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+ - | Minority Rights (2) (mind) |
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Re: Minority Rights in Western Europe (2)
The example of Belgium is an excellent paradigm of how a multi-ethnic
state can create an environment where different groups can coexist and
develop.
Belgium unites Walloons, Flemish and a smaller German group.
Geographically it is situated at the juncture of the Latin and Germanic
language regions: the French, German and Dutch. Belgium is subdivided into
three communities, based on language: Flemish, the French and a
German-speaking Community.
This constitutional monarchy was first established in the form of a
decentralized state with the stablishment of provinces and communes
in 1831. The reform of 1921 introduced linguistic equality. With the
revisions of 1980 and 1988, Article 4 of the Constitution acknowledges
four linguistic regions and communities which are empowered with
autonomy encompassing exclusive responsibility for education as
specified in Article 24. Interestingly enough, by Section 3 of Article 4,
the limits of the four linguistic regions can only be changed or modified
by a law adopted by majority vote in each House, on the condition that
the majority of the members of each group are gathered together and from
the moment that the total of affirmative votes given by the two
linguistic groups is equal to at least two thirds of the votes cast.
A special feature of the Belgian approach to minority rights protection
is the alarm-bell procedure of Article 54 which is designed to protect
the interest of French-speaking minorities in federal legislation. Article
99 provides for a language mix of the ministers.
A basic ingredient of the enlightened West European approach is
tolerance and a recognition that assimilationist policies are
incompatible with democratic values. It is no idle speculation to say
that the adoption of the Belgian approach to ethnic relations in rump
Yugoslavia, Slovakia or Romania, not to mention other newly established
countries in East-Central Europe, could defuse ethnic tensions and
surely would ensure a better life for both minority and majority
populations.
CSABA K ZOLTANI
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+ - | Re: A tidbit on equality between the sexes (mind) |
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On Sat, 3 Feb 1996, Eva S. Balogh wrote:
> I just heard on Public Radio: in the United States men spent 11
> minutes a day doing housework!
>
> Eva S. Balogh
> e-mail:
>
Wow, then i am doing way above that...maybe I should slack off and get
down to the average male....NOT! The curious thing about that is how
housework is defined. The results do not surprise me, but in the same way
no one thinks of domestic labor, what are gardening and painting, mowing,
etc.?
The question is not to diminish the role of domestic labor but I ask what
is the boundary. I mean, let's be honest, only recently does my father do
a great deal of laundry, or sweeping. But then my mother didn't lay out
the 100 ft by 75ft garden either. Now they (my folks) do both, much more
equally. Food for thought.
Darren
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+ - | Re: Purely Corny (mind) |
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Janos from ANDbooks wrote:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jozsi- stay in focus! Jancsi has good points on PC vs Elitist Terrorism via
linguistic social jargon... likewise,
Jancsika- stay on beam - Jozska is trying to intellectualize his desire for a
better world thru inapropriate demunative ridicule sans rational thought.
me? i don't give a damn & don't wanna bust up your dance/stampede, just
pointing out something called "ad-hononym" disparity of your arguments...
serious Janos :| <---- not a smiley
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hali,
I haven't able to receive any e-mail from the outside for a couple days, due to
a glitch in Worldcom services. If anyone (even Joe Szalai) has the reply Joe
Szalai made to my Political Correctness- 90210 I'd be very appreciative. I hate
it when somebody cuts in on perfectly good csardas.
Kosszi,
Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
PS: Hey, Janos!! Joe doesn't like Jozsi, unless your his mother, father, or
other relative otherwise you'll be pulled into our csardas. We could turn this
into a lambada. Music maestro........
Advice giving Jancsi ;-) <------- wink with smiley feature activated
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+ - | Re: Inet access in Budapest? (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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Try the following address:
Pa'sztor Miklo's | E-mail:
MTA SZTAKI/ASZI Budapest
1132 Victor H. u. 18-22 | Tel: (36)-(1)-149-75-32
Institute for Computation and Automation,
Hungarian Academy of Sciences
Peter I. Hidas, Monreal
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+ - | Re: To Joe about PC. (mind) |
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In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:
>Sam, I'm worried about your infatuation with Pat Buchanan. You must know
by
>now that far right-wing demi-gods thrive on uncritical adoration. But
if
>you're that way, why not support Forbes. After all, the American dream
is
>about equality. There's no reason why the president of General Motors
and a
>school crossing guard in Raleigh shouldn't pay the same percentage of
tax.
>Fair is fair. Just don't expect both to pay the same percentage of
income
>when they buy something. That would be taking equality too far, wouldn't
it.
>
>It is a bit ironic that Buchanan's favorite song is by Patsy Cline. When
KD
>Lang first appeared on the Canadian scene, she claimed that she was the
>reincarnation of Patsy Cline. Given her voice, I could understand her
>claim. Given that Buchanan is a born again christian and KD is a
>reincarnation, I would have thought that Buchanan would have gravitated
>towards KD. Her sexual orientation wouldn't be a problem for Mr.
Buchanan,
>would it?
>
>Joe Szalai
>
>
>
Can one be Irish Catholic and born again? I thought the "born again" label
was restricted primarily to fundamentalist Protestants. Steve Forbes's
popularity is based more on people's perceptions of his "outsider" status
than it is with the flat tax idea. At the National Issues Forum in Texas
recently, support for Forbes among the delegates plummeted after they
learned actual details of what the flat tax will do to average American
workers. I'm still trying to figure out how a guy whose personal worth is
measured in hundreds of millions of dollars can be mistaken for an
outsider. And I'm honored to see that my comment about your uncritical
adoration of that loopy leftist lecturer has stuck so determinedly in your
craw.
Sam Stowe
Hungarian content -- Do you guys buy into this myth that people who are
extremely wealthy are somehow more worthy of exercising national
leadership than anyone else?
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+ - | Re: A tidbit on equality between the sexes (mind) |
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Eva Balogh writes:
> I just heard on Public Radio: in the United States men spent 11
> minutes a day doing housework!
Some genders are efficient! I wonder how long it takes for women according
to NPR?
Regards,Jeliko.
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+ - | Re: WWI (mind) |
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At 07:54 PM 2/5/96 -0500, Janos Zsargo wrote:
>There has been a short discussion about WWI last week. I expressed my
>opinion about how the US entered the war. According E.Balogh it was
>wrong and as Eva is an expert of this subject I did not want to argue.
>However I had some questions to her in a personal E-mail and she replied
>that detailed answers would be sent next day.
Terribly sorry, but I forgot about it. Here it is briefly. When the
belligerents entered the war they entered it in a rather cavalier fashion.
No one really remembered a serious war on the continent and people, so to
speak, were itching to have a little war. This was the mood everywhere from
England to Russia. I have nice little quotations from writers and poets,
greeting the war with great enthusiasm. (By the way, I can also quote you a
few Hungarian writers, including people like Zsigmond Moricz!) In any case,
what people didn't realize in 1914 was that this new war was nothing like
the old-fashioned little wars of the nineteenth century. Technological
advances made this war not only much more savage than before but also that
war was as much a war of economics as of military might. The countries which
were economically weak (Russia, Romania, Bulgaria and to some extent
Austria-Hungary) were also the weakest links in the military sense. Germany
was, of course, the continental "super power" and it was Germany which was
proping up Austria-Hungary. Without German help, military and economic,
Austria-Hungary would have been unable to remain in the war until 1918. The
economic exhaustion in Russia resulted in the February Revolution and when
the Provisional Government let itself to be persuaded to remain in the war
(at English and French urgings, and later American), it left itself wide
open to the agitation of the Bolshevik party and Lenin. But even after the
October Revolution, the debate continued in Russia about the continuation of
the war--between Lenin, who wanted to make a separate peace, and Trotsky who
wanted something he called "neither peace nor war." That of course was a
very stupid idea because it would have resulted in German occupation of
large Russian territories. Lenin, of course, was much more of a realist. The
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was a pretty harsh treaty as far as Russia was
concerned but Lenin also knew that the war had not ended yet. After signing
of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the western allies were terribly worried
about intensified German efforts on the western front. Until then the
struggle between France and England on the one hand and Germany on the other
was a stalemate. But Russia out of the war might have changed all this. It
was at this point that the United States entered the war. With the American
entry into the war the economic/military stalemate was broken. So, it wasn't
so much the number of soldiers or how good they were on the battlefield what
made the difference but it was the economic power of the United States which
helped to bring the war to an end.
So, there it is very briefly.
Eva S. Balogh
e-mail:
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+ - | What happened to my posting about "What happened to my (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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As I said sadly: Where is my posting: "Milestones"Honour the Memory
about asking where is my posting about "56"??
The internet monster ate it up?
Again?
Only mine?
Again?
See you again.
Peter Kaslik
E-Mail:
Ps. The three letters to the Editor of Time about degrading
the events of"56"could be viewed on HUNCOR-An Open Democratic
and Free Alternate Hungarian Website :From Main Menu, under
"Current Events"
(URL) http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
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+ - | Have you thought about moving to the U.S.A? (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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Are you interested in legally moving and working in the United States?
The United States Government has recently introduce a new program to
allow people to immigrate to the United States and get a Legal Green
Card. This program allows you to then become a citizen if you want to.
This program is for a very limited (FEB. 12th, - March 12, 1996)
If you live outside of the United States or know of someone who might be
interested then please E-Mail me for additional information.
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+ - | Re: Minority Rights (2) (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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Csaba,
How does the Netherlands treat their Frisian population and how about the
Scandinavian treat the Sammi (Lapps)??? What is the population of the Sammi??
This is very interesting, stuff. Do continue. Maybe some people will turn a
leaf and realize that the Slovak and Romanian government are full of it.
Udv.,
Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
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+ - | Re: A tidbit on equality between the sexes (mind) |
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Darren Purcell wrote:
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>Wow, then i am doing way above that...maybe I should slack off and get
>down to the average male....NOT! The curious thing about that is how
>housework is defined. The results do not surprise me, but in the same way
>no one thinks of domestic labor, what are gardening and painting, mowing,
>etc.?
>
>The question is not to diminish the role of domestic labor but I ask what
>is the boundary. I mean, let's be honest, only recently does my father do
>a great deal of laundry, or sweeping. But then my mother didn't lay out
>the 100 ft by 75ft garden either. Now they (my folks) do both, much more
>equally. Food for thought.
>
>Darren
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Firstly, congrats are in order for the wild geography expert for getting
married.
I, actually, agree with something that Darren wrote. Not only is there an
unclear
definition of "housework", but housework in the US compared to housework in
Hungary is very different. Not everyone in the US can claim that when they come
home from work they go straight to the garden or feed the chickens, ducks,
pigs,
or what have you.
There is a split between what men and women do in Hungary, when they come
from work. Men work outside the home, while the women work inside the home.
Men, certainly, won't left a finger to do the inside work. If you base the
comparison
on the inside duties then Darren does way, too, much in Hungarian men's eyes.
=-)
Udv.,
Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
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+ - | Re: WWI (mind) |
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In article >,
Janos Zsargo > writes:
>How and excatly when the decision was achieved then and it was really
>impossible to make any prediction?
Dear Ms. Balogh:
This is your professional specialty and I try to live by the rule of never
treading on Superman's cape. I will suggest that Zsargo ur give John
Toland's book about the last year of the war a whirl. Or Martin Gilbert's
more recent treatment. Both are readily obtainable in most bookstores in
the United States. Neither will confirm or support Zsargo ur's blind
compulsion to believe that the U.S. jumped into the First World War
because it saw France and Britain winning the war. I trust you will not
try to confuse him too terribly much with the facts.
Sam Stowe
Hungarian content -- Still waiting on the inevitable rant about the
perfidy of the U.S., France and Britain in the negotiations leading up to
Trianon.
P.S. -- Has anyone heard from Mrs. Fa'bos-Becker since her surgery? Is she
doing okay?
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+ - | Re: What happened to my posting about "What happened to (mind) |
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Dear fellow-listmembers,
Peter Kaslik asks again about his posting regarding Time magazine's
re-invention of 1956. All I can say to him is, your posting was
distributed by listserv to all subscribers of .
What happens to old postings after that depends not on the GWUVM, but
on the machine and software at your sites. I expect that if you order
the archive for the week in which you posted it, you will find it there
(Listserv maintains weekly logs of traffic). Or, if you read through
some other service, such as the hix connections, it may be handled
differently.
Sincerely,
Hugh Agnew
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+ - | Re: WTB - Hungarian Stamps and Photos (mind) |
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>
> I am interested in buying Hungarian stamps prior to 1950, letters and
> postcards and any military photographs. Please send description and
> price.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joe Lenyi
>
>
For military photographs, see the work of famous hungarian
photographer Andre Kertesz. His hungarian work includes
photos taken during his service in WWI, and prints should be
easily attainable due to his worldwide reknown.
Misi.
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+ - | IBM. (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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I just wonder how many of you saw the new I.b.m.advertisng on T.V.Using an
elderley man and a younger woman holding a laptop IBM.Just like to know your
oppinion about it.
A.K.
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+ - | Flogging a dead horse vs. necrophilia?!?! (mind) |
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Hali,
#####################################
Joe Szalai wrote (not too much):
Mr. Czifra,
>From your last post it's obvious that you're adept at flogging a dead horse.
Do you get sufficient satisfaction form doing so, or are you turned on by
necrophilia as well?
Joe Szalai
#####################################
Well, well, well.
If you're the dead horse, then sure I enjoy flogging you. It makes for easier
decomposition, thus giving life to something better than what you've been
spewing out. It would take weeks to leave a dead carcass out, without smashing
it to a pulp. That way the stench of your rotting carcass of an argument only
lasts half as long. You've only given me bad arguments for PC, so I can use the
same line of defense over and over and over again. It may be monotonous, but it
works.You're only going to exhaust yourself, which obviously you have. So off
to the glue factory, my horse. =-)
How can you associate flogging a dead horse with necrophilia?? Necrophilia is
getting it on with a human corpse. You're a horse, Joe, remember. Getting it on
with a dead animal might be classified as Necrobeastiality. Can anyone verify
this?? No, I never had sexual fantasies about digging up Seattle Slew, Trigger,
Alidar, Silver, or Mr. Ed and doing it to them, no!!!
PC at it's best, folks, straight from horse's mouth.....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA!!!! Sorry, I had to go for it all.
Once again, grasshopper, you know not of what you speak.
Udv.,
Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
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+ - | Re: IBM. (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Andy Kozma wrote:
> I just wonder how many of you saw the new I.b.m.advertisng on T.V.Using an
> elderley man and a younger woman holding a laptop IBM.Just like to know your
> oppinion about it.
> A.K.
>
I don't know if the Hungarian was correct, but I understood the ad in
Hungarian. Why the heck was there a monkey in it?
Darren
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+ - | Re: IBM. (mind) |
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At 01:22 PM 2/7/96 -0500, Andy Kozma wrote:
>I just wonder how many of you saw the new I.b.m.advertisng on T.V.Using an
>elderley man and a younger woman holding a laptop IBM.Just like to know your
>oppinion about it.
>A.K.
I saw the second half of it. I was not impressed--or rather, I was
somewhat horrified at the depiction of Hungary and the Hungarians in that ad.
Eva Balogh
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+ - | Re: IBM. (mind) |
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Haliho,
*****************************************
>Eva Balogh wrote:
>
> I saw the second half of it. I was not impressed--or rather, I was
>somewhat horrified at the depiction of Hungary and the Hungarians in that ad.
> Eva Balogh
*****************************************
It had a dub quality of Kung-Fu movies of the 70's. The woman said it was
schockingly cheap. There is some truth to that. It would be cheaper to buy in
the US than in Hunagry, where copies of Windows 95 (upgrade version) sell at
27,860HUF+.
Udv.,
Czifra Jancsi
john_czifra @ shi.com
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+ - | Re: IBM. (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Andy Kozma wrote:
> I just wonder how many of you saw the new I.b.m.advertisng on T.V.Using an
> elderley man and a younger woman holding a laptop IBM.Just like to know your
> oppinion about it.
> A.K.
>
I thought that it was wonderful! I have had just returned from year and
a half stay in beautiful Hungary when I saw this comercial. I definatley
think that the georgus city of Budapest should be televised more
often...bizony mondom nektek! (And I'm not even Hungarian...sajnos)
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+ - | Equality etc. (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
Feladó: (cikkei)
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Janos Czifra has an interesting notion about Hungarian reality. All those
chickens, pigs, cows, and so forth which are being tended by the man of the
house. Time to wake up: Overwhelming majority of the population live in cities.
Eva Balogh
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+ - | Looking for Lechner Peter (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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My friend Halaman Gyula from Argentina is trying to get in touch with
Lechner Peter (has a brother named Ferenc). He is an attorney, went
to the "Kiralyi Katolikus Gimnazium" in Hungary. Left Hungary in 1956. He
is in his late 60's or early 70's.
If anyone knows anything, please let me know. Thanks.
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+ - | Re: SOROS-HORN SUMMIT! (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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so... just what are they planning to do with all that money in Hungary?
Good, or bad? (for Hungairns ....)
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