In > 
(Janet Dove) writes: 
>
>Hi fellow 'netters,
>
>My name is Janet Dove and I recently started using a magazine
subscription
>club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with
your
>first paid order

so how much is the first "paid order"? Does it cover the "free" year
PLUS the additional year(s) of subscription? In which case it is not so
free, nor is it such a bargain.

>Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
>competitors and even the publishers themselves.

This is not possible. If they offer a magazine less than the publisher
can, then they are operating at a loss and no one can operate at a loss
on this kind of scale. If you mean that this is less than the newsstand
price, then every subscription is less than the newsstand price, so
there's nothing new here.

 This is their price
>guarantee.
>
>Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to
one-half
>of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On
some
>titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. 

You claim to be merely a subscriber, so how do you know so much about
this company?

   This is their price guarantee.

If you do NOT represent this company, how can you be speaking of
"guarantees"? Only those who sell a product can offer guarantees,
otherwise a non-attached third party's claim of guarantee is worth
nothing.

 Around one-half
>their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
>members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.

Terrific!
>
>Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher
and
>cut-out all the middlemen.

I can do this too by using the little cards that come with each issue. 
>
>
>They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 400K-big and
>juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below.  It has lists
of
>all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken
down by
>categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1000 of the titles that
>they sell.
>
>Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy*
>student.

If you are so busy, why did you just spend about an hour or two to type
up this message?

  I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone
>run my part-time software business!  Email them directly at:      

>
I don't believe that anyone should fall for this kind of sales. It's so
phony!!
>
>
>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please copy this section only and email to:
>                                        

Hey! These people even have an e-mail address! So how come they
couldn't write this ad themselves?

And look at all the information you have to supply them! You might as
well give them your life history!

>Name:
>Internet email address:
>Smail home address:
>City-State-Zip:
>Country:
>Work Tel. #:
>Work Fax #:
>Home Tel. #:
>Home Fax #:
>Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
>Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through
the mail:
>Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
>Catalogue format desired from below 2 choices (list "1" or "2"):
>(1. 22-part email message;    2.  atttached file by email)
>
>{{{Note-  22-part email can be received by anyone with any computer.
>Attached file format may not be for you:  it is sent as an
uncompressed
>400K file formatted in Microsoft World text only format, on a Mac;  if
you
>don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to
convert
>into a usable text format.  We cannot help you with this.   If in
doubt,
>we suggest you go with the universally acceptable 22-part email
message. 
>You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one
>whole.}}}
>
>How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area
of
>the internet that you saw us mentioned in):   Janet Dove
>082595JVGV
>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>
>
>
>They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices.

Here's a third party who supposedly isn't attached to the company,
giving a guarantee again!

 Sometimes they are
>less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and
other
>times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate
yet. 
>They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.  
>
>They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the
USA
>to Finland and then back again when I moved last month.

Oh great!

  They are very
>knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.

Again, if you are so unattached, how do you know that they are so
knowledgeable? Just because they changed your address once or twice,
back and forth between the US and Finland?
>
>They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine
from
>a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA.   They
>will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order
>with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500
>different popular USA titles they sell.  
>
>They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they
have
>clients in around 35 or 36 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
>charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie
subs)
>that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be
>very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address
change
>when I moved from one country to another.
> 
>The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as
"members"
>(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first
>purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about
who
>he accepts as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he
>himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his
>deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of
>quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he
can
>say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), 
but
>you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail.   
>
>He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to
know
>just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live
overseas,
>he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I
think he
>still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the
long
>distance rates are cheaper then.  
>
>He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied
existing
>members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they
had
>a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
>could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you
immediately
>when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
>members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
>their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the
above
>form to them, that is the way to get started!
>
>They will send you some FREE info. via E-mail (the short version
(around
>40K) of their catalogue, or if you request it the DELUXE LONG VERSION
>(around 400K-big and juicey) !)...if you fill out the form near the
top of
>this message.
>
>They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the
list of
>free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of
what
>he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
>no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally
and
>answer all your questions.
>
>Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.  For more info,  just fill
out
>the form near the top of this message and email it to:      

>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Janet Dove


Anyone who believes all this garbage deserves to be taken. You deserve
to pay a high price because you can usually get a US magazine for
whatever the publisher's US sale price is PLUS overseas shipping. You
can't get it any cheaper than that. Don't pay attention to the
newsstand price which is the price for SINGLE copies. You should deal
only with the publisher and look for their little cards which they
enclose with every magazine.
There are lots of companies that try to sell magazines "cheaper" - I've
had 30 to 40 subscriptions going at one time and I've always found that
the cheapest is through the magazine itself.

Can anybody tell me about a Bozsik family in Mezokovesd, Hungary? 
My father is a first generation Hungarian-American, but after 72
years--35 of which he has lived without his parents--he has lost track
of family members in Hungary.

I live in the Washington DC area.  Though i grew up in a home speaking
Hungarian i never paid as much attention to the language as i should
have..as a result when i left home(to seek the BIG world out there) the
language quickly was lost to me...Now that i am an adult(HAH) i realize
what i lost and i would like to relearn the language...

Does anyone out there know of a school or tutor who might help me???

Thanks

In >  (margaret loo 
) writes: 

>
>In > 
>(Janet Dove) writes: 
>>
>>Hi fellow 'netters,
>>
>>My name is Janet Dove and I recently started using a magazine
>subscription
>>club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with
>your
>>first paid order
>
>so how much is the first "paid order"? Does it cover the "free" year
>PLUS the additional year(s) of subscription? In which case it is not so
>free, nor is it such a bargain.
>
>>Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
>>competitors and even the publishers themselves.
>
>This is not possible. If they offer a magazine less than the publisher
>can, then they are operating at a loss and no one can operate at a loss
>on this kind of scale. If you mean that this is less than the newsstand
>price, then every subscription is less than the newsstand price, so
>there's nothing new here.
>
> This is their price
>>guarantee.
>>
>>Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to
>one-half
>>of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On
>some
>>titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. 
>
>You claim to be merely a subscriber, so how do you know so much about
>this company?
>
>   This is their price guarantee.
>
>If you do NOT represent this company, how can you be speaking of
>"guarantees"? Only those who sell a product can offer guarantees,
>otherwise a non-attached third party's claim of guarantee is worth
>nothing.
>
> Around one-half
>>their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
>>members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
>
>Terrific!
>>
>>Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher
>and
>>cut-out all the middlemen.
>
>I can do this too by using the little cards that come with each issue. 
>>
>>
>>They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 400K-big and
>>juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below.  It has lists
>of
>>all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken
>down by
>>categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1000 of the titles that
>>they sell.
>>
>>Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy*
>>student.
>
>If you are so busy, why did you just spend about an hour or two to type
>up this message?
>
>  I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone
>>run my part-time software business!  Email them directly at:      

>>
>I don't believe that anyone should fall for this kind of sales. It's so
>phony!!
>>
>>
>>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>>REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please copy this section only and email to:
>>                                        
>
>Hey! These people even have an e-mail address! So how come they
>couldn't write this ad themselves?
>
>And look at all the information you have to supply them! You might as
>well give them your life history!
>
>>Name:
>>Internet email address:
>>Smail home address:
>>City-State-Zip:
>>Country:
>>Work Tel. #:
>>Work Fax #:
>>Home Tel. #:
>>Home Fax #:
>>Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
>>Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through
>the mail:
>>Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
>>Catalogue format desired from below 2 choices (list "1" or "2"):
>>(1. 22-part email message;    2.  atttached file by email)
>>
>>{{{Note-  22-part email can be received by anyone with any computer.
>>Attached file format may not be for you:  it is sent as an
>uncompressed
>>400K file formatted in Microsoft World text only format, on a Mac;  if
>you
>>don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to
>convert
>>into a usable text format.  We cannot help you with this.   If in
>doubt,
>>we suggest you go with the universally acceptable 22-part email
>message. 
>>You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into one
>>whole.}}}
>>
>>How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area
>of
>>the internet that you saw us mentioned in):   Janet Dove
>>082595JVGV
>>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>>
>>
>>
>>They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices.
>
>Here's a third party who supposedly isn't attached to the company,
>giving a guarantee again!
>
> Sometimes they are
>>less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and
>other
>>times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate
>yet. 
>>They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.  
>>
>>They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the
>USA
>>to Finland and then back again when I moved last month.
>
>Oh great!
>
>  They are very
>>knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.
>
>Again, if you are so unattached, how do you know that they are so
>knowledgeable? Just because they changed your address once or twice,
>back and forth between the US and Finland?
>>
>>They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine
>from
>>a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA.   They
>>will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order
>>with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500
>>different popular USA titles they sell.  
>>
>>They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they
>have
>>clients in around 35 or 36 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
>>charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie
>subs)
>>that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to be
>>very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address
>change
>>when I moved from one country to another.
>> 
>>The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as
>"members"
>>(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first
>>purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about
>who
>>he accepts as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he
>>himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his
>>deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of
>>quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so he
>can
>>say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), 
>but
>>you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail.   
>>
>>He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to
>know
>>just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live
>overseas,
>>he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I
>think he
>>still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the
>long
>>distance rates are cheaper then.  
>>
>>He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied
>existing
>>members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they
>had
>>a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
>>could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you
>immediately
>>when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
>>members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
>>their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the
>above
>>form to them, that is the way to get started!
>>
>>They will send you some FREE info. via E-mail (the short version
>(around
>>40K) of their catalogue, or if you request it the DELUXE LONG VERSION
>>(around 400K-big and juicey) !)...if you fill out the form near the
>top of
>>this message.
>>
>>They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the
>list of
>>free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of
>what
>>he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
>>no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally
>and
>>answer all your questions.
>>
>>Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.  For more info,  just fill
>out
>>the form near the top of this message and email it to:      

>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Janet Dove
>
>
>Anyone who believes all this garbage deserves to be taken. You deserve
>to pay a high price because you can usually get a US magazine for
>whatever the publisher's US sale price is PLUS overseas shipping. You
>can't get it any cheaper than that. Don't pay attention to the
>newsstand price which is the price for SINGLE copies. You should deal
>only with the publisher and look for their little cards which they
>enclose with every magazine.
>There are lots of companies that try to sell magazines "cheaper" - I've
>had 30 to 40 subscriptions going at one time and I've always found that
>the cheapest is through the magazine itself.
>

Kedves Forumozok es soc.culture.magyar olvasok,

A kovetkezo levelet kaptam a HIX -tol :-)
En elegge mulatsagosnak talalom, remelem masok is igy lesznek vele.

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:43:13 -0400
>From: Hollosi Information Exchange >
>To: 
>Subject: torles oka: nem a FORUMba valo
>


Azt ugyan meg nem tudom melyik levelem lett torolve, ambar, semmi olyant
nem irtam ami ne ferne bele az alabbi katagoriaba:

--
A "HIX Elektronikus Hirugynokseg tajekoztatoja"-bol :

....
FORUM
-----

Az olvasok kozeleti temaju irasait, hozzaszolasait, vitait kozli,
moderalas nelkul. Megjelenik minden olyan napon, amelyen iras erkezik be.

....
--

En mindkettot teljes mertekben kozeletinek tartottam, irasnak iras volt, 
meg a hozzaszolas kategoriaba is belefert volna ;-) 
Az egyik level a soc.culture.magyar  archivumot mutatta volna be 
http://mineral.umd.edu/soc.culture.magyar/,
a masik egy valasz volt Hollosi Jozsef kisse szarkasztikus 
megjegyzesere ( TIPP *** #1853), es fokeppen a "HIX Elektronikus 
Hirugynokseg" amerikai es magyar egyetemi forrasok felhasznalasaval 
foglalkozott. 
Mindket level el lett kuldva a TIPP-be es a FORUM-ba, remelhetoleg 
valamelyikben megtalalhato lesz. 
Minden jot,
Gotthard

I was raised in the Hungarian community of Toledo (circa l930 +) and
rembember my parents referring to a family named "OPRI" -  that was
with the short Hungarian "i".   Sorry, no other info is available but
I certainly recall their using the name.  Unfortunately that generation
is long gone, and with them the info.

Good luck   FJS

John Opre ) wrote:
: My Grandfather came to America in approx. 1910! Our family name is 
: Opre but some of the family think that the name may have been shortned
: when they arrived in New York. However his brothers came over a few
: years earlier and they went by Opre also. Does anyone know of the name
: Opre existing today in Hungary or some other name that it may be
: derived from. Any help will be appreciated.

:                                      John Opre
:                                        
-- 
> ========================================================================
  Frank J. Semetko  Columbus Ohio USA:
        OR   
> ========================================================================

Jeff Goldberg writes:

[....]

>Germany and England more or less believe in free trade and
>eastward expansion of the Union, the poorer EU countries are
>clearly against CE countries joining, and France wants more
>control over a smaller Union.  I am pessimistic, but not so
>pessimistic that I would suggest a change in policy on the CE
>countries' parts.  That is Poland, Bohemia, Hungary, and I
>suppose Slovakia, should continue to politely jump through
>the hoops that the EU demands they do without offering
>anything in return.  In many (but far from all) cases, those
>hoops can be good policies on their own.

If EU's peoples really want to further improve their standard
of living in a _long run_ they should invest (not only their ECU's)
in Central and Eastern European economies.  If they want to "enjoy"
10-12% or higher unemployment rates forever - have them keep
the status quo.  If the rich 15's business philosophy is demand
but give nothing or little in return (EU's trade barriers and
anti-"dumping" duties to CE & EE exports, like the most recent for
wooden pallets from Poland come to my mind), CE and EE countries should
look somewhere else for investment and economic cooperation.  Turkey is
an example of a EU wannabe whose EU dream has gone bust but evidently
its economy has not. Israel is another country which plays a double
card enjoying free trade with the US and close to a free one with EU. 
That's the way for Poland and others.

Regards,
Jerry O.

In article >, 
itachi.com writes:
|>     maybe it's old news, but it's news to me...
|>     
|>     i've just heard on the local pacifica radio station here in san 
|>     francisco that hungary has the highest suicide rate in the world (on a 
|>     per capita basis).  
|>     
|>     the rate in hungary is several times higher than finland's, which 
|>     occupies the second place in this particularly morbid statistic.  
|>     apparently, the rate of non-ethnic hungarians living in hungary 
|>     (slovaks, jews, romanians, etc.) is significantly lower than the one 
|>     of the pure breed magyars.  also, the rate for the hungarian ethnics 
|>     living in neighboring countries is higher than for the ethnic majority 
|>     in those countries.  i wonder if any similar statistics have been done 
|>     for the hungarian community in the usa, for instance?...
|>     
|>     apparently, there are no clear explanations for this so far.  
|>     however, it is interesting to note that hungary and finland occupy the 
|>     top places.  a genetic link perhaps? 
|>     
|>     any opinions?
|>     
|>     -cristian    
|>     
|>      
|>

I doubt that the genetic link can be the reason, because it is proved, that
there is hardly no genetic link between the Finnish and the Hungarian popu-
lation (there is some 90-99% difference) despite the language relationship.

Perhaps the lifestile (we are also on the top of list of the "best drinkers")
...

I do not know whether the geopolitical and geolinguistical situation can be
the reason (we are alone in the see of the Indoeuropeans), I doubt it. Suicide
usually a consequence of personal (family and sometimes professional) problems.

Anyhow high suicide rate was a common problem in the Monarchy (Austro-Hungarian
empire) for almost all the nationalities.

Pal

In >  (margaret loo
) writes: 
>

I have sent request for info to those subscription gurus back in July??
or whatever when I first read Janet posting.

Nobody ever called back, faxed or e-mailed requested info.

BE CAREFULL.

End of my msg. Anything below is a previous e-mail from Janet &
Margaret.

Jarek 

>In >

>(Janet Dove) writes: 
>>
>>Hi fellow 'netters,
>>
>>My name is Janet Dove and I recently started using a magazine
>subscription
>>club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription deal with
>your
>>first paid order
>
>so how much is the first "paid order"? Does it cover the "free" year
>PLUS the additional year(s) of subscription? In which case it is not
so
>free, nor is it such a bargain.
>
>>Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all
their
>>competitors and even the publishers themselves.
>
>This is not possible. If they offer a magazine less than the publisher
>can, then they are operating at a loss and no one can operate at a
loss
>on this kind of scale. If you mean that this is less than the
newsstand
>price, then every subscription is less than the newsstand price, so
>there's nothing new here.
>
> This is their price
>>guarantee.
>>
>>Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to
>one-half
>>of what the newstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On
>some
>>titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newstands charge. 
>
>You claim to be merely a subscriber, so how do you know so much about
>this company?
>
>   This is their price guarantee.
>
>If you do NOT represent this company, how can you be speaking of
>"guarantees"? Only those who sell a product can offer guarantees,
>otherwise a non-attached third party's claim of guarantee is worth
>nothing.
>
> Around one-half
>>their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
>>members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.
>
>Terrific!
>>
>>Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each
publisher
>and
>>cut-out all the middlemen.
>
>I can do this too by using the little cards that come with each issue.

>>
>>
>>They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 400K-big and
>>juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form below.  It has lists
>of
>>all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken
>down by
>>categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1000 of the titles
that
>>they sell.
>>
>>Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy*
>>student.
>
>If you are so busy, why did you just spend about an hour or two to
type
>up this message?
>
>  I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone
>>run my part-time software business!  Email them directly at:      

>>
>I don't believe that anyone should fall for this kind of sales. It's
so
>phony!!
>>
>>
>>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>>REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please copy this section only and email to:
>>                                        
>
>Hey! These people even have an e-mail address! So how come they
>couldn't write this ad themselves?
>
>And look at all the information you have to supply them! You might as
>well give them your life history!
>
>>Name:
>>Internet email address:
>>Smail home address:
>>City-State-Zip:
>>Country:
>>Work Tel. #:
>>Work Fax #:
>>Home Tel. #:
>>Home Fax #:
>>Name of USA mags you currently get on the newstand or in the store:
>>Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through
>the mail:
>>Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:
>>Catalogue format desired from below 2 choices (list "1" or "2"):
>>(1. 22-part email message;    2.  atttached file by email)
>>
>>{{{Note-  22-part email can be received by anyone with any computer.
>>Attached file format may not be for you:  it is sent as an
>uncompressed
>>400K file formatted in Microsoft World text only format, on a Mac; 
if
>you
>>don't use Microsoft Word on a Mac - you will have to know how to
>convert
>>into a usable text format.  We cannot help you with this.   If in
>doubt,
>>we suggest you go with the universally acceptable 22-part email
>message. 
>>You can always manually spend a few minutes pasting the parts into
one
>>whole.}}}
>>
>>How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the
area
>of
>>the internet that you saw us mentioned in):   Janet Dove
>>082595JVGV
>>*------------cut here-----------------------------------------------*
>>
>>
>>
>>They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices.
>
>Here's a third party who supposedly isn't attached to the company,
>giving a guarantee again!
>
> Sometimes they are
>>less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and
>other
>>times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate
>yet. 
>>They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.  
>>
>>They have been very helpful and helped me change my address from the
>USA
>>to Finland and then back again when I moved last month.
>
>Oh great!
>
>  They are very
>>knowledgeable about addressing mags worldwide.
>
>Again, if you are so unattached, how do you know that they are so
>knowledgeable? Just because they changed your address once or twice,
>back and forth between the US and Finland?
>>
>>They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine
>from
>>a special list of over 300 popular titles published in the USA.  
They
>>will give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid
order
>>with them to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500
>>different popular USA titles they sell.  
>>
>>They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they
>have
>>clients in around 35 or 36 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
>>charge for foreign postage and handling (on both paid and freebie
>subs)
>>that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to
be
>>very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address
>change
>>when I moved from one country to another.
>> 
>>The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as
>"members"
>>(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first
>>purchase automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about
>who
>>he accepts as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he
>>himself calls you personally on the phone to explain how he works his
>>deal, or sometimes he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of
>>quirky sometimes - he insists on setting up new members by phone so
he
>can
>>say hi to everyone (I sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!), 
>but
>>you can place future orders (after your first order) via E-mail.   
>>
>>He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to
>know
>>just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live
>overseas,
>>he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I
>think he
>>still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the
>long
>>distance rates are cheaper then.  
>>
>>He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied
>existing
>>members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up,
they
>had
>>a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that
they
>>could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you
>immediately
>>when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective
new
>>members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have
increased
>>their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the
>above
>>form to them, that is the way to get started!
>>
>>They will send you some FREE info. via E-mail (the short version
>(around
>>40K) of their catalogue, or if you request it the DELUXE LONG VERSION
>>(around 400K-big and juicey) !)...if you fill out the form near the
>top of
>>this message.
>>
>>They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the
>list of
>>free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of
>what
>>he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
>>no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you
personally
>and
>>answer all your questions.
>>
>>Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.  For more info,  just fill
>out
>>the form near the top of this message and email it to:      

>>
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Janet Dove
>
>
>Anyone who believes all this garbage deserves to be taken. You deserve
>to pay a high price because you can usually get a US magazine for
>whatever the publisher's US sale price is PLUS overseas shipping. You
>can't get it any cheaper than that. Don't pay attention to the
>newsstand price which is the price for SINGLE copies. You should deal
>only with the publisher and look for their little cards which they
>enclose with every magazine.
>There are lots of companies that try to sell magazines "cheaper" -
I've
>had 30 to 40 subscriptions going at one time and I've always found
that
>the cheapest is through the magazine itself.

In > "Béla P. Havasréti"
> writes: 
>
>Well, for what it's worth, my Aunt's first husbands last name was
Opra.
>Both were born in Hungary and came to the US around 1956-1957.  In
>Hungarian, Opra is pronounced "Oh-prah" with a long O.  BTW, I am a
first
>
>

In >  (John Opre )
writes: 
>
>My Grandfather came to America in approx. 1910! Our family name is 
>Opre but some of the family think that the name may have been shortned
>when they arrived in New York. However his brothers came over a few
>years earlier and they went by Opre also. Does anyone know of the name
>Opre existing today in Hungary or some other name that it may be
>derived from. Any help will be appreciated.
>
>                                     John Opre
>