wrote:
 
 Laszlo Horvath  > wrote:

Does the meaning of this verb refer only to economic matters?

I've just found in our library (Stanford U.) a work titled: Ungarische
Einflusse in der Terminologie das offentlichen Lebens der Nachbarsprachen
by G. Schubert. (Hungarian influences in the terminology of the public
life of the neighbor-languages). Concerning the word "gazda" the author
shows how it was borrowed by Hungarians from the Slavic, how it acquired 
new connotations (reflecting the political, social, economic relationship 
of the ethnic groups within the Hungarian Kingdom and the Dual Monarchy,
etc.) and how it was re-borrowed by the Hungarians' Slavic neighbors,
 
  Now you're talking!  That book must be quite a find there.  The
  "reborrowing" does make sense to me.  It explains a lot.  Now I would
  only be interested when did the Hungarians originally borrowed it;
  was it before the Conquest, somewhere in today's Ukraine, or was it
  already after the conquest?  Does your book say something about that?
  Thanks for that fine research!
  Joe

Joe: The author of the work (G. Schubert) gives extensive references and
I am sure all those questions could be tracked out. When next time I go 
over to Berkeley I will look around in the Library. It has probably the 
richest Hungarian collection in any library in this country. 
Unfortunately I didn't quote the introductory paragraphy to "gazda" to 
the very end. The last line implies that the first written record for the 
appearance of gazda in Hungarian is from 1372. ("Das Wort ist im Ung. 
seit 1372 belegt.")
However, the author gives numerous dated references for the apppearance 
(i. e. reborrowing)of gazda and its derivatives in the Nachbar-Sprachen. 
For example: "...seit 1716 in grosser Zahl belegt in Serbien, vor allem 
in der Vojvodina, aber auch in der Gegend um Zagreb seit Beginn unseres 
Jh...." There are records for its use in Romania "Herberge, 
Nachtquartier, Grossbauer, Kulak, Eigentumer, Herr ... seit 1672 ..." 
Lots of samplings are given for the uses of the extensive derivatives.

By the way, this is a fascinating work. Who would have known that the 
word "generalis" that entered Hungarian from Latin came into usage 
in Romanian (which is a Romance language) via the Hungarian usage of that 
word. "rum. ghineraris/ginerares/d'eneralas/gheneralis ... ginarares 
veraltete Soldatensprache; ferner kommt in der Kanzleisprache des 18 Jh. 
gheneralis perteptor als Obersteuereinnehmer vor zu ungarland. -lat. 
perceptor generalis." (I wish though I could've quoted all this with the 
diacriticals; perhaps that way all this would make better sense)
Sincerely, Laszlo

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Gemini Girl wrote:
>  wrote:

> >Hi there!!!
> >Have you ever heard of this firm???

Yes, one of those is: INEX and VENTURCORP. They are "venture capital 
consultants."

> >I need some financial info and so far nothing on the Web.
> >If you had any business w/ them, please let me know your experiences.


Venturcorp is OK, they take a fee, but they are correct.
They provide a service for small businesses to raise capital by 
negotiating with financials and institutions to secure the loan they 
need.
See the WEB- Adress below:

******************
http://inexvc.com/
******************

> What's the name of the company? I maybe able to assist you...

I think he is looking for Venture Capital Consultants in general. 

> Gemini Girl
> Me, Myself and I - Heart of Fire, Brain of Ice

....Me, Yourself and we - Heart of Fire, Brain of Mice

Ciao,

             A.n.g.e.l
     **************************
     http://www.mlbooks.com/pro
     **************************

Q: Why was Leo tzar (Breshnev) so barrel-chested in his last years ?

A: He had soviet pacemaker

Q: Why does the Albanian submarine goes like this ?
( I mean, like sinus curve)

  __      __
 /  \    /  \
/    \__/    \__

A: The rowers are taking breath.

Tamas

I quote only the opening paragraph (beginning on page 328):

"3.110. gazda "Wirt, Verwalter, Brotgeber" (Et. Das Wort wird im
allgemeinen aus dem Slaw. hergeleitet, wobei von Slaw. gospoda  
"Herberge" bzw. gospod "Herr, Gebieter" ausgegangen wird. Folgende 
Entwicklungen habe im Ung. stattgefunden: gospoda > gozdapa > gozda > 
gazda. Kniezsa lehnt diese Etymologie ab, da es im Ung. fur die 
Vokalelision in geschlossener Silbe kein Beispiel gebe, ferner  goszpoda, 
gozdapa, gozda im Ung., nicht bewegt seien."

   Aha! Interesting! Because "Herberge"'s synonym in German is "Hospiz"  
  from Latin), and
   "hospes" contains much semantic stuff as "gospod-" does!
   Then, there is the Indoeuropean connection: hospes <IE *hos-potis    
(*potis = chief,
   chieftain, lord; anyway a "potent" guy :-).
   cheers,
  George
George, I tagged a response about historical appearances to the end of 
Joe's (Danubius) question that you might find interesting.
Laszlo

In article >,
Andim Oben Balce > wrote:
| 
|     Hi, Everybody,
| 
|     I would like to learn if there is any daily news source ( or server) 
| in English or  in your language on internet (WWW or Gopher) about your countr
y.
| If so, could you send me their gopher or WWW addresses. 
|     Thanks in advance.
| 
| 
| 
Lots... go checkj the faq :)

Peter Kovalszki  > wrote:

>Balog Evat talan vigasztalni fogja, hogy Szucs Andras 4.3 %-a helyett az 
>atlag inkabb 6% korul lesz- mert az MSZP es FKGP szimpatizansai nagyobb 
>hanyadat kepviselik az ossz=szavazoknak, mint az alacsonyabb 
>antiszemita-indexxel biro MDF es SZDSZ -szavazok. 

Ezeket a szamokat is ugy hoztak ossze, hogy megkerdeztek a mintaban
resztvevoket, vajon *kedvelik-e* a zsidokat.  Ha valaki azt valaszolta,
hogy nem, akkor azt az anti-szemita kategoriaba soroltak.

No most miert kell a zsidokat egyaltalan kedvelni?  Mi van akkor ha
semleges valaki veluk szemben?  Se nem kedveli se nem utalja oket.
Akkor az anti-szemitanak minosul?  Szerintem az ilyen felmeresekkel
azt lehet bizonyitani, amit akar az ember.  Csak a kerdeseket kell
megfeleloen fogalmazni.

Egyebkent erdekes, hogy annak ellenere, hogy most egyesek nagy hordo
ugyet probalnak csinalni a minapi MDF kongresszuson elhangzott 
"allitolagos" anti-szemita bekiabalasokbol, az a felmeres epp az MDF
tagok kozott talalta az egyik legalacsonyabb anti-szemita indexet.
Go and figure ...

Pannon J.

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>Nem is vedtem Szabo Albit. Azt tagadtam hogy amit leirtak
>azt bizonyitana hogy Szabo Albit az SZDSZ
>penzelne. Egyebkent semmilyen kulonleges informacio nem all
>rendelkezesemre, mindossze annyit irtam le hogy a
>kovetkeztetesek amik megjelentek, nem konzekvensek.  

Azert gondolkozni nem kerul penzbe...
Pl. azon, hogy a Szabo csapat miert kimeli a baloldali (Demokratikus
Charta?) osszejoveteleket?  Nem az lenne a logikus, hogy elsosorban
azokat tamadjak, ill. hergeljek?

PJ

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Bonjour, je suis une artiste plasticienne et prepare actuellement
un travail.
Pour que sa realisation soit satisfaisante, j'ai besoin de la
traduction dans un grand nombre
de langues de la phrase: "PERSONNE NE RESSUSCITE"
Y'a t'il quelqu'un qui peut me faire parvenir la traduction ? Si
oui , envoyer la reponse a Patrick FRESQUET a l'une des adresses
e-mail suivantes:
		INTERNET: 
		COMPUSERVE: 101362,1765
Vous pouvez aussi participer ŕ ce travail en écrivant cette traduction sur 
une feuille format A4 que vous enverez ŕ l'adresse suivante:
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		75 rue de la garenne
		85420 Bouille-Courdault
		France
	Si vous connaissez la traduction de cette phrase dans des
langues non ecrites, une traduction phonetique conviendrait
parfaitement.
				Avec mes tres sinceres remerciements

IN ENGLISH
Hello! I am an artist (plastic arts) and I am working on a project
at the moment.
To do it the way I want to do it, I need the translation of the
sentence: "NOBODY EVER RISES FROM THE DEAD" into lots of different
languages.
IS there anybody who could send me the translation? If so, send
the answer to:
Patrick FRESQUET at one of the following e-mail addresses:
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aper
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		Madame Breteau janine
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		85420 Bouille-Courdault
		France
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In article >,
 > wrote:
| Peter Kovalszki  > wrote:
| 
| >Balog Evat talan vigasztalni fogja, hogy Szucs Andras 4.3 %-a helyett az 
| >atlag inkabb 6% korul lesz- mert az MSZP es FKGP szimpatizansai nagyobb 
| >hanyadat kepviselik az ossz=szavazoknak, mint az alacsonyabb 
| >antiszemita-indexxel biro MDF es SZDSZ -szavazok. 
| 
| Ezeket a szamokat is ugy hoztak ossze, hogy megkerdeztek a mintaban
| resztvevoket, vajon *kedvelik-e* a zsidokat.  Ha valaki azt valaszolta,
| hogy nem, akkor azt az anti-szemita kategoriaba soroltak.

Ezert kerdeztem mar az elejen hogy mik voltak a
kerdesek. Ezek szerint te tudod, vagy feltetelezed? Ha tudod
engem is erdekelne hogy mik voltak a pontos kerdesek.

| No most miert kell a zsidokat egyaltalan kedvelni?  Mi van akkor ha
| semleges valaki veluk szemben?  Se nem kedveli se nem utalja oket.
| Akkor az anti-szemitanak minosul?  Szerintem az ilyen felmeresekkel
| azt lehet bizonyitani, amit akar az ember.  Csak a kerdeseket kell
| megfeleloen fogalmazni.

Persze, de egy valamire valo felmeresben lekozlik a
kerdeseket is, es megfelelo kerdeseket tesznek fel. Azokbol
lehet kovetkeztetest levonni. 

| Egyebkent erdekes, hogy annak ellenere, hogy most egyesek nagy hordo
| ugyet probalnak csinalni a minapi MDF kongresszuson elhangzott 
| "allitolagos" anti-szemita bekiabalasokbol, az a felmeres epp az MDF
| tagok kozott talalta az egyik legalacsonyabb anti-szemita indexet.
| Go and figure ...


Biztos rosszul tettek fel a kerdeseket a felmeresben ;) (j/k)!!

In article >,
 > wrote:
| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| >
| >Nem is vedtem Szabo Albit. Azt tagadtam hogy amit leirtak
| >azt bizonyitana hogy Szabo Albit az SZDSZ
| >penzelne. Egyebkent semmilyen kulonleges informacio nem all
| >rendelkezesemre, mindossze annyit irtam le hogy a
| >kovetkeztetesek amik megjelentek, nem konzekvensek.  
| 
| Azert gondolkozni nem kerul penzbe...
| Pl. azon, hogy a Szabo csapat miert kimeli a baloldali (Demokratikus
| Charta?) osszejoveteleket?  Nem az lenne a logikus, hogy elsosorban
| azokat tamadjak, ill. hergeljek?


Oszinten szolva van egy ket teny amit nem pontosan tudok a
MIEP uggyel kapcsolatban, ezert jo lenne ha valaki
osszefoglalna a tenyeket ezzel az esettel kapcsolatban...
De oszinten tudod mondani hogy ha Albi egy SZDSZ
rendezvenyen beszelne rendori "biztositas" mellett az nem
lenne ugyanazoknak gyanus akiknek az gyanus hogy nem Dem
CHarta osszejovetleken beszel? Milyen jelentosseggel birhat
egy olyan kerdes amely barmilyen lehetseges tenyallasbol
ugyanazt a kovetkeztetest vonja le?

Istvan

Gemini Girl wrote:
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> >Hi there!!!
> 
> >Have you ever heard of this firm???
> 
> >I need some financial info and so far nothing on the Web.
> 
> >If you had any business w/ them, please let me know your experiences.
> 
> >Please reply to my e-mail: 
> 
> >Thanks a lot;
> What's the name of the company? I maybe able to assist you...
> 
> Gemini Girl
> Me, Myself and I - Heart of Fire, Brain of IceHi there!

I am also interested in any information concerning this Venture Capital 
Consultants company. As far as I know they operate in Madagascar, but 
little information is known.

Please e-mail me: 

Thanks a lot.

Haingo

In article >,
    () wrote:
>Azert gondolkozni nem kerul penzbe...
>Pl. azon, hogy a Szabo csapat miert kimeli a baloldali (Demokratikus
>Charta?) osszejoveteleket?  Nem az lenne a logikus, hogy elsosorban
>azokat tamadjak, ill. hergeljek?

Sz.A. nem tamadni megy hanem egyutt tuntetni!


Szaszvari Peter
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On Thu, 21 Mar 1996, Arpad Fabian Kovacs wrote:

> The contact person for the Muzsikas concert in Vienna, VA is Lori Jacoby at
> 703-255-1902. 
> 

The concert is on Sunday, tomorrow, at 7:30 pm.
Barns of Wolftrap, Vienna, VA 
(just outside of the Washington, DC beltway)

Gotthard
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In article >,
    (Istvan Szucs) wrote:
>Milyen jelentosseggel birhat
>egy olyan kerdes amely barmilyen lehetseges tenyallasbol
>ugyanazt a kovetkeztetest vonja le?

Jo! De pontositsunk. Helyettesitsunk a "kerdes amely" helyebe "ember aki"-t.:)
(Azonkivul hasznalhatnank tobbesszamot is persze)


Szaszvari Peter
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