||AAYH 12.1 (mind)
|| 29 sor
||Re: *** FORUM *** #1823 (mind)
|| 10 sor
||Gay rights in Romania: again "printre codasii Europei" (mind)
|| 143 sor
||Re: Slovakia & Sweden (mind)
|| 112 sor
||re. recognizing unfairness (mind)
|| 45 sor
||re. RE. re. an answer wo w. keeler but not only (mind)
|| 14 sor
||AAYH 12.2 (mind)
|| 34 sor
||Re: Slovakia & Sweden (mind)
|| 64 sor
|+ - ||AAYH 12.1 (mind)
AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF YOUNG HUNGARIANS
FIATAL MAGYAROK AMERIKAI EGYESULETE
12/13/95 CONVENTION UPDATE -- The New Brunswick Chapter Convention
Committee wishes to announce that writer, dissident, and former
member of the Hungarian parliament Miklos Haraszti will be the
keynote speaker and one of our honored guests at the 5th Annual
Convention of the American Association of Young Hungarians at
the Hyatt Hotel, New Brunswick, NJ on January 12-14.
Miklos Haraszti was one of the earliest and certainly among the
most vocal Hungarian opponent of Kadar's socialist regime. He
was expelled from Budapest University for "subversion" in the
early 1970s and then sentenced to prison for his book "Darabber;"
the sentence was subsequently suspended. He He was a founder of
the Democratic Opposition in 1976 and a council member of the
Network of Free Initiatives in 1987. He also participated in the
Hungarian Roundtable Talks that ended the Hungarian socialist period;
he was among the participants who refused to compromise with the
regime on the critical issue of separate presidential elections.
He became a member of parliament in 1990 with the Alliance of Free
Democrats (SZDSZ.) He chose not to run for reelection in 1994.
(New Brunswick Chapter National Convention Committee)
|+ - ||Re: *** FORUM *** #1823 (mind)
I am seeking out information on the Hungarian Uprising of
October-November, 1956 from virtually all aspects. However, I have
specific interests, such as the view of Uprising veterans and others
concerning the RFE broadcasts to Hungary between October 23 and November
4, 1956, since their contents continue to be controversial after all these
years. (Philip Skardon, 254 Schenck Avenue, Dayton,
OH 45409, USA Phone - (513) 294-8594 Fax - (513) 294-4485) I am
conducting research on the topic for the purpose of publishing in 1996,
the Uprising's 40th anniversary.
|+ - ||Gay rights in Romania: again "printre codasii Europei" (mind)
Mr. Wally Keeler wrote:
>>>>Under the current Romanian penis code, Article 200, paragraph 1
>>>>imposes a total ban on lesbian and gay relations with a prison
>>>>sentence of 1 to 5 years for any gay or lesbian sexual relationship.
>Mr. Dorin Taranul wrote:
>>>I agree, 1 to 5 years for homosexual activities is hard punishment indeed
>>To put homosexuals in jail, among other men/women, is a harsh punishment?
>>Are you kiding me, Mr.? It's like putting them in paradise - and at
>>taxpayers' expense in top of that! ;-)
>I don't know what fool's paradise you've been living in Apollunatic, but
>jail in any country, is an unpleasant experience. Even a gay man has the
>right to say no to the sexual advances of another man, just as much as a
>woman has a right to say no. If the NO is ignored, then rape occurs, and
>rape, regardless of gender, is a personal violation unlike any other kind.
>You, Apollunatic, have a very sick imagination of what homosexual behaviour
>is all about. Probably overdosed in biblical stories...
First of all, I _am_ in favor of homosexual rights. My answer to Mr.
Taranul was intended to be seen as IRONICAL: The irony - at least I
thought so - being that while the intention of jailing homosexuals was to
kind of keep the problem in check, prison reality contributes to exactly
the oposite outcome. The smiley ";-)" was put there to exactly underline
such ironicality. I deeply regret that it was misunderstood.
>Mr. Dorin Taranul wrote:
>>... yet, in all fairness, it is a much lighter sentence than the
>>one required by the Bible:
>> "If a man lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them
>> have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to
>> death; their blood shall be upon them." [Leviticus 20.13]
>>Just hope that the Allmighty will look down upon and sodomo-gomoraize you
>>for not following the 'righteous path' ad literam.
>The Allmighty would not stoop so low as to do what you suggest. What kind
>of "righteous back-alley" are you loitering in?
Once again, the intended message to our christian fundamentalists was:
"You better watch out guys - those not following the path or applying only
half measures - will be dealt with in a Sodoma and Gomora manner by their
'Boss', and can farewell-kiss thei hopes for 'Heaven'. So, c'mon guys, have
guts and 'deal' properly with 'The Problem'. 'The Boss' won't be long out
on vacation, and when he returns...".
>>So guys/gals enjoy the 1-5 years vacation and have sex each night, and
>>when that's not possible, touch yourself always bearing in mind the
>>chobby boxom of our Parinte Teoctist. He, he, he...
>This is what you imagine? When you close your eyes, these are the images
>that you see? And you laugh "He, he, he..." I think you are having a good
>time with this Apollunatic.
My real intention here was to create the most contemptual attitude
possible against the jurassic park attitudes of some of our fellow men. I
thought that there was nothing more scornfull than to ask the gay people
do into their 'punishment' exactly what it is seen a problem by
fundamentalists. In the Islamic Republic of Iran where not more then 10
men can travel standing on foot in a mass transportation vehicle because
of 'concerns' that they accidentally may come in touch with female
co-travelers and as such commit 350,000 punishable sins per day in the
capital city Teheran alone, I thought there is nothing more contemptfull
that can be done against the regime as to 'preach' men to load up a
bus/vagon as tight as they can. And given the hypocritical nature of the
Romanian Orthodox Church and coward opportunism of its leader, the
metropolit of Bucharest Mr. Teoctist, throughout Communist and
Neo-Communist times, I thought he deserved to be mentioned in the message
'in the right place'. My appologies that I was unable to make it come
>>>>As the old say/lozinca goes: citeste si da mai departe/ read and pass
>>By all means!
>>I'll leave this one to Wally. He is our expert in poematomazation
>Finally you got something right. Congratulations!!! Poeticizing is an
>exquisite form of exorcizing the hideous ideous righteous and lefteous of
>the biblical pur laine.
After trying to answer Mr. Taranul's posting in a polemic attitude that as
I can see now - probably because of my stupidity/inexperience/lack of
wit/etc. - didn't come quite through, I reached a point where he got me:
To the old Underground-Communist saying, that this time I tried to use to
spread Anti-Communist views, after formulating his witty answer he kind of
passed the buck over to me very neatly. I thought it was time to bring in
a more experienced 'fighter' then me in the field at this point, so I
challenged Mr. Wally to take up with him on that part. I knew that he will
do well on this task and give Mr. Taranul a memorable lesson in invectives.
>>of those hayseeds
>Dorin is not a hayseed. He is the post-nutritive disposal substance that
>passes through me, the asshole, as he so mono-eloquently put it a few
>months back. I am a sphincter-winker ;-). Dorin keeps his poetic abilities
>in reserve, like the cautious who salt away all their money in the bank
>where it earns interest without publicity.
I can't agree more than that with you. Although it didn't come out as I
innitially intended, and wasn't dealing with the by me targeted part - Mr.
Taranul's clever 'By all means!' answer - I knew that I could count on you
in these matters.
>>that do not follow ad literam the inquiz-administration of strict biblical
>I bet you like it strict don't you Apollunatic? Tell us how strict you are
>with your women. C'mon.
>>Just hope he will show some mercyfulness towards your soul.
>Probably more mercifulness than I'll show towards your hole.
>Wally Keeler Poetry
>Creative Intelligence Agency is
>Peoples Republic of Poetry Poetency
I can just hope that my above writen clarifications will put my message
back on the track I intended to, and back from the unfortunate outcome it
took because of my weird form of 'humour'. I'm very sory that the
polemical/ironical/scornfull nature of my answer somehow did not come
through and didn't catch no ones eyes ending up hurting the very people I
innitially intended to speak for.
You all have hereby my sincere appologies.
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|+ - ||Re: Slovakia & Sweden (mind)
(Per-Arne Sandegren) wrote:
> In article >, says...
> >And back to original thema: certainly there are not one million
> >Finnish speaking in Sweden today, though as many might have some
> >Finnish roots. But for sure there are 300 000 to half a million
> >and at least half of these people need to have education by their
> >own language.
> This theme is very boring and I am sick of it and some of you finns
> incapacity to spot the facts against your propaganda.
No reason to be provocated and use extreme expressions.
> Still, let me burp
> them up for you in a few points just to remind you.
> (1) Half (150.000) need language education? Be serious. You dont educate
> grown-ups in native tounge. They pick it up from their parents when they
> grow up.
You are absolutely wrong. It is mostly important to get your
education by your *native* language. It is good to study more
languages, also Swedish, but nothing can beat the language by
which you learned to think.
> Opportunities to learn Swedish are given to all immigrants.
> (2) Many finns in Sweden are from the swedish parts of Finland with
> swedish as their first language (give those parts back if they dont suit
> you). They have not that much interest in knowing finnish.
I didn't speak about Swedish speaking Finns. Besides "many" is
> (3) The finns that immigrated came scattered through the last four decades
> and believe it or not the vast majority arent just able to, but also
> willing to assimilate.
Willing to assimilate. Have you some facts?
> Most finns have done so successfully and are happy
> with it! I know several former finns whose only drawback is that they keep
> supporting Finland in ice-hockey instead of Tre Kronor :-). Be proud of
> that, sincerely.
Swedish speaking Finns are also proud that they are not Swedes, but
*Finnish* Swedes. Still they are not willing to switch their language
to Finnish. What's the big difference with Finns in Sweden?
> (4) If youre serious in making the finnish immigrants in Sweden not
> becoming second-class citizens
This was not my point. And that't not even probably, the other way
> you should appreciate their efforts in
> learning swedish flawlessly.
I wasn't against learning Swedish in Sweden.
> (5) And for the rest of finns in Sweden there are AMPLE POSSIBILITIES in
> any school to have finnish as "hemspr}k". Although the possibilities when
> it comes to learning swahili has been reduced I doubt i concerns finnish -
> being such a large immigrant group.
Perhaps you should also inform the Finnish president and minister
of education about this. They don't seem to know...
> And lastly, dont forget. You and our finnish immigrant comes from the
> paradise of bi-linguality.
Yeah.. I know. I think that this is indeed the hardest piece to accept.
Sweden has for a long time played a role of liberal country, but in
this one cause a surprizing chauvinism steps on scene. I've to
say, that I've been very disappointed even Ingvar Carlssons, the
prime minister, comments. If nobody, then I.C., I've always estimated
him as an honest fellow. In case of Finnish/Swedish Finland is
a giant step closer the paradise than Sweden. What comes commonly
to bi-linguality, I know that Sweden has long traditions in this
as there also lives more ethnic groups than in Finland. But basically,
also in Finland you have possibility to learn your mother-tonguage
if there are enough speakers (I remember the minimum is only five).
> >I don't understand what's problem with this if not
> >a Swedish chauvinism.
> You dont like your own legislation on bi-linguality but still you want it
> implemented in a totally different country as multi-linguality legislation
No. I just wanted to use Finland as a mirror for Sweden.
If there's something I don't very much like in Finnish system, is
the *necessity* to study Swedish, even if you live on countryside
far in Finnish Carelia and never need Swedish in your life.
I've never suggested, that every child in Lund or Helsingor, should
study Finnish language some seven years. That would the Finnish system
embedded in Sweden. That tells something about the position of
Swedish language in Finland.
> Its very odd that the same persons showing such a concern about finns in
> Sweden so often doesnt care at all about the finn-swedes. And thats in
> their own country. Very fishy.
What is "fishy" is to generalize people's opinions. Do you mean
me, somebody else or what? If you point me then I like to know more
how I don't care and about who? If you don't mean me, then your
comment was in wrong place.
|+ - ||re. recognizing unfairness (mind)
(Gabor Barsai) wrote:
>Why should they have developed an alphabet? The Zog people
>communicated with each other in unintelligable grunts and moans.
aah, i see......communication through copulation.....which also
explained their fecundity.....happy people, these zog-ians......
>Hence, nobody understood them on Earth. They were civilized by the
>advancing Romans, who came from South of the Danube. Hence, some of
>the "locals" took up a Latin based language, and the Latin alphabet.
you know, they just wanted to impress the roman chicks......
>Since THESE Zogs were quite intelligent, they took up Latin in >a
matter of days.
isn't it amazing how far one would reach in its human (sorry, i mean
zog-ian) potential just to get those roman babes?
>The one's that weren't civilized were assimilated by the Magyars,
>advancing from the East.
no big loss - they were the nerdy ones anyway....you know, those who
never get the chicks......like.....nature's way of selecting the most
able specimens and get rid of the most useless ones......
>THESE Zogs were not so intelligent, and continued to "speak" to >each
other in grunts,
especially during those monthly circle_jerks rituals.....what a sorry
>thus the Slovak saying "Talking like a Magyar" ie. to talk nonsense.
what do the slovaks know about anything, anyway?
>I hope this cleared up the whole concept. ;-O
cleared up?......i thought it was common knowledge......gee, some
people are really dense around here.....
-cristian (of true zog-ian and roman blood)
|+ - ||re. RE. re. an answer wo w. keeler but not only (mind)
>"Dr Alex M Farkas (Staff)" > wrote:
>I'm an Australian born Hungarian, but consider myself Hungarian and I
>am proud of it, and as long as any Hungarians are alive,
>there will never be peace between the two countries.
you may consider yourself proud of being hungarian, but i doubt that
most of your compatriots are proud of being associated with you. you
belong in a cave, naked except for a piece of animal skin covering
your shriveled reproductive organs, with a stick firmly entrenched in
your closed fist, and a guttural, monosyllabic growl emanating from
one of your frontal orifices.
|+ - ||AAYH 12.2 (mind)
AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF YOUNG HUNGARIANS
FIATAL MAGYAROK AMERIKAI EGYESULETE
SUBJECT: New Brunswick Chapter Atlantic City Trip
FROM: Robert "send checks" Kovacs
DATE: Fri Dec 15 18:27:30 EST 1995
On Saturday, December 9, 1996 two busses hired by the NB Chapter
of the AAYH carried 70+ delighted members of the Hungarian Community
to the Trump Plaza Casino in Atlantic City. The event was a fundraiser
to help support the 5th Annual National Convention of the American
Association of Young Hungarians at the Hyatt Hotel, New Brunswick, NJ
on January 12-14.
The party departed from the Hungarian American Athletic Club (HAAC)
in beautiful downtown New Brunswick. Many HAAC members went on the
excursion. As a matter of fact much of the trip's success is due
to the tireless and selfless efforts of the well known HAAC Diva
Ms. Maria Sarkozi, who encouraged many of the regions senior
Hungarians to take advantage of the package. Because of that,
the trip was also successful in bringing Hungarians of various
Everyone was said to have a good time. It was even rumored that my
landlord won a big jackpot. (Now he can get us a new hot water heater).
The total income from the event is in the neighborhood of $1000.00.
We're still waiting for an exact figure from Joey "boom-boom" Pavlics
our shady accountant.
|+ - ||Re: Slovakia & Sweden (mind)
In article >, says...
>And back to original thema: certainly there are not one million
>Finnish speaking in Sweden today, though as many might have some
>Finnish roots. But for sure there are 300 000 to half a million
>and at least half of these people need to have education by their
This theme is very boring and I am sick of it and some of you finns
incapacity to spot the facts against your propaganda. Still, let me burp
them up for you in a few points just to remind you.
(1) Half (150.000) need language education? Be serious. You dont educate
grown-ups in native tounge. They pick it up from their parents when they
grow up. Opportunities to learn Swedish are given to all immigrants.
(2) Many finns in Sweden are from the swedish parts of Finland with
swedish as their first language (give those parts back if they dont suit
you). They have not that much interest in knowing finnish.
(3) The finns that immigrated came scattered through the last four decades
and believe it or not the vast majority arent just able to, but also
willing to assimilate. Most finns have done so successfully and are happy
with it! I know several former finns whose only drawback is that they keep
supporting Finland in ice-hockey instead of Tre Kronor :-). Be proud of
(4) If youre serious in making the finnish immigrants in Sweden not
becoming second-class citizens you should appreciate their efforts in
learning swedish flawlessly. And you people arent exactly helping when
calling returners "hurri". A negative shit-word you wood-finns invented.
Nobody wants reservations with 3:rd class people.
(5) And for the rest of finns in Sweden there are AMPLE POSSIBILITIES in
any school to have finnish as "hemsprĺk". Although the possibilities when
it comes to learning swahili has been reduced I doubt i concerns finnish -
being such a large immigrant group.
And lastly, dont forget. You and our finnish immigrant comes from the
paradise of bi-linguality. I can understand finns that arent very
interested in learning swedish as Im totally uninterested in finnish. But
on the other hand, most finns (finn-finns) arent able to speak swedish
anyway. So whats the problem since youre not learning it anyway?
>I don't understand what's problem with this if not
>a Swedish chauvinism.
You dont like your own legislation on bi-linguality but still you want it
implemented in a totally different country as multi-linguality legislation
then? I think that Finland is fully capable of handling their linguistic
issues, as Sweden can handle ours.
Its very odd that the same persons showing such a concern about finns in
Sweden so often doesnt care at all about the finn-swedes. And thats in
their own country. Very fishy.
Per-Arne Sandegren | "World war III can be averted by adherence
| to a strictly enforced dress code"
Stockholm | (text only)