 1 and 3 above were true soon after '56?
The '56 uprising (that's how it's often been called in the British media,
but please feel free to argue its validity) no doubt had far reaching
consequences for both Hungary and the whole Soviet bloc, as did many
other happenings elsewhere, but the effects of all these things were
subtle and only gradually accumulative...

Regards,

George

> The Hungarian
>coat of arms developed through medieval times when such symbols were a way
>of life.
> I still look upon the Hungarian coat of
>arms with its double cross (with or without crowns) as the symbol of our
>1,100-year statehood.

Thank you for your enlightening comments, Eva.

We are then, faced with an old dilemma.  On one hand, as a nation, we must
maintain some degree of historical integrity, or conservatism, if you will.
On the other hand, however, progress and renewal of a nation are essential
for its survival.  I am clearly of the mindset favouring more heavily the
side of renewal, which would, in my mind, favour at least rethinking the
coat-of-arms issue.  Hungary is not the same nation as it was in medieval
times, and conditions in which our nationhood exists have changed
drastically since then, favouring such renewal.  However, to maintain
cohesion we must maintain links to our common past, which was well
illustrated within your posting.  I'll have to do some more thinking on
this.

A symbol that unites us as a nation better than the coat-of-arms with
crown, is, perhaps, the star of Green Acres herself, Zsa Zsa Gabor.  I vote
that the forint should henceforth be emblazoned with the silhouette of Zsa
Zsa, and the centre of the Magyar flag be blessed with the sequin-wearing
policeman-slapping wonder that is Hungary's greatest export.  :-)


Sven Koppany
Confederate Faerie Wonderboy for Hire

-- Ruh-roh! --
-Astro the dog, after seeing Elroy in blue chiffon as "Elronda"

>Please, explain why after having said that, you continue to fill my Email
>with exactly that?

theological debate and institutional criticism are quite different, sweetie

>BTW - Where in heck do you gather those ridiculous "quotes" from, following
>each of your posts?

i get my quotes from one of two sources: a professional telepsychic whom i
met at the "free Zsa Zsa" protests a few years back or from divine
apparitions of Judy Garland. i guess you'll have to get out more, ma puce.

> how many last names *do* you possess?  Or do
>you change it at will?

nope... Sven's my first name (Szven magyarul) and Koppany's my last name.
on occasion i'll use my mother's maiden name which is Stjarnlof.  my
mother's from Sweden (semi-religious Finnish Orthodox Christian persuasion)
and my father's Hungarian (out and proud Jew).  Sven is a very common
Swedish name, and as far as Koppany, no one in my family has a clue where
that came from.  We don't believe ourselves descendants of Koppany, but
rather that that name was adopted in his honour a few hundred years back.
you see, sugarlump, following common trends has never been a strongpoint in
my family. what about you.. is your name real?


Sven Koppany
Confederate Faerie Wonderboy for Hire

-- Ruh-roh! --
-Astro the dog, after seeing Elroy in blue chiffon as "Elronda"

George wrote:
Just to digress slightly from the Revolution vs Rebellion (or whatever)
discussion, I'm puzzled by these claims that Hungary was no longer
responsible to Moscow and removed from the Soviet orbit. Then why was
Hungary still a member of the Warsaw Pact

...

Imre Nagy declared Hungary neutral and no longer member of the Warsaw Pact. He
also negotiated the withdrawal of the soviet troops.

P.I.Hidas

Friends,


I need a list of the Universities in Hungary that offer
Mechanical Engineering degrees.  It would be most helpful
if you can also supply me with their addresses and phone
or fax numbers, or e-mail addresses, or web nodes.

Please post to this group or send me an email to:

            


Many thanks


Ron




/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/
  Dr. Ronald A. Perez                       
  University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee         
  Mechanical Engineering Department         PHONE: (414)-229-6543
  Milwaukee, WI 53201                       FAX:   (414)-229-6958
/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/

In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:

>I don't read the Hungarian language FORUM but you once mentioned that
most
>of the contributors to it live in the United States.  If they believe
what
>you say they believe then the only thing I can add is that they have a
blind
>faith in conspiracy theories.  And once they believe in a conspiracy
there's
>never a shortage of 'evidence'.
>
>Joe Szalai

The CIA paid you to post this.
Sam Stowe

P.S. -- And I'll bet you're no stranger to that grassy knoll in Dealey
Plaza in Dallas, either.

At 11:34 AM 6/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>theological debate and institutional criticism are quite different, sweetie

Well, honeybun, I guess that this remains within the realm and eyes of the
beholder - seems like the same spuds to me! Only the sizes differ.
>
>i get my quotes from one of two sources: a professional telepsychic whom i
>met at the "free Zsa Zsa" protests a few years back or from divine
>apparitions of Judy Garland. i guess you'll have to get out more, ma puce.

Certo, certo, much more clear!  Thanks, Wonderboy!
>
>> how many last names *do* you possess?  Or do
>>you change it at will?
>
>We don't believe ourselves descendants of Koppany, but
>rather that that name was adopted in his honour a few hundred years back.

I suppose next, you'll be telling us that you are a re-incarnation of some
of Koppany's buds, pumpkin pie?

>you see, sugarlump, following common trends has never been a strongpoint in
>my family. what about you.. is your name real?

Actually, brownsugar, my real name is "Wicked Witch of the West".  But some
days ago, I ran into a faerie, who felt that a sweeter and more
condescending touch might be in order - as such, granted me the use of
Aniko.  As for Dunford, well, passion fruit pie, I inherited that one by
getting married - traditional ha?

Sure hope your questions are covered, bumblebee!
>
Aniko Dunford
.
>

>Well, honeybun, I guess that this remains within the realm and eyes of the
>beholder - seems like the same spuds to me! Only the sizes differ.

perhaps they just need some chives.

>I suppose next, you'll be telling us that you are a re-incarnation of some
>of Koppany's buds, pumpkin pie?

no, but i did see some of said reincarnates wearing faux pearl/blue sequin
dresses at Dollywood for the annual Silicon-Jamboree.  i've always admired
anyone who can run down a cobblestone street in 10 inch heels after a train
while reciting a monologue and still not get a severe run.  that's what
Pagan Magyars specialise in.

>Sure hope your questions are covered, bumblebee!

"pumpkin pie, brown sugar, bumblebee" ????
...mama told me yankees ain't got a clue :)

*smooches*



Sven Koppany
Confederate Faerie Wonderboy for Hire

-- Ruh-roh! --
-Astro the dog, after seeing Elroy in blue chiffon as "Elronda"

>>"This temple is just SCREAMING for drapes!!!"
>>-King David's boyfriend Jonathan's initial reaction to the bare-walled
>>Temple of Solomon.
>
>And once they got the drapes, was it well hung?  Hmm?

LOL!! :)  well i'm about fixin' to testify! :)

actually, according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the drapes were "hung" by
Bruce, the Temple Maid.  Bruce was eventually fired from King David's
service, however, for appearing before the King wearing last year's
double-knit poly-Esther tunic, accentuated by eye-shadow that was two
shades shy of the colour coordination of a Denver Broncos linebacker.
Bruce was replaced by Clarence, who was in Israel on vacation from Greece,
where he had worked for years as a cosmetologist under Plato (remember
Plato's quote: "know thy self, know thy skin tones).  Clarence saw how much
work the Temple needed, and so sacrificed the remainder of his years
securing the perfect floral motifs and track-torch lighting for the place.
The new pleasure to be found in the Temple inspired King David in his
multiple military victories, bringing Israel victory through good taste.
shalom.

Sven Koppany
Confederate Faerie Wonderboy for Hire

-- Ruh-roh! --
-Astro the dog, after seeing Elroy in blue chiffon as "Elronda"

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At 08:54 PM 6/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Well, honeybun, I guess that this remains within the realm and eyes of the
>>beholder - seems like the same spuds to me! Only the sizes differ.
>
>perhaps they just need some chives.
Oh, dear Wonderboy, sweetiepie! Has no one ever told you, that a sprinkling
of  IQ, has it all over a few sprigs of chives.... ?

>>I suppose next, you'll be telling us that you are a re-incarnation of some
>>of Koppany's buds, pumpkin pie?
>
>no, but i did see some of said reincarnates wearing faux pearl/blue sequin
>dresses at Dollywood for the annual Silicon-Jamboree.  i've always admired
>anyone who can run down a cobblestone street in 10 inch heels after a train
>while reciting a monologue and still not get a severe run.  that's what
>Pagan Magyars specialise in.
No sugarplum, you need to go back to your history books to get a tad more
enlightened about Pagan Magyars... although, on second thought, it does seem
like your mind has absorbed some minute things....btw .... you did look
smashing, if I may say so, in that faux pear/blue sequin ...  but the shoes,
dear boy... well, I just hate to tell you just did not match the 'mood' of
the rest of the outfit.... as for the monologue... you really don't want to
share it with all, do you?

>>Sure hope your questions are covered, bumblebee!
>
>"pumpkin pie, brown sugar, bumblebee" ????
>...mama told me yankees ain't got a clue :)
TTssst, ttstts, ttssttt... don't tell Mama you're slipping....(she'll be
disappointed for sure) passion fruit pie was burried in there too, you know?
As well, Mama would be so stressed to realize, that you're in the wrong
geographical location altogether, Wonderboy!  Does .ca give you enough of a
hint?
>
>*smooches*
Not on your life!.... yuck!

Wicked Witch of the West
oacabf (occassionally affectionately condescendingly allowed by faerie)
to be known as:
Aniko.

Ciao, Wonderboy!  10/4

>
>

 (DProphet) wrote:
>       I was recently in the Netherlands (ie Holland) and I met a Hungarian
>girl.  When I left she wrote me a small message in Hungarian.  I haven't got a
>clue what it means.  Does anyone out there know Hungarian and can translate it
>for me.  I can't make out all the characters so I can't write it here.  I can
>scan it in as a .GIF file and send it to you.  Please help!!!!
>
>Erik Anderson
>
>E-mail:  
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Eric;                                         6/8/96 Sat. 7:30 pm

I hope somebody already translated the note.
If not, I will be more than happy to do it for you.
Just send it by E-mail to me.

Regards,  Gabriella

>Oh, dear Wonderboy, sweetiepie! Has no one ever told you, that a sprinkling
>of  IQ, has it all over a few sprigs of chives.... ?

IQ??  i'm proud of you for coming forward and so openly talking about such
a personal shortcoming in yourself.  have faith, sister.. some day you'll
grow to formulate opinions that deserve my respect.

>you did look
>smashing, if I may say so, in that faux pear/blue sequin ...  but the shoes,
>dear boy... well, I just hate to tell you just did not match the 'mood' of
>the rest of the outfit....

were the crab-infested-ranky-old-naggin'-JCPenney-housewife-look my goal,
perhaps i would take your fashion advice

**yaawn** got better things to do



Sven Koppany
Confederate Faerie Wonderboy for Hire

-- Ruh-roh! --
-Astro the dog, after seeing Elroy in blue chiffon as "Elronda"

>magyar orszagba
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Aki nem tud ragzani, ne beszeljen magyaras! :-)
(vagy tanuljon meg)

J.Zsargo

Dear Sven Koppany,

as you were kind to let us know your ancestry, may I ask who is David Tomasko?

J.Zsargo

In article >,
 says...
>
>Imre Nagy declared Hungary neutral and no longer member of the Warsaw Pact.
>He also negotiated the withdrawal of the soviet troops.

I see what you mean (in the context of trying to justify Nagy's short-
lived *regime* in Budapest as the result of a *revolution*) although
many might perhaps argue that quite the opposite was actually achieved.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

George