Gregory Dandulakis wrote:
> 
> In article >, (-Surensoy,E.) wrote:
> ...
> >         Do you thing Alexander the Great, one of the most merciless Greek
> >         murderers of the history, has anything "to offer to the modern
> >         world" ???
> 
> Why you speak and it seems that your brain farts?
> What do you know about Alexander the Great?
> Obviously _nothing_.
> 
> Do you know that the Persian Empire had sucked
> and destroyed the whole Greece repeatedly, and
> it had reduced the most of Greece to a Persian
> Empire tax paying slavehood?  Alexander was me-
> rely revenging and creating a new world order
> incomparably more tolerant and cosmopolitan than
> the absolutist shithood that Xerxis and his gung
> had created.
> 
> But your blind anti-Islamic Kemalism leads you
> to deny one of the pillars of Islamic admiration,
> that is Alexander's _tolerant_, _dynamic_, _crea-
> tive_ world empire.
> 
> Alexander's legacy is deeply imprinted into Chri-
> stianity, Islam, _and_ Buddhism.  The cultural
> and scientific repercursions went beyond the
> Middle East, immensely facilitating the develop-
> ment of the whole Mediterranean, European, Indian
> and beyond world.
> 
> And all that, within a 13 years meteoric military
> and political career.
> 
> Gregory


Dear Gregory,

That was an absolutely beautiful posting!

Galina

In article >,
 > wrote:
>Fiuk, ez a kolcsonos nyelvoltogtes kezd eleg unalmas lenni.  Higyetek
>el, semmivel sem lesz kisebb a renometok, ha nem ragaszkodtok az utolso
>szohoz a koltovel valo kicsinyes vitaitokban.
>
>Joe

Marmint a kicsinyes latszatkoltovel valo vitakat erted. :-)
A viccet felreteve: sajnos tenyleg eleg nehez figyelmen kivul hagyni ezt a
bekepzelt, ontelt majmot aki magan kivul mindenkit alsobbrendunek kepzel. Teged
is ha eszrevetted korabbi irasaiban. Jelenlegi PLUNK rohama kicsit konnyebbe
teszi (kevesebb helyet foglal) de igazad van: unalmas. Nincs benne semmi
eredeti (amit mindig rajtunk keresett) semmi kreativ (amit szinten rajtunk
keresett). Annyi gerince meg nincs hogy belassa tevelygeseit.
Osszefoglalva: mivel sehova sem vezet a vita (nem tanul belole a 
szerencsetlen) tenyleg legjobb ha abbahagyjuk.
Mit gondolsz Gabor?
GK

In article >, 
 says...
>
>Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>>>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>>>            Simply incomprehensible!
>>>
>>>Well if you hadn't skipped your English 101 classes, you would have been
>>>able to unjumble the puzzle, by just reversing the order of the 4th and 
5th
>>>words. Can you see how easy it is, if you think?
>>But what can ya expect from a pseudo poet who writes poo-etry (creative
>>wordplay!). Willy contributes nada to society, he just takes up space.
>>Gabor
>
>C'mon, Gabor, I'm trying to educate this poor lost lamb! If we give him a 
>decade he might graduate to kindergarten! Besides he takes up much less 
space
>lately with his greatly reduced vocabulary, which consists of two words:
>irrelevent (wrong spelling) and PLUNK!
>GK
PLUNQUE

In article >, 
 says...
>Wally Keeler > wrote for the seventh (+/-5) time:
>>PLUNK!
>What a shining methaphore, what a brilliant creative wordplay, what a poem!
>NOT!
PLUNK!

Subject: Hungarians in Romania  ---(7)--- Education in Minority Language 
   (repost)
From: Anthony Malczanek >
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:20:28 -0800
Message-ID: >

The signing of the Romanian-Hungarian Basic Treaty (Oct. 1996) as well as
the results of the recent General Elections in Romania, open new hopes for
the 
opperssed minorities of the country.

For a better understanding of the Hungarian minority in Romania:

(7th posting: Education in Hungarian language in Romania)
       
       
       EDUCATION IN HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE IN ROMANIA
       ------------------------------------------
  
  Back for several centuries, Transylvania had a highly developped 
  educational system in Europe.
  At the beginning of this century the educational network in
Transylvania,
  in Hungarianan language, was performed at all levels.
  
  1. Between 1918-1945:
     ==================
  
  Between the two World Wars the Romanian laws aimed at liquidating 
  -----------------------------------------------------------------  
  the Hungarian educational system.
  --------------------------------  
  
  The provisions of the period were:   
  
  - decrees No. 100.090-100.088/1923 according to which geography and 
  history had to be taught in Romanian language and at the same time, 
  the state syllabus became compulsory in all the denominational schools; 
  
  - the 1924 public primary educational law forbade pupils of alleged 
  Romanian origin to attend Hungarian schools. At the same time it 
  created the so-called cultural areas in the Seclar counties. 
  This meant that ethnic Romanian teachers were settled down and granted 
  certain privileges such as a 50% increase in salary, bonuses and 
  allotment of land; 
  
  - the 1928 secondary school law demoted denominational secondary 
  schools to the rank of private schools. It centralized education as the 
  Ministry decided about nominations and the registration of 
  applications. 
  The teachers were pestered for their pretended lack of Romanian 
  language knowledge; 
  
  - the Public Educational Ministry allowed the publication of     
  textbooks which contained incitement and even calumny against the 
  Hungarian nation;   
  
  - the 1930 law ordained that 14% of the income of the  villages 
  must be used for educational purposes and shared inequal proportion 
  between state schools and denominational  primary schools. 
  In reality the funds were used to build and enlarge state schools; 
  
  - the secondary school law introduced compulsory qualifying and state 
  examinations in Romanian for teachers. This had bitterly affected 
  Hungarian denominational schools because many of the Hungarian 
  teachers were dismissed on this pretext;
  
  - communities were forced to establish state schools and  
  parents often sent their children to state schools because they 
  were exempted from tuition fees. 
  
  2. Between 1945-1989:
     ==================
  
  After World War II., in principle, the national minorities were granted 
  equal possibilities for studying at all levels. But de facto:
  
  - the 1948 school reform put an end to denominational  education and 
  the denominational schools were nationalized; 
  
  - the leading personalities of the Hungarian churches, cultural and 
  educational life were arrested and sent to prison; 
  
  - the Bolyai University in which teaching was performed in  Hungarian 
  language was closed down.
  
  As a consequence of all these facts the number of pupils and students 
  studying in their mother tongue has rapidly diminished.
  
  Changes occurring in this period between can be found in the Appendix 1.
  
  3. After 1989:
     ===========
  
  No Education Law existed between 1989 and 1995.  
  
  Decree number 29.633/04.05.1993 issued by the Ministry of Education 
  proved centralized views:
  
  -  As a consequence of this decree no teacher can leave the country 
  without the approval of the Ministry.
 
  - There is no independent educational system (from nursery school to 
  university) to meet the needs of approximately 2 million Hungarians
  in Romania.
 
  - The reopening of the arbitrarily closed down Hungarian language
  university is not permitted.
 
  - The national minorities are not properly represented in the ruling 
  educational organizations. 
  
  - Churches are not allowed to reopen denominational schools.
  
  - There are no adequate textbooks for teaching in mother tongue. 
  
  - It is compulsory to teach the history and geography of 
  Romania in Romanian language. 
  
  - The history, culture and traditions of the national minorities are 
  subjects that are not included in the syllabus.
  
  In August 1995 a controversial Education Law was voted (in contradiction

  with the Constitution and Interantional agreements, Romania has 
  signed).
  
  This law is more discriminatory, and with a stronger anti-Hungarian 
  and anti-minority character, than the similar laws and regulations
  of the Ceausescu era:
  
  - It prescribes the forced establishment of Romanian teaching units
  in every locality.
  
  - It forbids the teaching of many subjects in the mother tongue,
  including the whole vocational education.
  
  - It winds up existing Hungarian professional schools and classes.
  
  - It eliminates the possibility of denominational education,
  nationalizing once again and definitively schools confiscated from the
  churches.
  
  - It forbids the establishment of independent Hungarian universities
  and higher education institutes
  
  - It regulates the system of admission examinations in such a way, 
  the Hungarian students are forced to attend schools with teaching in the
  Romanian language, as they cannot take their entrance examination to
higher
  education institutes in their mother tongue.
       
  
  The Hungarian community in Romania found this law  unacceptable.  
  Repeated appeals for a dialogue about the problems of
  education with representatives of the government, had no echo.
  Consequently the Hungarian Community in Romania launched an Appeal to
  the democratic world for help. (see Appendix no.2)     
  
  _________________________________________________________________
   
   Appendix no 1. 
   --------------
   
   Changes in the Number of Pupils Who Learn Their Native Language
 
  between 1948 and 1989 (Absolute Figures)

Educational forms               1948/49           1964/65          1989/90
Kindergarden                    157.934           359.076          833.000
------------
Romanians                       125.260           308.816          776.048
Hungarians                       27.101            35.902           45.350
Germans                           4.125            12.926           10.518
Other nationalities               1.448             1.432            1.089
   
Elementary school               1.791.182       2.996.754        2.934.030

-----------------
Romanians                       1.576.218       2.752.661        2.247.578
Hungarians                        166.475         196.415          161.779
Germans                            25.997          41.137           82.022
Other nationalities                22.492           6.591            1.820
Secondary school                   69.396         340.777        1.396.000

----------------
Romanians                          55.374         323.627        1.359.902
Hungarians                          2.969           4.749           31.637

Germans                               692           2.078            4.047
Other nationalities                   368              23              417
__________________________________________________________________________
 

Appendix no. 2
==============
 
                             APPEAL
                             ======
 
 
       The Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania has been pursuing
since its formation a consistent political fight for the democratization
of the Romanian society, the European integraton of Romania and the equity
in rights of our ethnic Hungarian community of 2 million people.  We have
always considered that those aims cannot be separated from each other, and
it is not possible to build real democracy for the majority while
depriving
the minority of its most fundmental rights.
       On the other hand we wished to reach our endeavours--endeavours of
the community we represent by strictly constitutional and legal means;
in our parliamentary work we tried to serve both general and specific
democratic interests at the same time.
       For more than seventy-five years the ethnic Hungarian community in
Romania has been threated by elimination, being subjected to various ways
of aggressive assimilation by the different Romanian governments.  This
intention did not cease to exist after 1989. On the contrary, the
extremist, xenophobic, anti-Hungarian forces representing it act even more
openly.  Anti-Hungarian incitements, fascist instigation became accepted
in the Romanian Parliament and unfortunately Romanian politicians
concerned with real democracy also watch helplessly how the leadership of
the country is more and more dangerously shifted toward an extremist
direction.
       The most recent and the most critical evidence for this intention
of cultural genocide and its step-by-step realization, is the Education 
Law, adopted by the parliament.  In the following period this law
will be an efficient tool to destroy education in the mother tongue, by
continuing and strengthening the  methods of the communist dictatorship, 
before 1989.
This law is categorically more discriminatory, with a stronger
anti-Hungarian and anti-minority character, than the similar laws and
regulations of the Ceausescu era:
     - It prescribes the forced establishment of Romanian teaching units
in every locality.
     - It forbids the teaching of many subjects in the mother tongue,
including the whole vocational education.
     - It winds up existing Hungarian professional schools and classes.
     - It eliminates the possibility of denominational education,
nationalizing once again and definitively schools confiscated from the
churches.
     - It forbids the establishment of independent Hungarian universities
       an

In article >,
Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>In article >,
> > wrote:
>>Fiuk, ez a kolcsonos nyelvoltogtes kezd eleg unalmas lenni.  Higyetek
>>el, semmivel sem lesz kisebb a renometok, ha nem ragaszkodtok az utolso
>>szohoz a koltovel valo kicsinyes vitaitokban.
>>
>>Joe
>
>Marmint a kicsinyes latszatkoltovel valo vitakat erted. :-)
>Mit gondolsz Gabor?

Engem inkabb a csomo kis vita a romanokkal meg szlovakokkal untatott, de ha 
valaki azt elvezi, akkor miert legyek valami jo elrontoja? Megnyomtam az "n" 
billentyut, es kesz.

Bar, amit szandekoztam, elertem az ismeretlen latszatkoltovel szemben: most mar
teljesen biztos vagyok benne, hogy egy tehetsegtelen barom, mint ahogy
felesege is az.

Azt, hogy mit csinalj, Gyuri, ne tolem kerdezd! Ha jonak latod, huzzal be
annak a majom kanadainak! Ha nagyon beidegesit, biztos, hogy irni fogok.

Gabor

CLARY Olivier > wrote:
>
>Hé, olvasd el mégegyszer! Éppen azt mondom, hogy Te és más magyarok
>*nem* szórtok "mérget" oda es így messze álltok attól, amit csinálnak
>a románok egymás között!

Hat akarhanyszor is olvasom ujra azt, amit irtal:

>given how much poison
>and insults fly among Romanians on s.c.romanian, far more than what
>Joe or other Hungarians ever write there.

-- ez valahogy nem hangzik bo'knak.  Legfeljebb annak elismerese, hogy
vannak ott az s.c.r.-en, akik meg nalam is tobb merget es inzultust 
osztottak ki.  Ezt az interpretaciot sugallja egyebkent korabbi hozzaallasod
is irantam.  No de az, hogy igy velekedsz rolam, nem izgat kulonosebben.
Azt inkabb talalom erdekesnek, hogy bevallott es demonstralt
magyarsagismereted ellenere, nem emlekszem, hogy valaha is nyilvanosan
kialltal volna a magyarsag vedelmeben, akarmilyen abszurd tamadasok is
ertek azt itt az Interneten.  Vehemenciad szinte kizarolag olyanokra
tartogatod, akik nem hagyjak szo nelkul az olyan tamadasokat, s
tortenetesen nem osztjak baloldali nezeteidet.  Az ilyenek elazatatasara
meg azt sem rostelled, hogy a magyarsag ellensegeivel kerulj egy
oldalra.  Hadd ne idezzek egy esetet erre ...

>Egyébként a román szöveget tobbé-kevésbé értettem, es ezért irtam fent,
>hogy az ilyen cikk nem érdekes, mert annyira elrugaszkodott a román
>news-csoporton tapasztalt valóságtól.

Felteteleztem egy ilyen lehetoseget, bar en elobb lattam a holgy
valaszat, mint az azt kikeszteto cikket.  Mindenesetre arra gondolnia
kellett volna, hogy az eredetileg angol cikkre adando roman szovegu
valasz felreertesre adhat alkalmat a romanul nem tudok szamara.

Megjegyzem, hogy a romanok imponaloan utasitjak vissza mostanaban a
koztuk levo neanderthaliak kiszolasait, s ez ad okot egy kis optimizmusra.
Nem emlekszem ilyesmire korabban.

Pannon J.

Pellionisz a mindenttudo egy ket evvel megjosolta - sot
hozzatette, hogy amikor bejon majd azt fogja mondani hogy "I
told you so" amikor Clintonekat kisoprik a feher hazbol
96-ban az amerikai konzervativ forradalom kereteben. E bolcs
joslataval indokolta azt is hogy magyarorszagnak jobboldali
kormany kell hiszen a gyoztes amerikai konzervativ jobboldal
(Newt Gingrichtol vezetve?) csak egy hasonloan konzervativ
magyar kormanyban bizna meg, csak azt
tamogatna. Arroganciajaban addig ment hogy azokat akik
ellenvelemenyen voltak nem igazan hizelgo jelzokkel is
illetett. Kijelntesehez persze sokan tarsultak akik vagy
hittek hogy Pellionisz birtokaban van  abolcsek kove, vagy
azonos velemenyen voltak, es Pellionisz cimkeit es
allitasait megalappozottnak talaltak.

A kerdes felmerul - kire vonatkoznak a jelzok most? 

Istvan

In article >, 
 says...
>
>In article >,
>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>>
>>>SENTENCE 2: "We learned about age that in history class!"
>>>            Simply incomprehensible!
>>
>>Well if you hadn't skipped your English 101 classes, you would have been
>>able to unjumble the puzzle, by just reversing the order of the 4th and 
5th
>>words. Can you see how easy it is, if you think?
>
>But what can ya expect from a pseudo poet who writes poo-etry (creative 
>wordplay!). Willy contributes nada to society, he just takes up space.
>Gabor
      PLOP!

In article >, 
 says...
>In article >,
>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>
>Poetician? What's that? Is it in the Oxford Dic?
>Poetency? What's that? Is it in the Oxford Dic?
>Did willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist come up with 
these
>non-words? You really suck, willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial
>artist.
>>>PLUNK!
>>Very nice. You can go on to potty training now.
>I don't know...I think he used up all his brain cells thinking about that 
word.
>I think willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist should be the
>poster-boy for birth control.
>Ah, heck, I recommend that we vote willy, the canadian pseudo poet and
>artificial artist the "resident imbecile of scm" or riscum! Or is it better 
as
>"scm resident imbecile" scumri? He's already a resident imbecile in the 
pseudo
>republic of pseudo poetry (ripropp)!
>Gabor
      PRZT-PLOP!

Subject: Whose Language? Whose Education? (was Re: Hungarians in Romania 
---(7)--- Education in Minority Language     (repost)
From: Mihai Caragiu >
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 03:30:06 GMT
Message-ID: >

Whose Language? Whose Education?
Editorial by David Wingrove

(fragments from an older paper from the Romanian Press Review)


[...] The Hungarian Democratic Union (better known as UDMR) claims
to speak for Romania's 1.6 million ethnic Hungarians. In an official
statement,
UDMR has attacked the Education Law as "more anti-Hungarian, and more
anti-minorities, than all the legislation of the Communist regime."
Representatives of the much-smaller Polish and Armenian communities felt
strongly enough to add their signatures to the protest. But what does
this
dreaded Education Law actually involve?

The text of the Education Law does far more to guarantee
minority-language
education than to prevent it. Under the law, any sizeable language
minority has
the right to primary and secondary education in its mother-tongue. Once
minority students get to university, they may conduct specialized study
in
their native language - provided their basic professional training takes
place
in the official language of the country - Romanian.

There are those in UDMR who view this as an outrage. They want the
guaranteed
right to full third-level education in their own language. It is only
natural
that those born and brought up in a language should wish to speak it at
work.
It is also only natural that the Ministry of Education should wish to
train
professionals who can talk to each other - if necessary - without means
of an
interpreter.

The training of Hungarian-language professionals is not just a question
of
training. It is also a question of where those professionals will work
once
their training is complete. If minority students are educated in
isolation from
the majority, most will isolate themselves still further once they
graduate. To
pretend they will not do this is to pretend that education has no
effect. To
mis-quote Muriel Sparks' school-teacher Miss Jean Brodie, "Give me a
minority
language-speaker at an impressionable age, and he is mine for life!" A
professional education in Hungarian would direct graduates to work
almost
exclusively in those areas of Transylvania that have a large
concentration of
Hungarians.

But how many doctors, lawyers, engineers and researchers can a community
of 1.6
million people hope to absorb? Training someone to work within a narrow
ethnic
community may have been practical 100 years ago, when most people could
be
relied on to make a career in their native town. In the 1990s, fewer and
fewer
people make a career in their native country - never mind in their
native town,
region or province. Less and less professional communication takes place
on a
local level. More and more of it is national and - yes - international.

By insisting on full third-level education in Hungarian, UDMR activists
are not
just flying in the face of the Romanian government. They are flying in
the face
of the whole world. If UDMR gets what it wants, the Hungarian community
will
become more insular and isolated within Romania. Difficulty in finding
work
outside the Hungarian community will add to the myth that Hungarians in
Romania
are second-class citizens. If anyone does want to be a second-class
citizen,
then minority-language education is the way to go about it.

Nobody - not even the most unpleasant extremists in certain political
parties -
would dispute the right of ethnic Hungarians to keep their language and
culture, in areas where that language and culture are essential. On a
recent
visit to Tirgu Mures, I missed a chance to see Peter Schaffer's Equus
performed
by a Hungarian theatre company in Hungarian. (I have always found this
play
rather dreary, and thought Hungarian might improve it!) However, in
areas where
national and international communication are indispensable, Hungarian
activists
would do well to recognise that the future is not to be found within
their
narrow interests.

International and, particularly, European observers would do well to
step out
of the minority language dispute. If they allow the dust to settle a
bit, they
may get a rare glimpse of reality. Despite its troubled history and its
undeniably chaotic present, Romania is a largely successful multi-ethnic
society. "Largely" is an important word here. With the possible
exception of
Switzerland, an entirely successful multi-ethnic society does not exist,
and
never has. International bodies have been ready to overlook the many
things
Romania does wrong - when it suits their political agenda to do so.
Amazing
that they cannot forgive one of the few things Romania does right!

(Editor's note: David Wingrove is a free-lance journalist based in
Bucharest.
He can be reached through the Romanian Press Review offices at Tel:
(40-1)
312-6237 or E-mail: )

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This was forwarded to me from Gotthard Saghi-Szabo and Unicum at Univ.
of Maryland:

A LEGACY ENVISIONED : A century of Hungarian modern art

Nov/6/1996-Dec/4/1996
WEDNESDAYS: 6:30pm - 7:30pm
SATURDAYS:  4pm - 5pm

World Bank
Gallery E-12
701 19th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC

Open to individuals and groups - by appointment only (at least 24 hour
in
advance)
info/reservations - (202) 362-6730 or
FAX (202) 686-6412

I visited a similar exhibit a few years ago and it is definitely
worthwhile.

HipCat

-- 
Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/

In article >  writes:
>Azt inkabb talalom erdekesnek, hogy bevallott es demonstralt
>magyarsagismereted ellenere, nem emlekszem, hogy valaha is nyilvanosan
>kialltal volna a magyarsag vedelmeben, [...]

En emlekszem ra. A romanoknak egy jo resze kezdett gyanut fogni es
felreerteni engem utana, pedig csak informaciokkal szolgaltam es kerdeztem.
Mindig nagyon mersekelten irtam, Te pedig inkabb elvezted az "ellenseg"
szerepedet... Most eppen azon gondolkozom, erdemes-e reagalnom az egyik,
kulonosen magyargyulolo irasra (reg nem irtam ott es csak nehany hete
olvasom ujra a valasztasok miatt). Vagyis foleg van-e ra idom...

>Az ilyenek elazatatasara
>meg azt sem rostelled, hogy a magyarsag ellensegeivel kerulj egy
>oldalra.  Hadd ne idezzek egy esetet erre ...

Az ilyen az Te vagy :-) Igen, emlekszem, olyan szelidnek mutatkoztal,
mar orultek is a romanok, hogy vegre egy megerto magyar... Illett megis
kiabranditani oket, ugyse volt tarthato ez sokaig.

>[...]
>Megjegyzem, hogy a romanok imponaloan utasitjak vissza mostanaban a
>koztuk levo neanderthaliak kiszolasait, s ez ad okot egy kis optimizmusra.

Biztos a valasztasok tesznek nekik jot. :-) Kulonben lattad, hogy valami
koalicios szerepre is szamithat az RMDSz? Persze ez csak ideiglenes, es ugy
se fognak hallgatni ra egyelore, de azert megtortent az elso lepes
egy nyiltabb, demokratikusabb, onkritikusabb orszag fele.

-- Udv: Olivier
(most ekezet nelkul, mert ilyen az ingyenes minitel-terminal)
-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

Christina Magyar > wrote:
>
>The new words are Kiraly, Szuper, Batman, Irto Jo.

Hmm, how "Kiraly" and "Batman" got into that position is a puzzle to me!

But thanks anyway,
Joe Pannon

Charles M. Vamossy > wrote:
>Erdekes, hogy meg az altalunk kevesbe fejlodottnek tartott  roman
>demokratikus tarsadalom is megadja a szavazasi jogot es lehetoseget a
>kulfoldon elo allampolgaroknak.  Ugyanakkor Magyarorszagon a parlamenti
>tobbseg es a Miniszterelnok ezt a jogot ellenzi,

Hat legalabb kovetkezetesek, hiszen az erdelyi magyarokat sem tartjak
masnak, mint Romanoknak.  Akkor meg miert szamitanank mi idekintn
magyaroknak?  Mi, akik a "nagy joletet" valasztottuk az o kuzdelmes
eletuk helyett...  Az a Romanok problemaja, hogy nem igy gondolkoznak.

Pannon Jozsi

Mihai Caragiu > wrote:
< The diet of Torda voted in 1568 religious freedom for exactly
<four rites, i.e., the four churches of the three "favorite
<nations": the Evangelical, the Lutheran, the Roman-Catholic
<and the Unitarian Church. Wesselenyi counts like this: 3 "Received 
<Nations" + 4 "Received Religions" = 7 Deadly Sins of Transylvania!
<A significant part, if not the majority, of the inhabitants of 
<Transylvania belonged to the "Non-Received" Orthodox Church, so 
<it is hard to agree with the official hungarian point of view 
<on this subject... The Romanians lived then in the...empty half
<of the glass.

 Mihai, you are not familiar with the history of Transylvania. Although in Tord
a
the Evangelical,the Lutheran, the Roman-Catholic and the Unitarian Churches wer
e
declared as a major ones for Transylvania,   other minorities like romanian and
 
jewish could practice their  religions. With the increase of the number of 
romanian settlements in Transylvania they got more rights in terms of
religion. In 1609 Gabor Bathory granted serf emancipation for romanians popes, 
and in 1627 Gabor Bethlen for the first time appointed a head of the Orthodox 
Church in Transylvania in the Metropolit rank.
At that time romanians were far from majority in Transylvania as you admit. 
According to available documents by the middle of 17-th century romanians 
reached 1/3 of the entire population there.
 Thus, it was not so bad, especially compared to moldavian "csangos", or Greek-
 
Catholic belivers in Romania, almost 400 years after...
Regards, istvan

In article > ,  writes:
>pina

Tamas

Gabor Barsai wrote:

> >Meteorologia. Ja nem, Prognozis. Voros Istvan (ha jol emlexem a nevere)
> >(volt) egyuttese.
....
> Tenyleg, Prognozis. Mar nem letezik?
> 
> Gabor
En nem tudom, de talan nehany eve hallottam, talan valami interjuban,
hogy V.I. addig kulfoldon zenelt ettermekben, es most (akkor) hazajott,
hogy ismet bekapcsolodjon a magyar pop eletbe. Oszinten szolva nekem
csak az az egy szam tetszett, amirol kerdeztel, boldogult `tinti'
eveimben az unokabatyam lemezjatszojan halgattam recsegosre ezt az egy
szamot...

kAos

Magyar has a causative suffix -tat/-tet, -at/-et to make the action of
verbs compulsory, e.g., enekelni, sing, enekeltetni, make s.o. sing.

Arabic has a similar causative suffix attached to verb stems. [tat].

What is the latest on the relationship of Ugric and Semitic languages, if
any?

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 wrote:
> 
> In article >,  > wrote:
> >Subject:
> >              A T E N T I E U N G A R I A !
> >        Date:
> >              3 Nov 1996 22:04:01 -0500
> >       From:
> >               (MMarin3340)
> >Organization:
> >              America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> > Newsgroups:
> >              soc.culture.romanian
> >
> >
> >Ce cauta frati romani comentarii unguresti de doi bani ,
> >intre comentariile si discutiile ROMANILOR !
> >Fac otrava  in tara , fac otrava si aici ,  pina la urma o sa moara
> >otraviti!
> >
> >
> >I G N O R A T I I  !
> >
> >
> >A C E L A S I.
> 
> Now how about giving the translation?  Otherwise what's the point
> posting Romanian text on a Hungarian news group?

Ha tenyleg nem erted, Jozsi, en leforditom:
" roman testverek, mit keresnek ketgarasos(azaz azt sem ero) magyar 
kommentarok a ROMANOK kommentarjai es beszelgetesei mellett(kozott) !
Mergeznek az orszagban(hazaban) is, mergeznek itt is, a vegen
mergezettkent halnak meg !

> Ha mar itt tartunk, melyik egyuttes enekelt valami olyasmit, hogy:
> 
> "En az idot nem sajnalom, csak elni szeretnek
> Hagyjatok elni!"

Meteorologia. Ja nem, Prognozis. Voros Istvan (ha jol emlexem a nevere)
(volt) egyuttese.

kAos