> Castrum Clus (1213 fortification)------>Clusenberg !?!
> 
> Liviu Iordache

What does this mean by you? Because BERG still means HILL and
not FORTRESS, does it? And where is *Castrum Clus* coming from?
Where did you find it? It's not worth too much just like it. But
I already expressed, that I beleive that the name figures somewhere
written this way, even through I never met anybody ever heard it.

I still find new things to learn, even in childish, arrogant and
nationalistic discussions, as all of these articles about Erde'ly.

//Laszlo

#In article >,  
#says...
#>

#>
#>Plus some UN experts... but that's just a mnor detail.
#>Istvan

	not a minor one, if you mean professor liptak.   he is
	an expert.   i do not know of any other experts being
	able to propose any concrete evidence of technical faults.
	long live the danube!!!

#In article >,  
#says...

#>I would agree if I saw a dam on the Hungarian side of the Danube.
#>

	you could see it by this time, if the hungarians had not
	broken a treaty.

#In article >,  
#says...

#>
#>You have quite a nerve to say such things, Gazdik, considering that you 
#>yourself are the butt of all kinds of jokes by your fellow Slovaks.
#>

	thanks for reminding me, sir!!!   would you name some of my
	fellow slovaks that ridicule me...?

T. Kocsis wrote:
> "KOLOZSV=C1R Kolozs vm.L:60 808 - k=F6z=FCl=FCk 50 704 m,7 562 rom,
> 1 676 n=E9m, 371 c, 124 cs =E9s 107 szlk lakos; Kolosv=E1r; r=F3m:
> Napoca; lat: Claudopolis; n=E9m: Clusenberg, Klausenburg;
> [Cluj-Napoca, R]"
> =

> I checked it, the name 'Clusenberg' is not typo.It is written
> exactly this way in the separate German-Hungarian identifier
> cathalogue on the last pages of the book.
> =

> Tam=E1s

I already declared that I believe you. But it's always to benefit to
the issue to see the source quoted.

Thanks
//Laszlo

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In article >, 
 says...
>
>5-21-96 Ivo Novak wrote:
>

#>Normalization process of early 70's, that Mr. Husak is so closely
#>associated with, due to his (pragmatic?) role in CSSR - SSSR relations,
#>was not by any measure characterized by (disproportioned) development
#>of Czechlands (on expense of Slovakia). 
#>
#>On a contrary. Staffing of federal agencies (in Prague), numerous PZOs
#>(gvmt monopolies in foreign trade), even institutions away from 
#strictly
#>government sphere (banks) were in those years increasinly filled by 
#Slovak
#>nationals.

	how many promille, exactly???

#>While economic development and production statistics for Husak's reign 
#can
#>be produced (Bureau of Statistics?), I remember one from late 80's that
#>was comparing housing construction in (1975 - 1985 decade) by "kraj" 
#(i.e.
#>10 administrative  regions that the Cs. federation was divided into).
#>All Slovak regions (West, Central, East and Blava) handily beated most 
#of
#>the Czech regions. I recall for example that West Slovakia had 3 times 
#as
#>many new housing units/100 000 citizen than did West Bohemia. 

	i am inclined to agree.  these were private houses, that people
	built for their personal use.   nothing that was either
	sponsored, or financed by the prague government.

#>Fact of life is - that from variety of reasons and not only in post-68
#>normalization, Slovak communist leaders enjoyed higher degree of trust 
#in
#>Kremlin. 

	could that explain the fact that at any instant in the
	history of the former czechoslovakia, there was one
	slovak, at most, in a position of influence...?

#Combine that with a fact that Western Bohemia - with remnants #of
#>German population - was, as Czechlands in general "less ideologically
#>reliable", and perhaps a buffer zone for any armed conflict with the 
#West,
#>statistics of economic investments of all sorts, trickled down to
#>(socialist style, noneless highly desirable) housing construction, 
#speak a
#>clear language.

	how about the even more desirable investments into the economic
	and industrial infrastructure.   have you any numbers?   i guess
	some czech extremists knew what they were talking about when
	they predicted that slovakia would break down after her 
	declaration of independence.   dreams not come true, fortunately.

#>
#>The facts of past injustices and lack of awareness (or godwill) in
#>arranging government matters in trully federative ways do not change 
#that
#>much on these hard data. Daily flow of T603 or T613 black limusines 
#with
#>Blava and Pha license plates, carrying governmental, party and industry
#>folks each way on Bratislava - Prague hwy was also telling. 

	it tells me only one thing: there was no political power (or     
        clout) in slovakia.   slovak "politicians" had to travel to
	prague to get their orders.

#Husak's regime definitelly did not sided
#>with western part of the country. And it will be extremelly hard to
#>produce any statistical data that can suggest that.

	no statistics needed.   i remember prague from the years i spent
	there as a student as being a city having certain panoramatic
	merits (much better than many other european cities).   but it
	was, at close range, a shabby city.   the pictures prague i have
	seen since the mid 1980's show a refurbished city, with many
	ultramodern amenities.   i know from a very reliable source that
	(the slovakian) doprastav had an office and hudreds of staffers
	in prague, building highways, and other infrastructure there.
	what did mr havel leave in bratislava/slovakia?


#>Husak the developer of the Czechlands ? By what stretch of imagination?

	no imagination, just facts (see above).

#>Economic (and other post-split adjustments) in the Slovak Republic are
#>positive, often surprising all experts. 

	i agree with you.   yesterday i happened to read fortune
	published in 1994.   slovakia had the worst economic indicators
	in the post-socialist europe.   today it is one of four
	european countries that show a positive increase in the bnp.
	certainly a good mark to the leadership of the country, as
	well as the well known. competence of her people.

#There are many things that will
#>play well in a long time and sense of national pride + strategic 
#location
#>might be among them. But claiming that Husak minded Czechlands on 
#expense
#>of Slovakia is not a help that is needed, nor accurtate in historic or
#>absolute sense.

	i do not agree, but it doesn't matter.   slovakia and czechia
	are two friendly countries.   for slovaks it is important to
	learn how to look forward.   the former czech bugging should have
	helped them in that effort.

I have been searching for a videotape of Valahol Europaban for several
years.  Can anyone help me find a copy in any language (English or French
preferred, but Hungarian OK).

My email address is:  

Many thanks.  Robert J. Smith

Laszlo Katkits > wrote:

>> Castrum Clus (1213 fortification)------>Clusenberg !?!
>> 
>> Liviu Iordache

>What does this mean by you? 

As I'm not an expert in this matter, not to much. And that's why I
ended my modest contribution with "!?!" :-)

>Because BERG still means HILL and not FORTRESS, does it? 

If you say so, I can only trust you. But maybe your assumption, that
Cluj is by no means associated with hills, is wrong. Does the name
"Dealul Feleacului" ring any bells? 

>And where is *Castrum Clus* coming from?
>Where did you find it? 

Britannica On-line.

>I still find new things to learn, even in childish, arrogant and
>nationalistic discussions, as all of these articles about Erde'ly.

And boy, you do have a lot to learn!

Liviu Iordache

In article >,
Igor GAZDIK > wrote:
| #In article >,  
| #says...
| #>
| 
| #>
| #>Plus some UN experts... but that's just a mnor detail.
| #>Istvan
| 
| 	not a minor one, if you mean professor liptak.   he is
| 	an expert.   i do not know of any other experts being
| 	able to propose any concrete evidence of technical faults.
| 	long live the danube!!!

There has been a UN sponsored study about the effects of the
dam. Not only about  the technical faults, but about the
effects on flora and fauna. It does confirm that nature and
wildlife are suffering from the dam.

Istvan

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>I bet you can buy at at Puski i New York.
>
Or maybe from European Video Distributors in Burbank, California?

Joe

5-26-96 Ivo Novak wrote:

Igor: let's try to keep objective views, minding also time-frame that we
are dealing with. Can we do so?

> On 25 May 1996, Igor GAZDIK wrote:
> In article >, 
>  says...
> >
> >5-21-96 Ivo Novak wrote:
> #>Normalization process of early 70's, that Mr. Husak is so closely
> #>associated with, due to his (pragmatic?) role in CSSR - SSSR relations,
> #>was not by any measure characterized by (disproportioned) development
> #>of Czechlands (on expense of Slovakia). 
> #>
> #>On a contrary. Staffing of federal agencies (in Prague), numerous PZOs
> #>(gvmt monopolies in foreign trade), even institutions away from 
> #strictly
> #>government sphere (banks) were in those years increasinly filled by 
> #Slovak
> #>nationals.
> 
> 	how many promille, exactly???

First of all those were not pro-miles (i.e. tenths of one per-cent) as you
are (irresponsibly) trying to suggest. Actual data might be impossible to
get, perhaps in archives of defuncted KSC (ComParty of Cs). EEOD of
American or Western standard did not existed then and Slovak
representation (or under-representation) was not even semi-officially kept
data such as working-class origin data in 50s and 60s (school admissions,
managerial positions). But you can ask anyone who has a sound recollection
of "normalization" period, that normally occuring presence of workers,
government and professionals of Slovak origin was accelerated after the
1969 dismissal of Dubcek and arrival of Husak - Bilak etc. team. 
I have suggested reason for that (Russians tended to find Slovak leaders
more trustworthy), but the point was that even in this (important) aspect,
staffing Prague based, often leadership positions in gvmt, banking,
industry with influx of Slovak personnel, cannot be seen as Husak's
favoring the Czechlands. 

For example, the most progressive phenomena in Cs version of (Kadar's)
"gulash Communism" (i.e. give people some material benefits in exchange
for their docile behavior, i.e. the chain of PRIOR department houses, had
it's federal hqs in Bratislava. And - up to this spring the largest KMart
(sq ft wise) was the one in Bratislava.

> #>While economic development and production statistics for Husak's reign 
> #can
> #>be produced (Bureau of Statistics?), I remember one from late 80's that
> #>was comparing housing construction in (1975 - 1985 decade) by "kraj" 
> #(i.e.
> #>10 administrative  regions that the Cs. federation was divided into).
> #>All Slovak regions (West, Central, East and Blava) handily beated most 
> #of
> #>the Czech regions. I recall for example that West Slovakia had 3 times 
> #as
> #>many new housing units/100 000 citizen than did West Bohemia. 
> 
> 	i am inclined to agree.  these were private houses, that people
> 	built for their personal use.   nothing that was either
> 	sponsored, or financed by the prague government.

As a civil engineer, active in planning (and zoning) in that time CSSR, I
would suggest that you seems to be a bit week on this one. 

a)	looking at data, # of new single family houses for any year was 
	ALWAYS lower than # of units built in housing developments.
	That ratio was always more than 2:1 (apartments + condos + company
	flats vers flats in single family houses + townhouses)
	# apartments in multi-units projects/ 100 000 people was in the
	above period always higher in regions (kraje) in the SR than in
	SR.

b)	the fact that single family units were ALSO built in higher rates
	in the SR than in the SR in decades described indicates again
	that Husak did not favored the Czechlands. As you might know -
	and you suggest - citizens in SR (and elsewhere in CEE) built
	their houses from their savings, often with many years of
	family-wide financial and labor support. There were almost
	no mortgages or long-term financing for these type of housing.
	(neither in SR or CR).
	Unbiased and knowledgeble observe can also conclude, that
	Pragocentric exploitation or Husak's favorable disposition
	toward Czechlands did not tricle-down, when citizen of Slovakia
	could put down money and other resources to outrun Czechlands
	in such important (and expensive) standard-of-living items
	such as housing. Single family or multi-units.
	
> #>Fact of life is - that from variety of reasons and not only in post-68
> #>normalization, Slovak communist leaders enjoyed higher degree of trust 
> #in
> #>Kremlin. 
> 	could that explain the fact that at any instant in the
> 	history of the former czechoslovakia, there was one
> 	slovak, at most, in a position of influence...?

Sir. The fact that there were always least 2 Czech for one Slovak
(3 millions of Germans, others like Hungarians, Poles, etc. not
withstanding) and the fact that Czechlands were - for wahatever reason
more developed for centuries - played certain part in relative
representation in these positions. 
Awareness of these issues was also different one in 1918 or 1945 than it's
now, as we all know.

I am no expert on 1918 - 1939 Czechoslovakia and I cannot tell you what
charisma carried Gen. R. Stefanik in Prague. But from seeing that time
papers and listening to my grandpa (Czechosloval Legions member) I felt
something different that I hear from some people today. In the Legions, in
the army and in general, gen. Stefanik and other lesser leaders were
admired. 

WWII team in Moscow, that got a jump-start in Kosice (1944) Program and in
1948 was quite proportionally represented by people of Slovak origin. 
The Prime Minister of Gottwald's (and Zapotocky's) CSR was for many
years Mr. Viliam Siroky. Before that names like Vlado Clementis. Dubcek,
who came to the power under Novotny, was again Slovak and one, who lived
in the CSR/CSSR, would tell you that it was not such a big deal who was or
was not Slovak. Every government's cabinet always had several Slovak
ministers, etc. Even the last (CSFR) Prime Minister (Marian Calfa) was
Slovak. The point is a) in companies, organizations and governmental
positions it has not been the issue if one is Czech or Slovak. People look
at that in a same way like looking at their soccer or ice hockey team. Was
the golie Slovak or Czech? It was not perceived as issue at all.
b) were Czechs guilty of lack of sensitivity and harm to Slovaks? With all
probability yes, especially looking at that with benefit of hinsight.

 
> #Combine that with a fact that Western Bohemia - with remnants #of
> #>German population - was, as Czechlands in general "less ideologically
> #>reliable", and perhaps a buffer zone for any armed conflict with the 
> #West,
> #>statistics of economic investments of all sorts, trickled down to
> #>(socialist style, noneless highly desirable) housing construction, 
> #speak a
> #>clear language.
> 
> 	how about the even more desirable investments into the economic
> 	and industrial infrastructure.   have you any numbers?   i guess
> 	some czech extremists knew what they were talking about when
> 	they predicted that slovakia would break down after her 
> 	declaration of independence.   dreams not come true, fortunately.

I am not sure if you are serious or if you find pleasure in your punditry.
Industrialization (in 50s & 60s the "heavy" one, in 70s and 80s the
"light" one (i.e. steel mills vers consumer products mfrg) are well
documented and can stand on their own. Hundreds of Slovak villages and
cities were developed in 40+ yrs, and - despite the federation-wide
slowdown of 80s - this was still true for Slovakia. 
Defense industry, food processing, chemical industry (by far not just
Slovnaft or Duslo), steel mill (VSZ upgrades), Zdiar alluminium,
hydro-cascade on Vah and other rivers, first Cs nuclear power plants,
motocycle + shoe manufacturing, Tesla Orava, etc. etc. Just consult
directory of companies from late 80's. Deprivation? Husak lost for the
Czechlands? How you can want to be taken seriously?

> #>The facts of past injustices and lack of awareness (or godwill) in
> #>arranging government matters in trully federative ways do not change 
> #that
> #>much on these hard data. Daily flow of T603 or T613 black limusines 
> #with
> #>Blava and Pha license plates, carrying governmental, party and industry
> #>folks each way on Bratislava - Prague hwy was also telling. 
> 
> 	it tells me only one thing: there was no political power (or     
>         clout) in slovakia.   slovak "politicians" had to travel to
> 	prague to get their orders.

Poor little soul. I personally believe that it's better (for both
countries and their citizens) to be separate and independent. It
introduces a degree of competition. But many things are decided in
Washington (or on a Wall Street banks) and not in Kansas City or Wachovia
bank in Dallas. In those T603, later T613 were - by definition at least
half - Slovak decision makers. 
If you want to find a grudge, it will take no effort.

> #Husak's regime definitelly did not sided
> #>with western part of the country. And it will be extremelly hard to
> #>produce any statistical data that can suggest that.
> 
> 	no statistics needed.   i remember prague from the years i spent
> 	there as a student as being a city having certain panoramatic
> 	merits (much better than many other european cities).   but it
> 	was, at close range, a shabby city.   the pictures prague i have
> 	seen since the mid 1980's show a refurbished city, with many
> 	ultramodern amenities.   i know from a very reliable source that
> 	(the slovakian) doprastav had an office and hudreds of staffers
> 	in prague, building highways, and other infrastructure there.
> 	what did mr havel leave in bratislava/slovakia?
> 

The fact that only Prague has a metro and Bratislava does not has more 
reasons than unfair treatment from Czechs. We can discuss them from
economic or transportation reasons. But Brno (who was always, until
20 yrs ago, larger than Bratislava) never had a plan for metro either.
The fact that highway Bratislava - Prague is mostly on Czech ( and
Moravian) territory, what one can do about that?
The fact that year-by-year federal budget got disproportionally less from
the SR and invested (industrial and other development) disproportionally
there was a fact of life from 1950 until 1992 (3 yrs after the Velvet).

The fact that several old buildings in downtown Prague were refurbished,
gradually, staring with late 60's still left Prague grossly neglected and
shabby city after the Velvet. The size of the Old Town building stock did
not allowed expensive effort that more capitalist risk-takers seems to be
bringing in town now. 

When you look at beautiful Bratislava bridge, highways, including Tatras
stretch, less congested, yet very sound network of roads in Slovakia,
where would be the less-development $$$ (or Kcs) argument coming from?

> #>Husak the developer of the Czechlands ? By what stretch of imagination?
> 
> 	no imagination, just facts (see above).

Obviously, you feel hurt. Unfortunately, we do not have "facts" here as
noone from Statisticky urad CSSR is on line, eager to supply us (for free)
with proper data. But again, hey, those would be products of Czech slanted
minds and just invalid. Perhaps we would feel better with (say) CIA's
statistics (but they predisted that the USSR is running out of oil and to
fuel its (expanding?) economy, they have to go to Persan Gulf.

I can tell you only one thing, my friend. The same of rabid feeling that
Czechs nursed toward Germans (who developed the region for millenia) and
sudden feeling of ungratefulness from Slovaks, is waiting on those who are
- again mostly unjustly - nurturing their hurts towards Czechs or others.
It may sell politically, but is it a productive way?

> #>Economic (and other post-split adjustments) in the Slovak Republic are
> #>positive, often surprising all experts. 
> 
> 	i agree with you.   yesterday i happened to read fortune
> 	published in 1994.   slovakia had the worst economic indicators
> 	in the post-socialist europe.   today it is one of four
> 	european countries that show a positive increase in the bnp.
> 	certainly a good mark to the leadership of the country, as
> 	well as the well known. competence of her people.
>
	The fact that Slovak based factories often have more modern
	facilities and technology than (equivalent) ones in the
	Czechlands is well known fact in industry. Industrial base
	in the CR was (at 1989) more outdated. The fact that. for
	example, Duslo Sala is one of very few worldwide producers
	of highly priced chemicals for leading tire priducers is
	only one of typical indicator.
	When you build new factories in 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, you
	will start at higher niveau than with playing with 19th century
	facilities.
	As far as macro (and some micro) eco results, who cannot wish
	to have as best results as possible in Slovakia. The country and
	the region competes with emerging markets around the world.
	The fact, that actual economic results in the SR are sometimes
	(inacurately) clouded by political reports is the fact. But
	acceptance by world finacial community has several criteria, as
	we all know. 

> #There are many things that will
> #>play well in a long time and sense of national pride + strategic 
> #location
> #>might be among them. But claiming that Husak minded Czechlands on 
> #expense
> #>of Slovakia is not a help that is needed, nor accurtate in historic or
> #>absolute sense.
> 
> 	i do not agree, but it doesn't matter.   slovakia and czechia
> 	are two friendly countries.   for slovaks it is important to
> 	learn how to look forward.   the former czech bugging should have
> 	helped them in that effort.

Not only Slovakia and Czechlands are friendly countries, the overhelming
majority of people of both countries (and those abroad) have friendly and
close-affinity relations between themselves. And the underlying motivator
is just basic human tendency to be good. Common experience, closeness in
language and culture that are also significant factors are example of
amicable ways of solving issues of interest. Peacefull and "uneventfull"
disolvement of the CSFR has few precedents (Norway & Sweden 100+ yrs ago
was quoted exemption).

	It helps everyone, individuals as well the nations, to look
forward, while analyzing objectively the past. I do not believe that
"bugging" from Hungarian minority (as an example) will make Slovakia or
its citizens' (Slovak or Hungarian or any other origin) life any better.
Positive, knowledgible, wise, and well carry out changes and conduct seems
to be the best way.
	SR, CR and some other countries of formerly "written-off" Soviet
Block are well on their way to develop their people potentials. 

	Victimization syndrome, sometimes used as explanation for various
social, racial or other group apparent luck of fortune, ought to be
subscribed to only with extreme caution. 

Ivo

P.S.:	How is (still relatively homogenious) Swedish society dealing with
different cultural expectations in face to their previous (Swedish)
consensus on social net and citizens - state relations and obligations?

In article >,
Robert J. Smith > wrote:
| I have been searching for a videotape of Valahol Europaban for several
| years.  Can anyone help me find a copy in any language (English or French
| preferred, but Hungarian OK).
| 
| My email address is:  
| 
| Many thanks.  Robert J. Smith


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On Sat, 25 May 1996, Peter Hakel wrote:

> numbers? Therefore I think the dam at Nagymaros would have restored the
> needed water level without flooding towns.

  Forgot one thing. What's the purpose of the dam at Dunakiliti?


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list soc.culture.magyar

:>Brigitta Bali > wrote:
:>>Check the Oxford. Bland: Of food: not stimulating.
:>
: (Gabor Barsai) wrote:
:>:I don't need the Oxford,
:
:Brigitta Bali > wrote:
:>Yes you do; the education would do you good.
:
 (Gabor Barsai) comesback:
:It take one to know one. Me Wonga-Taa, King of Jungle.

Oooooooo, what an origanal response! You Pawn of Bic, low on fluid. "It
take one to know one." This is a good ole grade 2 comeback. 

:Goober claims:
:>:I know what bland means;
:
:>Brigitta replies:
:>Only partially. The emphasis in your case is on "not stimulating."
:
Goober weakly comesback:
:But sugar-tush, how should I know what you think? Maybe if you'd learn
:English, you'd be more effective in your efforts at making up a logical
:sentence.

Sorry Goober, Joe Pannonymous, and others were quick to understand,
appreciate and laugh up a storm at my Bland Gland brand on your sour-tush.
Logic had nothing to do with it -- a better wit than you have, had much
more to do with it -- get it? Wit! 

:>Goober asks:
:>:BTW, since when is a gland used for food?
:>
:>Brigitta delivers the truth:
:>Since you opened your mouth, analpit.
:
:Goober's flabbergasted:
:I'm...I'm...flattered. Really. Although I know that this is just your
:silly way of coping with the fact that I'm (je suis, yo soy, Ich bin) a
:genius, and you're still struggling with the concept of walking erect.

Actually, goober's flabbergassed; przzzt! Oops, there goes another failed
attempt at wit from Goober's keyboard.

Goober gets sexy (/yawn):
:(I wrote erect...huh-huh, yeah. Being erect is cool, huh-huh.)

Given the dangling participles that you leave at the end of your English
sentences, it's not too hard to walk away unimpressed.

Goober claims:
:BTW, you never wrote a poem in Hungarian or French.

Yeh, sure, right, tell it to my publishers -- better yet, tell it to your
publishers. What's this? the third time you've posted this line? Haven't
you got anything new to post?

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:>|o Gabor Barsai also wrote:                                       o|
:>|o I bet Wally likes it when you try to taste his bland glands... o|
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:>
:> Very typical sophomoric witlessness.
:
:I didn't see such an educated responce to Wally's famous "dried up dumb
:cunt" comment.                
                               
An educated response to an analpit aka stupid prick like you would be a
waste -- sorta like spreading fertile manure on a mall parking lot. The
results would be -- nothing. 

Goober's petty sig:
:Your Friendly Vital Organ

As flacid as his wit -- poses no threat to temptation.