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In article >,
    () wrote:
>Igazan?  Miert, szerinted mi a sajtoszabadsag?  Az csak a veled
>egyetertoknek szol?

Mi a sajtoszabadsag? Teszemazt irok egy cikket egy ujsagnak es az 
nem jelenteti meg, akkor nincs sajtoszabadsag?

Miert kellene a bp.-i intezetnek tamogatnia Odor ur levelezeset?
Mindenki irhat amit akar, de hogy a terjeszteshez kotelezo lenne 
a felteteleket keszen adni, az nem tartozik a sajtoszabadsaghoz.

Odr ur elofizethet a szamos mo.-i internetszolgaltato 
barmelyikenel egy kis nacionalista propagandaterjesztesre, es 
senki nem szolhat egy szot sem. De miert kellene ingyen 
biztositani ehhez neki a lehetoseget?

Hol van a tanyasi paraszt sajtoszabatsaga, akinel meg villany 
sincs nemhogy internet. (Figyeljuk meg a demagogia hatasat a 
konnymirigyekre e mondatban :)

Ebben az ertelmezesben sajtoszabadsaga csak annak, volna aki 
rendelkezik egy ujsaggal. Adjunk tehat mindenkinek penzt egy 
ujsag grundolasara?

Ha nem dolgoznek akademiai intezmenynel valoszinuleg en is 
sajnalnam a penzt internetes elmenckedesre, de nem kiabalhatnek, 
hogy ezzel vege a sajtoszabadsagnak.

Vegul teljesen komolyan nem szeretnem ha Odor ur eltunne a 
"palettarol" es ez vonatkozik a Pellionisz et al. csoportra is.
A gyozelem teljesen erdektelen, a harc szorakoztato.

>
>Kulonben tenyleg jol tudsz magyarul! ;-) 

Hat igen, az elozo levelben volt egy mondat, ahol "nem jottek 
ossze" a ragok, szegyellem, de elkuldtem mielott elolvastam 
volna.

>
>PJ

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

pls and enough.


Am I,

A Stroke of Luck or a Gift from God?

The Hand of Fate or Devil's Claw?

From Below or Saints above?

©Copyleft KrazyJas® 1996

In article >,
    (heringer) wrote:
>In article >,  
says...
>>In particular I can remember machines where the 
>>coffee seller pulled down a handle to force the
>>water through the coffee. I think those machines
>>have class.

I cannot help but those arms are not to foce the water but for 
timing. The machine has a continous steam pressure and this arms 
are to let and to not let the steam go through the coffee I 
guess.
You also have to consider the excelent skills of the ladies 
making the coffee on those machines in mixing used and new 
(or not that much used) coffee :)


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

 () wrote:

>Mamma mia, is "lakatos" another of those words we borrowed from Romanian?
>And here I was thinking it was the other way around.

The most famous "Lacatus" I know is most probably, from an ethnic
viewpoint,  neither Romanian nor Hungarian. But he is one heck of a
good soccer player.

>>And it's interesting to learn that Nadia Comaneci is a romanized Hungarian
>>;-)

>Actually, it's been a kind of rumor a long time that she was of Chango
>background with original name of Kemenes.

Yeah, but similar rumors claimed her as Russian or Ukrainian.

>Oh, BTW, ...  we do consider the Changos of
>Hungarian (or rather Szekely) origin even though in their centuries old
>isolation they are at an advanced stage of assimilation.

Hmmm, I thought the Hungarian viewpoit is that Csangos were initially
Cumans. Therefore, Cuman----->Coman (common Romanian
name)---->Comaneci :-)

Regards,

Liviu Iordache

 (Dan Pop) wrote:

>The name of an ancestor
>was Lupu (a common Romanian name, derived from "lup", which is wolf in
>Romanian), then it was magyarized to Farkas, then Farkas was
>transliterated to Romanian as Farcas, because its owner was Romanian.

The Romanian Lupu was MAGYARIZED to Farkas (I guess all those agents
in charge of implementing the Apponyi Laws were using a  pocket
edition of the Hungarian-Romanian dictionary ) but the Hungarian
Farkas was TRANSLITERATED into Romanian Farcas (why wasn't changed
back to Lupu? The pocket edition of the above mentioned dictionary had
been exhausted). Now, this is what I call argumentation! I like it!
Especially that subtle nuance: in the first stage  is magyarization,
in the second one is plain transliteration.

How about this: Latin furca (fork)---->Romanian
Furcas---->transliterated into  Hungarian Farkas---->romanized back to
Farcas? 

Liviu Iordache

Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>
>Szemelyszerint en sajnalnam ha kitiltanak mert mindig jol 
>szorakozom a bohosagain, de ennek, mar megbocsat, semmi koze a 
>sajtoszabadsaghoz.

Igazan?  Miert, szerinted mi a sajtoszabadsag?  Az csak a veled
egyetertoknek szol?

Kulonben tenyleg jol tudsz magyarul! ;-) 

PJ

In article >,  says...
>
>Hello,
>
>I remember from the time I was staying in Hungary
>about 5 years ago how there were 'Presszo' cafes
>everywhere.
>
>I would be interested in buying one of those large
>Hungarian espresso machines designed for cafes that
>can handle a continuous flow of customers. Is there
>anyone out there who can help me out by finding the
>name and contact information of a company which
>makes these machines, or of someone who sells them.
>
>In particular I can remember machines where the 
>coffee seller pulled down a handle to force the
>water through the coffee. I think those machines
>have class.
>
>
>Bill Smith
>
>e-mail: 
>

-- 
Why don't you go to Italian places, like Faema?  They have the best 
espresso machines.

In news:,  wrote:

>Mamma mia, is "lakatos" another of those words we borrowed from Romanian?
>And here I was thinking it was the other way around.

  Recent research has proven that the word was used beginning with
the 5th century b.Ch. in Altai- Ural area. It was pronounced lhâkhő dűshoo
and at first was denominating the local sword dancer.
  Time passed by and people noted that the word started to be used
by non-authorized persons, so they claimed rights upon it, and they won.
  All what the rest of the world could do now (besides pulling their hair
off) was to sit back and watch how one of the oldest professions in the
world was being brought to ruin.
  The altaian-uralese people noticed that too, but it was too late.
As often happens in this darwinian world, just the tamed version of the
sword-dancers survived. They were wandering in very small groups, sharpening
swords at the beginning, and after a while just sickles and scissors...

Yes, it was this sad...

td

Liviu Iordache > wrote:
>
>The most famous "Lacatus" I know is most probably, from an ethnic
>viewpoint,  neither Romanian nor Hungarian. But he is one heck of a
>good soccer player.

Yeap!  I enjoyed watching him.  Actually, when I was pointing to names
that sounded Romanized Hungarian names, my point was more general than 
Dan picked up on.  Even though the ones I mentioned may have been off
base (after all, I don't know Romanian), I'm sure people, like Matyas
could find genuine examples of Romanized Hungarian names, just as you
guys can find Hungarianized Romanian names.  This is only natural with 
intermixed ethnic groups.

>>Actually, it's been a kind of rumor a long time that she was of Chango
>>background with original name of Kemenes.
>
>Yeah, but similar rumors claimed her as Russian or Ukrainian.

I hope by mentioning it as a rumor, it's not taken as a blind belief.

>Hmmm, I thought the Hungarian viewpoit is that Csangos were initially
>Cumans. Therefore, Cuman----->Coman (common Romanian
>name)---->Comaneci :-)

That theory is new to me.  I think the Kemenes -> Comenici
transformation is more plausible on the similarity of their sounding.
But again, we are talking here about unsubstantiated rumors, so it's not
worth to lose sleep over.

Joe

In article >,
g  > wrote:
>
>"Perseverare..., perseverare" (diabolicum ;-)

I'm trying, George, I'm trying ...  But this Dan is so hard to please,
you know.  When a glass is half full, he always sees it half empty. ;-)
He is not a good sport at all. 

Joe

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 wrote:

> >Hmmm, I thought the Hungarian viewpoit is that Csangos were initially
> >Cumans. Therefore, Cuman----->Coman (common Romanian
> >name)---->Comaneci :-)
> 
> That theory is new to me.  I think the Kemenes -> Comenici
> transformation is more plausible on the similarity of their sounding.

 Just for fun, there is a town called "Comanesti" in the same area with
Onesti (birthplace of Nadia Comaneci). That shows that the root "Coman"
is rather common in that region - so it is more plausible to think that
Comaneci was derived from Coman than from Kemenes.
 In fact, Nadia herself said a couple of times that the rumours were un-
justified.

> But again, we are talking here about unsubstantiated rumors, so it's not
> worth to lose sleep over.

 Right...

  Cheers, 
                                                Marius Iacomi

In article >,
    () wrote:
>Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>>Van ebben valami magyar, hatha valaki nem hallotta:
>>
>>Az agressziv kismalac setal az erdoben es beleesik egy mely 
>>godorbe ahonnan nem tud kimaszni.
>>Arra jon a nyuszi, meglatja es leszol neki:
>>- Szerbusz agressziv kismalac, varj mindjart hozok segitseget.
>>- Nem varok ! 
>
>Pretty funny!  However, didn't you write in the HUNGARY list 
recently
>that you did not know Hungarian?  This little story is in pretty 
good
>Hungarian!
>
>Joe
No, I do not write to lists, only to SCM but it may be taken over 
by lists.

I am Hungarian (having a blue passport only or more precisely two 
of them due to an administrative misstake). I was born an raised 
in Hungary. Only the last 5 years I spent in Switzerland but 
sooner or later I 'll go back home.
(I learnt all my English in Switzerland too, so accept my 
apologies :)


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

"P.S." > wrote:


sigh.... ....


Am I,

A Stroke of Luck or a Gift from God?

The Hand of Fate or Devil's Claw?

From Below or Saints above?

©Copyleft KrazyJas® 1996

Van itt egy vicc amit nagyon szeretek es gyakran meselek 
tarsasagban. Mindig erdekes megfigyelni, hogy mennyire 
erthetetlen ez a tortenet demokratikus hagyomanyokkal rendelkezo 
orszagokban.
(A vicc heves taglejtessel a szereploket megjelenitve mondando)

Megy a vampir az erdoben es meglat egy farkast.
Homlokara csap, elovesz egy fekete noteszt, es hangosan betuzve 
feljegyzi: "Holnap farkasreggeli!"
"Van valamilyen kerdes, megjegyzes?" fordul nyajasan a farkashoz.
A farkas remeg, teljesen halalravalt, csak nehezen tudja 
kinyogni: "semmi".
Setal tovabb a vampir az erdoben es egyszer csak talalkozik a 
medvevel.
Hatalmasat csap a homlokara, elokapja noteszet, es bejegyzi:
"Holnap medveebed!"
"Van valamilyen kerdes, megjegyzes?" kerdezi tularado 
udvariassagggal a medvet.
"Semmi" nyogi remegve a medve.
A vampir tovabb setalgat es osszefut a nyuszival.
Homlokara csap, es megintcsak hangos narracio kisereteben jegyzi 
fel: "Holnap nyulvacsora!"
"Van valamilyen kerdes, megjegyzes?" hangzik a szokasos kerdes, 
mire a nyuszi remegve:
"Eeee... csak azt szeretnem kerdezni, hogy nem-e lehetne eeee... 
kihuzni?"
"Miert is ne!" kozli a vampir vallat randitva, es egy lenduletes 
mozdulattal kihuzza az utolso bejegyzest.


(Most lehet rohogni, de vigyazzunk, oldottan, szivbol!)


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Tamas Kocsis has difficulties in comprehending 
an entire message.
Here is the quote from Mr. Kocsis:

>It seems to me you did not get what Adrian exactly said.
>He said that who considered him/herself Hungarian but
>was of different (Romanian) origin was not Hungarian. I would
>not like to go into details on what kinda politics is that when
>someone wants to decide tha others ethnicity against their
>will. I don't think it was intentional he just not thought
>it over

Now here is the the entire relevant part of my original
message:
>Tamas recently referred to the results of a
>1910 census in Cluj as "the ethnic composition".
>
>This is pure falsehood.
>
>A census regarding ethnicity was never done in
>Austria-Hungary. The only question that was posed,
>and came close to that, was: "which language do
>you know/speak best?". Considering the neglect of
>Romanian education system in Transylvania up to
>that time, even sincere answers of Romanian 
>ethnics would gravitate towards Hungarian.

Should I explain it again?
Because the Hungarian authorities did not support
Romanian-language education, the Romanian population
did not have a fair chance of mastering their own
mother tongue while the Hungarian language was forced
down their throats, so volens-nolens they knew it
better. Since the question asked in the census was
"which language do you know/speak best?", even 
sincere answers of Romanian ethnics would gravitate 
towards Hungarian. 
I agree with you that the Romanians were mostly
village dwellers, but those who made it "to the big
city" were probably more educated and with at least
high school, where it's likely they have studied
in Hungarian, so the language they knew/speak best 
was ...

Regards,
Adrian

To complete Mr.Marius Iacomi's brief reply, you will find in Maramures 
county, too, an impressive lot of "Coman" names suggesting the dispersion 
of the ancient Cuman (pecenegi) tribes. The same phenomenon around the 
Bucharest city...

    Cheers, Valerius M. Ciuca.

In >, TU Vienna > writes:
>[...]
>Ez egy altalanos tamadas a velemeny nyilvanitas szabadsaga ellen.
>[...]

Micsoda rettenetes onteltseg kellhet ennek a mondatnak a leirasahoz!
Elvakult tulzas mar a gondolat lehetosege is, hogy az on szemelyevel
es/vagy irasaival kapcsolatban, keves Odor ur, _barmifele_ "tagasabb
kontextusba helyezes" ertelmes volna.  Engedjen meg ennyi kritikat.

A dolog erdemi reszehez pedig (ha van neki ilyen):  az, ha az on
(munkahelyi, hivatalos!)  azonositojat uzembentarto intezet nem kivanja
a sajat eszkozeit az on rendelkezesere bocsajtani politikai nezeteinek
vilagga szorasa celjabol, az meg nem a vilag vege.  Osszevetheto azzal,
mint ha kifogast emelnenek az ellen, hogy az intezet gepen, az intezet
nyomtatojan es fejleces levelpapirjan irna politikai hozzaszolasait a
nyomtatott sajto reszere.  Doreseg azt gondolni, hogy akkor a maga
szemelyi jogai meg lennenek kurtitva.  Menjen es hasznaljon mas
eszkozoket!  (Teszi is, es igaza van.)

Nezzen mar magaba: ha maganak lenne egy gepe amin szamos felhasznalo
dolgozna, es kozuluk az egyik onnek es kollegainak a legmesszebmenokig
nem tetszo politikai haboksagokat lovellne ki a vilagba (pl. vadallat
kommunista, ahogy tetszik), akkor nem fordulna meg a fejeben a gondolat
hogy megkeri az illetot, ugyan faradjon at valami mas gepre, mas
azonosito ala???

A maga hagymazas orultsegeit rettenetesnek tartom.  Es megis orulok hogy
joga csorbitatlan ezek kozzetetelere.  Irjon csak, irjon!

udvozlet nelkul,
Nagy Peter

This is a follow-up to my previous response to Mr. Kocsis.

Again, the quote from him:
>It seems to me you did not get what Adrian exactly said.
>He said that who considered him/herself Hungarian but
>was of different (Romanian) origin was not Hungarian. I would
>not like to go into details on what kinda politics is that when
>someone wants to decide tha others ethnicity against their
>will. I don't think it was intentional he just not thought
>it over
[quote from my message presented later]
>This behaviour also has nothing to do with educational system.
>He later states and so contradicts to himself that the Jews
>considered themselves Hungarian.

Now here is the the entire relevant part of my original
message:
>Tamas recently referred to the results of a
>1910 census in Cluj as "the ethnic composition".
>
>This is pure falsehood.
>
>A census regarding ethnicity was never done in
>Austria-Hungary. The only question that was posed,
>and came close to that, was: "which language do
>you know/speak best?". Considering the neglect of
>Romanian education system in Transylvania up to
>that time, even sincere answers of Romanian 
>ethnics would gravitate towards Hungarian.
>Also remember that the vast majority of Jews
>in Transylvania were Hungarian-speaking, and this
>takes a big chunk out of the figures.

I've addressed the Romanian ethnics misunderstanding
in my previous message.
Regarding the Jews, the situation is crystal-clear.
A vast majority of them _spoke Hungarian best_ ,
in other words they were Hungarian-speaking.
The answer they had to give to the census question
was therefore "Hungarian", but this does not make
them Hungarian ethnics. There is no contradiction
in my message, and there is no statement such as
"the Jews considered themselves Hungarian".

Regards,
Adrian

In article >,
Kadar Gyorgy  > wrote:
| 	Lectoris Salutem!

[..]

| 	(I support this idea, that is we could celebrate the 1100 years
| anniversary of the birth of the Hungarian State with the festive selection
| of solemn music on June 29
| 	and Mr. Demszky and friends could celebrate the coming end of his
| miserable reign with a mourning mess (without mass) on 30 June).
| 
| 	May God bless us all...			kadargyorgy
| 
| PS. I declare that I deeply love Mozart's music...
| 
| 
Thank you for that declaration. Actually Mozart's requiem is
one of my favourite pieces, and I am sorry I won't be around
on the 29th to listen to it. It sounds like the plan is
similar to the performance of Beethoven's 9th a few years
ago. What I fail to understand is how the comment in
parentheses is relevant, or what do you have against
Demszky's role as the mayor of Budapest that would prompt
you to add a comment of such style and vulagarity.
Istvan

In article >,
g  > wrote:
>And what the heck had they looked for in some parts of that Turkish fiefdom hu

Maybe they looked for Turkish babes?

Gabor

In >,  () writes:
>[...]
>Remelem a
>kovetkezo valasztason egy valodi, jobboldali kormany kerul hatalomra,
>s bepotolja az MDF kormany tortenelmi mulasztasat, s akkor az ilyen
>szemtlada besugok olyan helyre kerulnek, ahol nem arthatnak tobbet.
>[...]
>Pannon J.

Bennunket meg a Magassagos mentsen meg az olyan eszement szivarok
vergozos elkepzeleseitol, mint a tieid, draga Jozsi.  Te, ugy tunik a
fentiek alapjan, eleg siman dutyiba vagy a bitora ("ahol nem arthatnak
tobbet", gratulalok!)  vagnal mindenkit, aki nem pont a te fuledbe
huzza.

Milyen furcsa! hogy a demokracia tobbek kozott eppen attol az ami, hogy
olyan alakok szolasszabadsagat garantaljuk, akik ezt - ha hatalomra
kerulnenek - tolunk javareszt megvonnak.

      ,
Nagy Peter

 (Dan Pop) writes:

>"Lacatus" is locksmith in Romanian

Yes, its origin is the Hungarian word 'lakatos'.
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"P.S." > wrote:


I don;t think pp like your idea of advertising this way.
Don't u know where to post?
This is SCS mind U.


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Dan Pop wrote:

> 
> Who borrowed the word from whom is irrelevant.  The point is that Lacatus
> and Lacatusu are Romanian names (related to a Romanian common noun)

No. And NO!!! You are wrong!!! Lacatus is just the fonetic of LAKATOS,
there LAKAT means lock and the (o)s means *the one who does* /very approximativ
ly/
Just as ASZTALOS means carpenter, there ASZTAL means TABLE, and BA'DOGOS and 
VASAROS and some hundred more. DO NOT TRY TO SAY, that the Roman language uses
the same.... If you don't really know, please don't say it. Then it will not hu
rt.

> that can be easily found all over Romania, hence using them to "prove"
> the romanization theory is plain stupid.
> 
> >> There are plenty of examples of ethnic Romanians
> >>named Farcas or Farcasu or Farcasiu, the best known being Dumitru Farcasu.
> >
> >And what does that word mean in Romanian?  For "Farkas" means "Wolf" in
> >Hungarian and is a very common family name.
> 
> You didn't follow the argumentation, did you?  The name of an ancestor
> was Lupu /SNIP/

Why? Why was the oroginal name Lupu? You just state it! How can you
state that everyone with name Farkas or Wolf or Ulf were Romanians with
the name Lupu? And later magyarized or germanized or swedishized or what
ever. Your statement is completely  ungrounded. 
 
> 
> Dan

//Laszlo

On 31 May 1996  wrote:

> >The most famous "Lacatus" I know is most probably, from an ethnic
> >viewpoint,  neither Romanian nor Hungarian. But he is one heck of a
> >good soccer player.
> 
> Yeap!  I enjoyed watching him.  

How abouth the Dacian "wolf-cub" Ladislau Boloni :-), the one who ended
the story of Dino Zoff?
  
 
> I'm sure people, like Matyas
> could find genuine examples of Romanized Hungarian names, 

I know personally someone calld Istvan by his parents but Stefan in his
birth certificate (by transliteration, of course).

> >Hmmm, I thought the Hungarian viewpoit is that Csangos were initially
> >Cumans. Therefore, Cuman----->Coman (common Romanian
> >name)---->Comaneci :-)
> 
> That theory is new to me.  I think the Kemenes -> Comenici
> transformation is more plausible on the similarity of their sounding.

Isn't Kemenece purely Hungarian meaning something related to "oven"? In
any case, is a very subjective sound similarity.

> But again, we are talking here about unsubstantiated rumors, so it's not
> worth to lose sleep over.

Yeah, but maybe you are a Sonics' fan and since the Bulls will trash them
very soon you'll need something to keep you busy until the pain subsides
:-) 

Regards,

Liviu Iordache

Lectoris Salutem!
	I read in the newspaper yesterday (Magyar Nemzet) (in parentheses 
there are explanations, added by me, KGy):
	The "Union of Hungarian Symphonic Orchestrae" turned to Gabor
Demszky, Chief Mayor of Budapest with an open letter, in which they offer
a free concert to the (public of the) capital on the occasion of the
millecentenary (1100 years anniversary of the Hungarian presence in The
Carpathian Basin).
	"We have learnt - write the leaders of the orchestrae, assembled
in the Union - that on the occasion of the closing of the Budapest festive
ceremonies and of the presentation of the renovated millenary group of
historical monuments (milleneumi szoboregyuttes ujjaavatasa) there would
be the festive concert performing
			Mozart: Requiem 
in the Heroes' Square (Ho"so:k tere'n) on the 30th of June. The member
orchestrae of the Union of Hungarian Symphonic Orchestrae are ready
to contribute to the dignified celebration of the outstanding historical
anniversary with a concert fitting to the unique occasion by performing
		opuses of Erkel, Liszt, Bartok and Kodaly. 
For the performance of this concert the Union will create a representative
ensemble selected from the member orchestrae, which - with regard to the
anniversary - will  n o t  require  a n y  r o y a l t y."  
	The union proposes in the letter that the performing stage - to be
set up anyway by 30 June in the Heroes' Square - should be built up by
the City one day earlier and should be left to the disposal of the
selected ensemble.
	(I support this idea, that is we could celebrate the 1100 years
anniversary of the birth of the Hungarian State with the festive selection
of solemn music on June 29
	and Mr. Demszky and friends could celebrate the coming end of his
miserable reign with a mourning mess (without mass) on 30 June).

	May God bless us all...			kadargyorgy

PS. I declare that I deeply love Mozart's music...