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+ - Titles back in use? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I recently read somewhere that old aristocratic titles had regained some kind 
of legal status in Hungary. Can somebody confirm this?

Thanks

Juliusz
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In >  (Juliusz A. Dabrowski)
writes: 
>
>I recently read somewhere that old aristocratic titles had regained
some kind 
>of legal status in Hungary. Can somebody confirm this?

Speaking of titles, I understand I have one that includes in
part:Ko:peczi, Lo'fo", Dea'k. Anyone know anything of this one?

OD
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Auschwitz explained by SRI (Romanian Information Service / Serviciul 
Roman de Informatii) 

Myths and Facts



	Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime 
concentration camp where many prisoners ‹ most of them Jewish ‹ were 
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is widely 
regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The camp¹s 
horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.

	Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story

	Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have 
been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These 
«revisionist» scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of 
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly of 
typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present 
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the story 
of mass killings in «gas chambers» is a myth.

	The Auschwitz Camps

	The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now 
south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 
1942 and mid-1944.

	The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was 
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz 
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from 
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted 
to the war economy.

	Four Million Victims?

	At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans 
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was 
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It 
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for example. 
(note 1)

  	Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the 
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian 
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the 
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the 
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel¹s Yad Vashem 
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one million 
people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither institution would 
say how many of these people were killed, nor were any estimates given 
of the numbers of
those supposedly gassed. (note 2) One prominent Holocaust historian, 
Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews 
perished at Auschwitz. More recently, Holocaust historian Jean-Claude 
Pressac has estimated that about 800,000 persons ‹ of whom 630,000 were 
Jewish ‹ perished at Auschwitz. While even such lower figures are 
incorrect, they show how the Auschwitz story has changed drastically 
over the years. (note 3)

	Bizarre Tales

	At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically 
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet 
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February 
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an 
«electric conveyor belt on
which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and] 
then moved on into furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, 
producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage fields.» (note 4)

	And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson 
charged that the Germans used a «newly invented» device to 
instantaneously «vaporize» 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz «in such a way 
that there was no trace left of them.» (note 5) No reputable historian 
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.

	The Höss ŒConfession¹

	A key Holocaust document is the «confession» of former Auschwitz 
commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S. 
prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)

	Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz 
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was obtained 
by torture.

	Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant 
Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured 
the former commandant to obtain his «confession.» Höss himself privately 
explained his ordeal in these words: «Certainly, I signed a statement 
that I killed two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said 
that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any 
confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not.» (note 7)

	Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story 
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss 
«affidavit» are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now 
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people 
perished in Auschwitz.

	The Höss «affidavit» further alleges that Jews were already being 
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec, 
Treblinka and Wolzek. The «Wolzek» camp mentioned by Höss is a total 
invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer mentioned in 
Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who 
believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did not begin 
at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.

	No Documentary Evidence

	Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were 
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a 
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story 
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.

	Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work

	For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were 
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, 
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who 
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.

	But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the 
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. 
For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from 
the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and 
Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish 
inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the 
remaining Jewish inmates ‹ some 21,500, or about 86 percent ‹ were 
unable to work. (note 8)

	This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on 
«security measures in Auschwitz» by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS 
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported 
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp 
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz 
II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 
36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom «approximately 15,000 are unable 
to work.» (note 9)

	These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz 
extermination story.

	The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as 
a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and 
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment 
to other camps. That¹s the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of 
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for the 
unusually high death rate
there. (note 10)

	Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish, 
acknowledges in a recent book about the «final solution» that more Jews 
perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other «natural» causes 
than were executed. (note 11)

	Anne Frank

	Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known 
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that 
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, «survived» 
Auschwitz.

	The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands 
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the 
advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to 
the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.

	Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp 
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who 
were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945, 
shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in 
1980.

	If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they 
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, 
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.

	Allied Propaganda

	The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay 
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any 
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because 
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.

	Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and 
German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people 
were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an 
important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also 
broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)

	Survivor Testimony

	Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of 
extermination at Auschwitz.

	An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp 
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned 
in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish 
forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her 
and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.

	Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go 
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The 
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead 
of gas, water came out of the shower heads.

	Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the 
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite 
a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass 
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)

	A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from 
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and 
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and 
saw nothing of «gas chambers» during the time she was interned there. 
She heard the gassing stories only later. (note 14)

	Inmates Released

	Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and 
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top 
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have 
released inmates who «knew» what was happening in the camp. (note 15)

	Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced

	In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially 
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm 
counter-measures.

	The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated 
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It 
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and 
ordered that «camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to 
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps.» Furthermore, 
it ordered:

     The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
     nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
     administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
     commandants ... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working
     conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as
     possible.
	Finally, the directive stressed that «the Reichsführer SS [Heinrich 
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced.» 
(note 16)

	German Camp Regulations

	Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an 
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)

     New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
     examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they
     must be sent to quarantine for observation.

     Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the
     camp physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the
     prisoners to a hospital for professional treatment.

     The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding
     the preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply.
     Any deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp
     commandant.

     Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in
     order not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.

     Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be
     brought before the camp physician for medical examination.

	Telltale Aerial Photos

	Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau 
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged 
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These 
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or 
masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, 
and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been 
the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)

	Absurd Cremation Claims

	Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could 
not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and 
summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.

	For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, 
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation 
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 
in crematories and open pits is simply «preposterous» and «beyond the 
realm of reality,» he declared under oath. (note 19)

	Gassing Expert Refutes Extermination Story

	America¹s leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter, 
carefully examined the supposed «gas chambers» in Poland and concluded 
that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.

	Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of 
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals. 
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state 
penitentiary.

	In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the 
«gas chambers» at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are 
either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn testimony to 
a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter described every 
aspect of his investigation.

	He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing 
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among other 
things, he pointed out that the so-called «gas chambers» were not 
properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also killing 
German camp personnel. (note 20)

	Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the 
Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the 
Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a careful 
on-site examination of the «gas chambers» at Auschwitz, Birkenau and 
Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: «I have come to 
the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with 
Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely 
impossible.» (note 21)

Notes

  1. Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 
261.;
     NC&A red series, vol. 1, p. 35.; C.L. Sulzberger, «Oswiecim 
Killings
     Placed at 4,000,000,» New York Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York 
Times,
     Jan. 31, 1986, p. A4.
  2. Y. Bauer, «Fighting the Distortions,» Jerusalem Post (Israel), 
Sept.
     22, 1989; «Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million,» Daily Telegraph
     (London), July 17, 1990; «Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll 
Estimate
     to 1 Million,» The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
  3. G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le 
Crématoires
     d¹Auschwitz: La Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS, 1993). 
On
     Pressac¹s estimates, see: L¹Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993, p. 
33.
  4. Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press
     dispatch from Moscow).
  5.  IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
  6. Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.
     275-279.
  7. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R. 
Faurisson,
     The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
  8. Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German 
document
     No. 128, in: H. Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), 
p.
     264.
  9. Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.
 10. Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, 
Calif.), p. 124.
 11. Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The ŒFinal Solution¹ 
in
     History (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.
 12. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.
 13. Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star,
     March 29, 1988, p. A2.
 14. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981), 
pp.
     188-191.
 15. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.
 16. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC&A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
     833-834.
 17. «Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps.» Anthology, 
Inhuman
     Medicine, Vol. 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz 
Committee,
     1970), pp. 149-151.; S. Paskuly, ed., Death Dealer: the Memoirs of 
the
     SS Kommandant at Auschwitz (Buffalo: 1992), pp. 216-217.
 18. Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited
     (Washington, DC: Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).
 19. Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.
 20. The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution 
Gas
     Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988). 
Available
     for $17.00, postpaid, from the IHR.
 21. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3

The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now,
more than 40 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to 
take
another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of 
history.
The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If hundreds of
thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one 
of
the great myths of our time collapses.

Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents
genuine reconciliation and lasting peace. Correct information promotes 
historical
awareness and international understanding. That is why the 
reconciliation work of the
SRI (Serviciul Român de InformaÝii) is so important and deserves your 
support.

Send all questions and comments to 
+ - Re: SCM: Re: SCM: Re: SCM: The Usual Suspects (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

t.
>
>Forgive me, but this is not very convincing because I know several
>Hungarians here who got stuck in this linguistic limbo: they no longer
>speak Hungarian without an accent and they still speak English with an
>accent.

Show me a pure bread Hungarian who has an accent in his/hers native
language and AI show you a pink elefant.I left hungary 46 years ago, speak
7 languages but have NO accent in my Hungarian according all of my friends
at home in Hungary.
Hungarians read a lot of Hungarian classical literature (if they keep up
with their culture), besides what accent do you suppose they picked up in a
truely unique language such as Hungarian? They might have forgotten
Hungarian words but could never speak with an "accent" in the language
itself.It is a pure impossibility.

>Well, so the name "Gabor" is just a stage name, just as Zsa Zsa (an
>obvious offshoot of "Zsuzsa)?  What about her sister, Eva, who also has
>a noticeable Hungarian accent?  Then there is Magda ...  That name is
>also coincidentally so Hungarian?

Zsuzsa is not one of the Hungarian first names (Zsuzsanna is), however, I
agree that Zsa-Zsa is a stage name. Eva is dead, and Magda could be
Austrian, German, or Hungarian name although you cannot judge a person's
birthplace from her given name.For example does Nicole or Michell imply
French origin ? I think not. Neither does Ferenc indicate Hungarian
birthplace.

>Anyway, why don't you tell us where you got your info about the
>Gabor sisters?

I got my information "from the horse's mouth". They never lived in Hungary
proper, their father was an Austrian jeweler, married an Austrian woman
(during the infamous Austro-Hungarian Monarchy) and after they father died
they immigrated from Vienna directly to Holywood before the Nazis would
catch up with them.

As an afterthought,I apologize if I came on strong. I did not want to
convince you of anything, I just reacted to the original article about the
funny-speaking Hungarians in the movie. Personally I don't care either way.
I don't know any Hungarians with an accent and Zsa-Zsa could be Esperanto
as far as I care.I am a mathematician (PhD) and Physical Science is my
hunting ground.

Have a good one

Janos
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The subject posting is vary familiar, it appears at regular intervals on 
the Internet. It was posted originally by an anti-semitic organization in 
Canada and use material publicly discredited by all sources. The scholars 
and historians mentioned in posting are also discredited and marginal. (I 
am an historian.)
For those interested: details of the allegations are posted in the 
archives of one of the Usenet group's FAQ, so are the even more extensive 
documentation refuting the posting and detailing the background of the 
posting organization.
As for why this particular posting is repeated by a Romanian organization 
on the Hungarian Forum, perhaps you are right: There is a bleak future for 
our Hungaraian brothers and sisters in a fascist Romania.

Peter Aradi
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>Not long ago I met with two girls whom I haven't seen for about six
>years, and I immediately noticed that they have a slight accent.
>The funny thing is, however, they told me the same thing!!  Namely,
>I speak hungarian with english accent.

If you and girls (you recently met) noticed your english accent and you
noticed the girl's english accent, how did you all know that you all had an
english accent? Your logic escapes me unless neither one of you had an
accent.

The Hungarian language I speak may be mixed with english expressions but
never the pronounciation because its uiqueness.  Believe what you want,
keep on having an english accent, however, I quit this pointless argument.
I honestly do not care which one of us is right or wrong

Good By
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:Well, so much for my big beef tonight. ;-)  Otherwise the movie is quite
:an unusual suspense, requiring a thorough concentration to understand
:the finer points of the intricate plot.  I recommend it.

I add: it must be seen several times before one starts to understand what is
really going on. In other words, it's a great plot.
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In article >,
Janos Koplyay > wrote:
>
>Her accent may sound "so typically Hungarian" but when she speeks
>occasionally Hungarian it does not sound Hungarian. She has a definite
>foreign accent.

Forgive me, but this is not very convincing because I know several
Hungarians here who got stuck in this linguistic limbo: they no longer
speak Hungarian without an accent and they still speak English with an
accent.

> Claiming to be Hungarian gave her sort of a mystic before
>most Americans ever heard of Hungary (due to the 1956 revolution)

Well, so the name "Gabor" is just a stage name, just as Zsa Zsa (an
obvious offshoot of "Zsuzsa)?  What about her sister, Eva, who also has
a noticeable Hungarian accent?  Then there is Magda ...  That name is
also coincidentally so Hungarian?

Anyway, why don't you tell us where you got your info about the
Gabor sisters?

Joe
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Janos Koplyay ) wrote:

: Show me a pure bread Hungarian who has an accent in his/hers native
: language and AI show you a pink elefant.I left hungary 46 years ago, speak
: 7 languages but have NO accent in my Hungarian according all of my friends
: at home in Hungary.
: Hungarians read a lot of Hungarian classical literature (if they keep up
: with their culture), besides what accent do you suppose they picked up in a
: truely unique language such as Hungarian? They might have forgotten
: Hungarian words but could never speak with an "accent" in the language
: itself.It is a pure impossibility.

You're dead wrong.   People who don't speak Hungarian regularly 
may use english intonation in place of hungarian intonation.
As for others not detecting 'accent' on your speak -- slow changes 
are not apparent if you meet with those people more or less regularly.   
Not long ago I met with two girls whom I haven't seen for about six 
years, and I immediately noticed that they have a slight accent.   
The funny thing is, however, they told me the same thing!!  Namely, 
I speak hungarian with english accent.
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If this post really originated from S.R.I./R.I.S., the Rumanian filth is
getting ready to exterminate 2.5 million Hungarians.
+ - Hungarian Drama Quest (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

: Please help me if you can--I am researching the magyar playwright 
: Ferenc Molnar.  what is his current stature in Hungary?

: Please e-mail any responses.  Thank you!
: Dr. Thomas F. Connolly )
+ - prison sentences in various countries (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am compiling comparisons of prison sentences in various parts of the world
for various crimes and appeal to you for help. Please e-mail
 
1) the average sentence a first time offender would get for these crimes
2) what a repeat offender would get
2) How much of the sentence must be served in prison before
   the offender can be release for good behavior
 
capital murder (deliberate and committed while committing rape,
                 robbery, arson etc.)
murder (deliberate but not capital murder)
manslaughter (accidental killing)
robbery by threat
aggrevated robbery (causing injury during the robbery)
burglary of a residence
car theft
car burglary
 
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+ - Re: The Usual Suspects (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Paul Nevai > wrote:
>
>I add: it must be seen several times before one starts to understand what is
>really going on. In other words, it's a great plot.

Yes, I intend to see it again, for that exact reason.  Or I'll wait till
it's out in video.

BTW, I hardly recognized any of the actors in the movie.  Did you? 

Joe
+ - Tolnanemedi or Vilmany Information (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello, I am of Hungarian/Slovak ancestry and will be making a "roots"
journey to see relatives in Kosice, Slovakia and to see if I can find some
relatives of my dad's in Tolnanemedi where he was born. His mother's
family was from there and they immigrated to Cleveland in the 1920s. My
grandmother's surname was Toth and my grandfather's was Antal. My dad
doesn't remember where his father's family is from. Any information about
them or the town of Tolnanemedi is greatly appreciated. Also, my mother's
mother was from a town called Vilmany, surname Balasz. Any info there
would help too.
Dash Antel (Antal)

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