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||Melbourne-i szulok, iskolas koru csemetekkel ... (mind)
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||Hungarian Folkdancing (mind)
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||Comparitive Suicide Rates (mind)
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||Hard Rock Cafe (mind)
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|+ - ||Re: Hard Rock Cafe (mind)
Magyarorszagbam nincs HRC, de azert adnak el hamisitott HRC T-shirtokett
en ot voltam a tavaj es lattam eleg nevetsegessen neznek ki a T-shirtok.
|+ - ||Re: A 150 eves torok uralom alatt meglehetos vallas sza (mind)
In article >, says...
>Istvan Lippai wrote:
>> A szakmamban, ha mondok valamit ami nem igaz, azt konnyen (ha
>> tudasod) meg tudod cafolni. Matematika es fizika tudomanya nem
>> A tortenelem az mas, vannak olyanok akik egy bizonyos allaspontot
>> elorehalasztani. Tudom, hogy Te nem azok koze tartozol. Ugyanakkor
>> vagyok hajlando elfogadni 'aheringer' gyengen burkolt allaspontjat,
>> amiert a torok hoditok jok voltak az o oseikhez, a 150-eves torok
>> jo volt a magyaroknak. O es a tarsai a HUNGARY listan hazudozonak
>> amiert azt mondtam, hogy 1945-1956 alatt a Himnuszt csak a templomban
>> lehetett enekelni.
>> Mondd meg tortenesz baratom, mi tortent volna, ha egy csoport
>> nyilvanos helyen enekelte volna a Himnuszt a Rakosi idelye alatt?
>> Udv: Istvan
>En nem hivnalak "hazudozonak", de tevedesrol azert talan szo lehet.
>Mert igenis meg van a "tudasom" ahhoz, hogy konnyen megcafoljam az
>Nem vagyok tortenesz, de nem osregi tortenelemrol van szo. En az
>50-56-os evek alatt nyilvanos, altalanos iskolaba jartam Pesten. Ott
>tanultam meg enekelni (a rendes dallamon kivul) a magyar himnusz masodik
>(alt) szolamat, az iskolakorusban. Elo is adtuk, valami evzaro unnepely
>folyaman. Templomba (mecsetbe, zsinagogaba, stb.) nem jartam.
>Tehat lehet, hogy a te korulmenyeid masmilyenek voltak, es igy maskep
>emlekezel arra, hogy mi volt es mi nem volt lehetseges.
Hi, Sam, most hogy irod, valoban, en is az iskolai korusban enekeltem
harmadik szolamot, meg hozza nemcsak a himnuszbol, hanem a szozatbol is,
es a legnagyobb szamunk Beethoven "Isten Dicsosege" volt - na meg a
Kodaly Punkosdolo! 1951-ben erettsegiztem a Kossuth Zsuzsa (alias Raskay
Lea) leany gimnaziumban, a legsotetebb sztalini idoben, amikor
megtiltottak nekunk a ballagast mondvan, hogy az polgari csokeveny, es
egy osztalytarsunkat kivagtak Magyarorszag osszes iskolaibol mert
besugtak hogy elmondott egy reakcios viccet.
|+ - ||Re: Magyar keyboard (mind)
On 6 Feb 1997 07:52:18 GMT, "John Towers" > wrote:
>Hello: would anyone happen to know where I might be able to acquire a
>Hungarian keyboard OR some type of converter? I believe Microsoft has a
>template? for H letters. I have seen ads for Ms.WORKS in H, so it is safe
>to assume that the word processor would include H fonts.
>Short of procuring one from Hungary, does anyone have any ideas?? Yes, yes,
>I can (and will) contact Bill Gates, too. THX.
>Halas lennek ha valaki megtudna mondani honnan tudnek szerezni egy Magyar
>billentyu (??) keyboard-ot VAGY hogy hogyan irnak magyarul Magyarorszagon.
Unless you do a lot of Hungarian typing, using a Hungarian keyboard is
a pain in the you-know-what.
A much simpler way is to put 850 Multilingual (Latin I) in windows
into your into your autoexec.bat (you probably have 437 now).
This will not change anything in your daily typing, but if you need
Hungarian Characters you can have them with pressing Alt plus a
number. For example Alt129=ü.
130, 148,160,161,162,163 will give you all the lower case vowels
and 154,144,153,181,214,224,233 will have all upper case.
I keep a "cheat sheet" nearby for the codes.
This is all explained in the back of my Windows book and easy.
Works in all Windows programs and no loading new keyboard to switch.
Eva Kende B.Sc. Author of Eva's Hungarian Kitchen
look for it at: http://kinga.com/cook.html
|+ - ||Looking for somebody ????? (mind)
HELLO CRAZY PEOPLE,
PLEASE CHECK THIS URL OUT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOME
AND MAYBE TO MEET IN THE NEAR FUTURE !!
|+ - ||Melbourne-i szulok, iskolas koru csemetekkel ... (mind)
Kedves Melbourne-i olvaso'k!
Tudom a soc.culture.magyar egy kicsit szeles koru ehhez a hirhez de
egyenlore meg nem sikerult leregisztralni a soc.culture.magyar.melbournei
"news group"-ot ;]
A moorrabbin-i Victorian School of Languages ismet beindult.
Az erettsegizo osztalyok eleg nepszeruek, ha jol tudom tobb mint 20
tanulojuk van, miert is ne ezzel is tobb pont lesz a VCE bizonyitvanyban.
Sajnos azonban problemak vannak az also's osztalyokkal.
Egyenlore csak nyolc jelentkezo van, es az elmult evek tapasztalati
mutatjak ebbol mindig van lemorzsolodas.
A moorabbin-i iskola az egyetlen allamilag szervezett iskola Melbourne-ben!
A tanitas szombatonkent, a Moorabbin Secondary College-ban van
(tel: 9579 1044) reggel 9:00 -to"l 12:20-ig.
Ha erdekel a dolog bovebben kuldj Emailt vagy hivd fel oket az iskolaban.
Jo lenne ha minnel tobb gyerek oszejonne, egy politika es vallas mentes
alapon, csak nyelvet es szokasokat tanulni.
Gyuri >> <<
|+ - ||Hungarian Folkdancing (mind)
I would be interested in corresponding with students involved in Hungarian
folkdancing. I used to have a young friend called Zsolt who was into it.
I can't remember much but it sounded intriguing. A bit like Morris dancing
maybe? Any info gratefully received. I love Hungary and Magyars. Long live
the Crown of St Stephen! ( I even have an icon of him!)
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|+ - ||Comparitive Suicide Rates (mind)
Quiet Revolution part of suicide rate
Globe & Mail, January 7/97
MONTREAL -- The effects of the social disruption from the Quiet
Revolution remain a factor in Quebec's high rate of suicide, the
man who headed a study on why young people kill themselves says.
Marc-Andre Dowd stressed yesterday that he did not want to cite
any single cause because many elements lead troubled youths to
But he said one ingredient is the social upheaval brought about
by the Quiet Revolution between 1960 and 1966, a period when
Quebec discarded many old religious and family values, and
individuality became more popular.
Mr Dowd said social disruption does not explain the suicide rate
but may be part of the answer, especially when it concerns teens
who feel they don't fit in anywhere.
"Our society changed so rapidly from a really rural and [Roman]
Catholic society to an urban and agnostic one," said Mr Dowd,
vice-president of a provincially funded youth council.
"We must say to our young people that there's a place for them."
Society put heavy emphasis on "competition, performance. Maybe we
should talk more about solidarity."
The Quiet Revolution brought change in a particularly accelerated
way, said Mr Dowd, who cited a variety of factors in suicide
around the world. They range from misuse of drugs and alcohol to
child abuse to the problems of finding a job.
A study by the council urges better co-ordination of suicide-
prevention efforts. It also says anyone treated in hospital for
attempted suicide should not be released without followup care.
It also recommends doctors in general practice get more training
in spotting suicidal tendencies among youths who may consult them
before taking that final step.
The report, says that between 1993 and 1995, an average of 304
males and 58 females in Quebec under 30 took their own lives each
year. The most common method was hanging.
Statistics Canada figures show that in 1990-92, Alberta led all
provinces with an average of 37.8 suicides a year for every
100,000 males aged 15 to 29. Saskatchewan was next with an
average of 6636.6, followed by Quebec with 34.8. Newfoundland was
last at 19.0.
Canada ranked 15th in a World Health Organiation survey of
suicide rates in industrialized countries between 1988 and 1990.
Canada's rate averaged 13.1 for every 100,000 people annually;
Quebec's was 15.5. The highest rate was Hungary, at 40.9.
|+ - ||Hard Rock Cafe (mind)
Tobben kerdezik itt amerikaiak, hogy van-e Budapesten egy Hard Rock Cafe?
Ha igen, legyetek olyan kedvesek egy cimet idevarazsolni.
|+ - ||Re: Tortenelem (was: A 150 eves torok uralom ...) (mind)
Alapvet”en hib sak azok az elk‚pzel‚sek amelyek Istv nt
tartj k Magyarorsz g megalapit˘j nak ‚s helyeslik Magyarorsz g
akkori "Nyugatbailleszt‚s‚t". Az al bbi kivonatokat a Kanadai
Magyars gtudom nyi T rsas g 1996-os ‚rtekezlet‚re k‚szitett
tanulm nyomb˘l k”zl”m:
When Istv n returned to Hungary with his German wife and 10
000 German soldiers with the aim of becoming the new ruler of
Hungary, it wasn't surprising that this did not meet with
everyone's approval. Istv n needed foreign backing for his takeover
bid as he lacked sufficient domestic support for his claim to
power. The traditional Hungarian custom granted the right of
succession to the most senior able-bodied member of the ruling
dynasty, and in this case, Kopp ny, Istvan's cousin, was the
designated rightful heir. The traditionalist Hungarian forces led
by Kopp ny were opposed to Istv n's accession to power and to his
plans to Christianize the country, as they justifiably saw in him
the manipulative work of foreign interests which sought to disguise
their objective of political takeover of Hungary with the
propagation of their Western Christian faith. The subsequent events
largely confirmed this, as the German empire was able to create and
exploit a rift within the ruling Hungarian dynasty. Thus, after
Istv n's accession to power, the Hungarian court became replete
with foreign advisors who wielded considerable influence and
represented foreign interests. Thus, Istv n's breaking of ancient
Hungarian tradition and of the Covenant of Blood with foreign
collaboration seems to have been a fundamental cause of the deep
and long-lasting internal divisions and strife among Hungarians and
of their subjugation to foreign interests which have lasted to the
The issue of the conversion of Hungary to the Western
Christian faith is a highly controversial one as it was accom-
plished by force against the will of the people and with the
destruction of ancient Hungarian culture, including the Hungarian
religion and runic scripts - thus causing incalculable and irre-
parable cultural losses. It has often been argued that the
Christianization of Hungary and its integration to the West were
not only of great cultural benefit to the Hungarians, but that they
could not have survived otherwise. These ideologically motivated
claims seem unfounded when confronted with the known facts. It is
not without reason that the European Middle Ages are referred to as
the dark ages. This term refers to the general cultural state of
Europe after the fall of the Roman empire: decaying infrastructure
and economy, political and legal anarchy, poor living standard of
the general population (lack of adequate shelter, food, clothing,
health, hygene, education and personal security). It was in this
context that the Church of Rome became a powerful factor with its
own ambitions of absolute spiritual, cultural and political control
and supremacy over the then known world.
In contrast to the general cultural state of Europe at the
time of the Hungarian settlement, the archeological data and
written historical sources indicate that the Hungarians had a
considerably more developed culture: they were quite familiar with
agriculture even before settling in the Carpathian Basin where they
were capable of establishing a state 1100 years ago. The Hungarians
had their own writing system, the runic script, and a rich cultural
life with their own religion which wasn't some form of primitive
shamanism, but the Magian religion in which all the forces of
nature, the various elements, and the heavenly bodies were
worshipped as manifestations of a single creative force - in
essence monotheism, but without the intolerant, exclusive, dogmatic
and irrational character of the other Near-Eastern religions. At
that time, Hungarian society was more tolerant and free than its
feudal Christian European counterpart. This tolerance was
manifested towards other religions and by the lack of any form of
racial, linguistic, or cultural discrimination as the concept of
Hungarian nationality was not exclusive but open to individuals and
tribes regardless of ethnic origin, and there was no forced
assimilation. All members of the Hungarian nation enjoyed equal
rights under a tribal system which was more democratic than the
feudal system of Western Europe. Hungarian craftsmanship in all
types of materials was remarkably more advanced from a technical
and artistic point of view, just as Hungarian horsemanship,
weaponry and military tactics were more than a match for the
Europeans. Hungarian medical knowledge and personal hygene were
also more developed than those of Medieval Europe, and the social
behaviour and moral standards (code of honor) were also
It is difficult to imagine what benefit Hungary could have
possibly derived at that time from the conversion to Western
Christianity and from the adoption of the European feudal system.
An unbiased consideration of the facts leads to the conclusion that
the drastic changes imposed upon Hungary by external coercion
nearly 1000 years ago had a detrimental effect on Hungary's
cultural, social, economic, political and demographic development,
as a foreign feudal political and religious elite sought to
subjugate and exploit the Hungarians, relegating them to the slave-
like conditions of feudal serfdom, with Western Christianism as the
justifying ideology. The nearly ten centuries of Christian feudal
regime saw the continuous decline of the power and wealth of
Hungary, a trend which was interrupted only by a few relatively
brief periods of internal peace and prosperity which proved to be
the exception to the general political instability, social
fragmentation, impoverishment of the population, erosion of the
Hungarian language and culture, and subordination of Hungarian
policy-making to foreign interests which have characterized
Hungarian history since the imposition of that regime. The
assertion that the Hungarians had to integrate to the West because
otherwise the West would have annihilated them, and that therefore
the Hungarians owe their survival over the past 1000 years to their
adhesion to the West seems to be a misrepresentation of the facts.
Even after the imposition of Western Christianism, which was far
from having been unopposed, rapid and complete, the Hungarians were
repeatedly forced to repel armed aggression from the West - and
they were successful in doing so. The fact that Hungary was able to
remain a major power for several centuries was less due to its
Christianization and feudalization and more to the factors which
had made it a major power before its Westernization - and the same
would seem to apply to Hungary's cultural achievements for which
undue credit has been given to Western cultural influence.
|+ - ||Re: Poetician1-nek: Nem ertem az uzeneteidet (mind)
In article >, The Hypocrite Wally Keeler wrote:
> >maybe you should take care of your own hypocrisy and prejudices?
> Why, when I have you doing it for free, and without benefits.
> >Come on Wally, give it a try.
> Not worth the effort.
You're right - why bother with learning when ignorance comes
instantaneously to you?
> Coming from an expert of rude, I'll take your comment into consnideration.
|+ - ||Re: Translation help (mind)
>I am trying to figure out the best translation of the word "contempt",
>especially as it's used in expressions such as "contempt of the Court",
>or Contempt of Congress (Parliament). Somehow the word "megvete's" or
>"lene'ze's" don't sound right in such expressions.
"Engedetlense'g" or "do~nte's magtagada'sa" would fit better in this case.
They do not reflect the full flavour of "comtempt", but I doubt that any
Hungarian word or expression would. There may be some historical precedent
for "contempt of Parliament" in Hungary, but the term for it is most likely
to be in Latin. I cannot recall anything in Hungarian that would parallel
"contempt of Court".
|+ - ||Learn to Make $$$FAST CASH$$$ With Honest Work (mind)
Five minutes and five dollars can change your life!!!THIS IS
THE FAIREST, MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW TO SHARE THE WEALTH! Would you
like to make thousands of dollars, quickly, legally, with NOCATCH?
Then keep reading..... please take five minutes to read thisarticle;
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make up to, or over, $50,000.00 in 4 - 6 weeks; maybe sooner! I SWEAR
I'M NOT LYING TO YOU, AND THIS IS NOT A SCAM! If you're interested,
keep reading; if you're not, I apologize forwasting your time.
Here we go. A little while back, I was browsing through these
newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar
to this that said you could make thousands of dollars in weeks, with
only an initial investment of $5.00!! So, I thought, "Yeah, right,
must be a scam", but, I was curious, like most of us are, and kept
reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1.00 to each of the five names
and addresses stated in the article. You then place your own name and
address in the article at the bottom of the list at #5, and post the
article in at least 200 newsgroups, (there are thousands). No catch,
that was it! So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first,
I tried it.I figured what have I got to lose except for 5 stamps, and
$5.00, right? Well, guess what....within 7 days, I started getting
money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon,
and didn't give it another thought. But then money kept coming in ,
tripling in size and multipying by 10 - 20 times the amount that I got
the first week! In my first week I made about 20 - 30 dollars. But,
by the end of the second week, I had made a total of over $1000.00!!!!
In the third week, I had over $10,000.00, and its still growing.
This is my fourth week, and I've made about $42,000.00 TOTAL, and the
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most importantly, WHY it works, also, make sure you print a copy of
the article NOW, so you get the information off of it, and begin
making money.The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY
STEP 1: Get 5 separate pieces of paper and write the following on
each sheet of paper...."PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST", and then
write your NAME AND ADDRESS. Get five $1.00 bills and place ONE
inside each piece of paper that you just wrote on. Fold each paper so
the bill will not be seen in the envelope, (otherwise, nosey people
who like to steal envelopes with money in it won't get yours). Put
one paper inside each envelope, and seal it. Do the same for all
five. You should now have 5 envelopes, sealed, EACH with a piece of
paper AND a $1.00 bill, stuffed inside of the paper. Make sure those
words that were stated above, are written on each paper. What you are
doing is creating a service; this is PERFECTLY LEGAL. Now then, mail
the 5 envelopes, with the paper and $1.00 bill in each, to the
following 5 addresses:
1. D. Ellis, 8301 W. 92nd St., Overland Park, KS 662122.
2. J. Krakowiak , 1112 W. Broadway #1, Anaheim, Ca 928053.
3. J. Sides, Lamar Box 1, South Plains College, 1401 S. College
Ave.,Levelland, TX 79336
4. Areg Mkrian, 15 Alma Ave. Belmont, MA 02178-4404
5. A Karns, 4000 NW 53rd, Oklahoma City, OK, 73112
STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move
the other 4 names up, (5 becoming 4, 4 becoming 3, etc.), and put
YOURNAME as number 5 on the list. You can slightly alter this article
ifyou need to; editing what you need to edit.
STEP 3: Post your amended article, (with your name at #5), to at
least 200 newsgroups, (There are close to 19,000 of them). HOW TO DO
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1) Click on any newsgroup, like normal, THEN click on 'TO NEWS',which
as on the far left when you're in the newsgroup page. This will bring
up a box to type a message in.
2) Leave the newsgroup box like it is. CHANGE the subject box to
something flashy, like, "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE $$$" or "FAST CASH"!!
3) Tab once, and you should be ready to type. Now, re-type,
(onlyonce), this WHOLE ARTICLE WORD FOR WORD, except to insert your
name at#5, and to remove #1 off the list; plus any other small changes
youthink you need to make. Keep most of it the same!!
4) When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILE in
THISBOX, right above send, not where it says Netscape News On The
FirstBox. Click on SAVE AS when you're under FILE. Save your article
as a text file to your C: or A: drive. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR
ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO THIS. Once saved, move on to number 5 below.
5) If you still have all of your text, send, or post, to this news
group, now, by just clicking send; which is located below FILE, and
right above Cc:.
6) Here's where you're going to post all 200. OK, click on any
newsgroup, then click on 'TO NEWS', again, in the top left corner.
Leave theNEWSGROUPS BOX alone. Again, put a flashy subject title in
the SUBJECT BOX. Hit TAB once you're in the body of the message, and
then click on ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX. You will
get another box to come up. Click on ATTACH FILE, then find YOUR file
that you saved; click once on the file, and then click 'OPEN'. Now
click on OK. If you did this right, you should be able to see your
file name in the attachments box, and it will be shaded green.If you
use IE EXPLORER, it's just as easy......HOLDING DOWN THE LEFT BUTTON,
HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR YOURRECORDS TO
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NEWSGROUPS AND PRESS "POST AN ARTICLE". A WINDOWWILL OPEN. TYPE
YOUR HEADLINE IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK INTHE LARGE WINDOW
BELOW. PRESS "CRTL" AND THEN "V", AND THE ARTICLE WILLBE PLACED IN THE
WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE, DO SO, AND THEN HIGHLIGHT AND
COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERY TIME YOU POST THE ARTICLE IN A NEWNEWSGROUP,
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REPEAT "CRTL" AND "V" AND PRESS POST.
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WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD WITHOUT COSTING
ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME! GOOD LUCK, AND HAVE FUN!!!!
|+ - ||Central Europe (mind)
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|+ - ||Re: Minorities here and there (was...Tornedal-FAQ) (mind)
> Jesus, I posted it a month ago. Have you read my postings
> since? If you had read it you would have understand what I
> said. I almost forgot about it after a month.
> Sorry, but I haven´t. I´m brandnew at reading this or any kind of
newsgroup. For better understanding you could explain it once more what
you meant or just give the reference of which messages refer to this
subject so that I can read them too.
|+ - ||Re: Translation help .... and more (mind)
On 20 Feb 1997 14:29:07 GMT, T. Kocsis > wrote:
>Lehet, hogy van megfeleloje az angolszasz jogi fogalmaknak a
>magyar jogi szakirodalomban, de nem biztos, hogy letezik is
>ez a dolog a magyar jogon belul . A magyar jog meglehetosen
>elter az angolszasztol.
Igen, mint minden mas orszag joggyakorlata, amelyik a romai jogon
alapul. Viszont az egy turhetetlen allapot, hogy buntetlenul lehessen
fricskazni az orszag torvenyhozo testuletevel.
S ezzel ugy gondolom egyben az utolso cikkedet is olvastam ezen a forumon
Toled, ha csak nem keslelteted a pentekre kituzott hazautazasodat. Ezt
a valaszt, a biztonsag kedveert privat levelben is megkuldom, mivel a
Usenet reven mar lehet, hogy nem latod meg.
Mint mar emlitettem, tavozasod nagy vesztesege lesz a magyar vonatkozasu
Internet forumoknak, amit szerencsere ellensulyoz az, hogy tudasodat es
eredeti gondolkozasodat ott gyumolcsozteted majd, ahol arra jelenleg
a legnagyobb szukseg van: Magyarorszagon. Remelem egyszer meg a
politikara is raadod a fejed, bar azt hiszem Te inkabb az uzleti eletet
valasztod. ... s ki hibaztathat azert. Mindazonaltal az hiszem nem
csak magam neveben remelem, hogy azert valahogy megis sikerul vonalba
kerulnod hazulrol is a belathato idon belul, nemdeugyebar. (Ez viszont
Addig is ... jo utat es sikeres otthoni mukodest kivanok a magam es
velem egyetertok neveben,
|+ - ||Re: Minorities here and there (was...Tornedal-FAQ) (mind)
Gustav Horvath wrote:
> You are right. Nobody want's Austria back.
Wants or not, it's like saying nobody wants Niagara
waters to fly back. Whether anyone wants or not, it's
simply not an issue.
|+ - ||Tisza Ensemble s Tanchaz & Mezosegi (Magyarszovati) Dan (mind)
Workshops & Tanchaz (Dance House) with Sandor & Erzsebet Timar !
Saturday, February 22nd, 1997
10:00a.m.- 12:30p.m.- public workshop w/ Sandor & Erzsebet Timar (Part I)=
2:00p.m.- 4:30p.m.- public workshop w/ S=E1ndor & Erzsebet Timar (Part II=
7:30p.m.- 10:30p.m.- Tisza Ensemble's public Tanchaz
The Tanchaz starts at 7:30 p.m. Dancing to live (local bands TANCHAZ! &
Maros Ensemble) and recorded music continues until 10:30 p.m.. The basic
steps of the dances will be demonstrated in special teaching circles while
each dance is going on. You may bring food or drink as an optional
donation to the snack table. Please bring dance footwear.=20
From=20Interstate 495 (Washington Beltway) take Exit 25B, which is Route 1
(Baltimore Ave.) South toward College Park. Go 14 lights (including the
light at the ramp), and turn left onto Calvert Road. The studio is in the
first building on the right, behind Clean & Lean Fitness Center. =20
Please do not park on the street. Limited parking is available behind the
building, and there is a larger parking lot near the studio further up
(East) on Calvert Street on your right. From the College Park Metro,
please walk west on Calvert Street (towards Route 1) and the studio is
the last building on your left before Route 1.
$ 8.00 for each workshop
$15.00 for both workshops=20
$ 6.00 for the tanchaz=20
Pay only $20.00 if you attend both workshops and the tanchaz !=20
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|+ - ||Re: Kerdes a Biszmillanak (mind)
Istvan Lippai wrote:
> Mikor fogja valaki azt mondani, hogy a kommunistak egy gyonyoru
> Budapest-i templomot nem romboltak le es annak helyere nem epitetek egy
> hatalmas szobrot Sztalin-nak?
> Biszmilla vagy Sam miert nem valaszolsz a kerdesemre:
> "Mi tortent volna, ha egy csoport magyar nyilvanos helyen enekelte volna a
> Himnuszt a Rakosi idelye alatt?"
> Ez a kerdes.
> Az, hogy a jo idulatu hazafias tanarok mit tanitottak az egy masik kerdes.
> A mi teknikumi tanarjaink is belenk neveltek a hazaszeretet. Ezert sokszor
> bajba is kerultek Egy Ivan nevu mocskos kolok be is kopte oket.
Bocsanat, ha felrertettelek:
Az elozokben semmi Sztalinszoborrol nem volt szo, ugyhogy nem tudom ez
miert jelentos. (Ha szo volt rola, en tul keson kapcsolodtam be.)
Mint irtam, eloadtuk (iskolakorussal) a himnuszt egy evzaro unnepely
folyaman, egy iskolaben, az en pesti altalanos iskolai palyafutasom
Ezzel a tennyel csak megcafoltam allitasodat, hogy "1945-56 kozott a
Himnuszt csak a templomban lehetett enekelni". Azt is mondtam, hogy
ezert en a te allitasodat nem tartom hazugsagnak, mert feltetelezem,
hogy csak rossz tajekozottsag eredmenye.
Ami a kerdesedet illeti:
"Mi tortent volna, ha egy csoport magyar nyilvanos helyen enekelte volna
a Himnuszt a Rakosi idelye alatt?"
Ha egy pesti iskolakorus nem egy "csoport magyar"; ha egy iskolai evzaro
unnepely, szulokkel, meghivottakkal, nem egy "nyilvanos hely", ha
eloadni a himnuszt egy korussal az nem "enekelni", ha 1950-56 nem
"Rakosi ideje" (ezen lehet talan a szorszalakat hasogatni, de azt is
tudom, hogy az eloadas 56 elott volt) akkor talan nem beszeljuk ugyanazt
a nyelvet. De ha egyetertesz velem e szavak jelenteseben, akkor
megvalaszoltam: nem "mi tortent volna, ha ..?" hanem "mi tortent akkor
amikor ..". Semmi.
Ez egy egyszeru teny, semmi koze ahhoz, hogy milyen hazafiasnak erezzuk
magunkat, vagy hogy hogyan viszonyulunk Rakosihoz, a HUNGARY list-hez
(hala egnek, nem olvasom), stb., s hangsulyozom megint, hogy nem
rosszallom, ha mas mas elmenyeiro beszamol, talan csak megjegyzem, ha
nem lenne mar nyilvanvalo, hogy fenti allitasod tul altalanos.
|+ - ||Re: Minorities here and there (was...Tornedal-FAQ) (mind)
Gabor Barsai wrote:
> In article >, wrote:
> > The pilfering invaders have "privatised" the country. The Kosice VSZ
> > steel
> > works have been sold to a circle of persons around the ruling HZDS in a
> > way that the Fund of National Property suffered a billion damage.
> Not to be nit picking, but a billion what? USD or SKK or something else?
In this case, it was a billion of Skk, which is about USD30m.
Unfortunately, this is going on everyday. Nafta Gbely, an Skk3.5bn
was attributed to an unknown company for a fraction of its value. The
established company can realise an Skk2.7bn profit from this single
Tax exceptions and payment gifts are everyday business in Slovakia.
In Hungary, a privatisation scandal provoked a political earthquake and
for weeks, the newspapers are speaking about on the front page. In
people somehow got used to the pilferers and only notice here and there
the value exceeds a billion... Anyway, these numbers are so huge that
issue gets too abstract to worry about.
|+ - ||Electricity Supply in Hungary (mind)
I am a final year student within the Department of Electrical Engineering at t
he University of Edinburgh. As part of my final year studies I am required to p
erform a dissertaion. The topic for which I have chosen to compare the restruc
turing of the Electricity Industries of Italy, Australia, Hungary with that of
I am therefore particularly keen to find information on the industry within Hu
ngary, as much of the information I have sourced is not up to date. I am inter
ested in learning at what stage of privatisation th eindustry is at, and how su
ccessful the restructuring has been.
Please, any information on this topic will be gratefully received .
Please either reply to this or e-mail me at
Many thanks for the interest
|+ - ||Re: Az eldugott Szabad ? (mind)
On 13 Feb 1997 01:52:17 GMT, RK > wrote:
> Ha valaki tud segiteni, nagyon erdekelne hogy hol lehet a Szabad-ot
>megtalani. Amiota a Forum valahogy ugyesen atlett nevezve a jol hangzo
>Szabad-ra nem vagyok kepes megtalalni. A Hix-ben meg utalast sem lattam
>ra annak ellenere hogy a nemletezo Forum meg mindig jelolve van. Ha a
>Forum eltuntetese volt a cel akkor idaig nagyon sikeres volt velem es
>gondolom sok mas olvasoval kapcsolatban is.
Nekem a magyarorszagiak sugtak meg, hogy a szegedi egyetem gopher
szerveren van, s eddig sikerult onnan minden szamot megszereznem.
Probald meg a WEB keresoddel a kovetkezo cimen:
Ha ez nem jon be, akkor probalkozz csak a ":" elotti cimmel, s onnan
navigalj az "ekezet nelkuli" fiokkal kezdve tovabb.
Egyebkent az erdekes a dologban az, hogy az eldugottsaga ellenere rekord
nagysagu szamokban jelenik meg; mar 70 kb folott vannnak a szamok!
Lehet, hogy azert irnak olyan sokan, mivel erzik, hogy itt az utolso
alkalom? -- vagy csak azertis???
|+ - ||Re: Gustav es Tamas-nak (mind)
In article > ,
>Igaz, hogyha saccolnom kell, szerintem is jo
>kadernek kellett lennie valakinek, akit 89 elott egy masik "barati
>orszag" katonai akademiajara kuldtek, de azert azt is figyelembe kell
>venni, hogy itt nem politikai tisztrol van szo, hanem hadmernokirol.
Erre meg egy lapattal ratennek. Emlekeim szerint (83-ban mentem
egyetemre -> BME) mar abban az idoben is depolitizalt volt a nem-
zetkozi felveteli. Ugy remlik mechanikusan keretszamokat bizto-
sitottak az KGST 'testverorszagok' egymas szamara, ahova konnyeb-
ben be lehetett kerulni, mintha az ember magyarorszagi egyetemre
felvetelizett volna. A hatuluto az volt, hogy meg kellett tanulni
peldaul lengyelul, bulgarul hozza. Megkockaztatom: egy politikailag
'gyanus elem' nagyobb valoszinuseggel szamithatott felvetelre kul-
Nem tudom pontosan megitelni mennyi parttamogatas kellett, hogy
katonanak alljon az ember, csak egy adalekot tennek meg hozza:
A gimnaziumban ahol vegeztem, az ot osztalybol egy volt teljesen
civil osztaly (en ilyenbe jartam), a tobbibe ugynevezett "katko's",
katonai kollegista fiuk is jartak. Aki oda jelentkezett, azt automati-
kusan felvettek a gimibe (amibe egyebkent eleg nehez volt bekerul-
ni), a kovetelmenyszint szamukra alacsonyabb volt, ingyen kolle-
giumba laktak, osztondijat is kaptak, viszont utana azonnal tiszhe-
lyettesnek, vagy katonai foiskolara kellett menni.
Ezt a szisztemat azert talaltak ki, mert a hivatasos allomany na-
gyon megfogyott, a szakma alulfizetettsege es leertekelodese mi-
att. Kizartnak tartom, hogy a felvetelinel politikai szempontokat
vettek volna figyelembe, mikor a letszamot alig tudtak feltolteni,
meg a gimnaziumi szinvonalat messze meg nem uto diakok felve-
tele aran sem.
|+ - ||Hungarian/Canadian Finances (mind)
Canada a model for Hungarian deficit-fighter
Report On Business, Globe & Mail, Feb 14/97
by Alan Freeman
High unemployment, regional disparity, tax dodging, an aging
population, rising social spending. The economic challenges are
familiar to Canadians.
In Hungary, you take the same problems and multiply them
several times. In Canada, inflation is 2 per cent. In Hungary, it's
more than 20. In Canada, the underground economy accounts for an
estimated 5 per cent of gross domestic product. In Hungary, it's as
much as 30 per cent.
It may be hard for Canadians to believe but their country is
developing an international reputation for tackling such difficult
economic issues as a soaring deficit and ballooning debt, and bringing
them under control.
For Tibor Draskovics, Hungary's top finance ministry
bureaucrat, a recent week-long visit to Canada was an opportunity to
see how it's done. He spent several days in Ottawa with senior Finance
Department officials and then was off to Toronto and Calgary to see how
Ontario and Alberta were controlling spending.
"I was first of all impressed with how seriously the Canadian
government is thinking about the deficit," Mr Draskovics, an articulate
42-year-old lawyer, said in an interview in the Old World atmosphere of
his wood-panelled office at the finance ministry, housed in a
turn-of-the- century former bank headquarters.
A finance official involved in reforms to the banking and tax
systems undertaken by the former Communist government in the 1980's. Mr
Draskovics then spent three years in the private sector before being
appointed secretary of state for finance in 1994.
What he found was an out-of-control deficit and a rapidly
developing current account crisis. In 1994, Hungary's deficit to GDP
ratio was a stunning 8.5 per cent.
In March of 1995, a desperate government acted. It introduced a
drastic austerity package that slashed spending and devalued the
Explaining this policy to the Hungarian people, who had only
just emerged from a regime where the state determined everything and
owned everything, proved difficult.
"People in Hungary didn't understand and most still don't
understand what the deficit and the debt really mean. People think a
government would be able to spend more if it's wanted. It's still very
difficult to explain that it's similar to someone's personal budget,"
Even though it included many former Communists, the Socialist
government knew it had to act.
"They understood that Hungary had a historical chance to join
the mainstream of world development and the European community. If we
weren't able to reduce our current account and government deficit, we
would lose that chance," he said.
The medicine worked. The deficit to GDP ratio declined to 3.2
per cent last year, public sector spending fell to 48 per cent of GDP
from 62 per cent and the ratings on Hungary's sovereign debt were
raised to investment grade.
But the social cost was high, with real salaries down by at
least 15 per cent over the past two years.
"It's a horrible loss especially after 15 years of stagnation
but there's no civil unrest. Society didn't like it but accepted the
necessity of those measures," he said.
Mr Draskovics was especially impressed by Canada's inflation
performance. Inflation is expected to drop to 18 per cent in Hungary
this year, with a single digit goal by 2000.
He also studied Canada's pension system, which combines a
public scheme with private plans, something Mr Draskovics would like
Hungary to emulate. The current Hungarian pay-as-you-go system is
Mr Draskovics says the system has been too generous, with the
retirement age for women at 55 and at 60 for men. As part of the
government's changes, the retirement age is being raised to 62 for both
sexes by 2003.
Mr Draskovics is also impressed with Revenue Canada's moves to
integrate the collection of taxes, pension and other social
contributions along with customs duties.
In Hungary, all those functions are still separate, with each
government department using separate databases and jealously protecting
|+ - ||Re: tortenelem (mind)
In article >,
>Dombi Karoly irja
>"The European Middle Ages are referred to as the dark ages. This term
>to the general cultural state of Europe after the fall of the Roman
>decaying infrastructure and economy, political and legal anarchy, poor
>standard of the general population (lack of adequate shelter, food,
>health, hygene, education and personal security). "
>A "Sotet Kozepkor" elnevezest az u.n. Felvilagosodas hozta be annak a
>harcnak az eszkozekent amelyik a realiakon (foldtulajdon) alapulo
>ingotoke hatalmaval kivanta felvaltani. Ketsegkivul, a Kozepkor nem volt
>technikai kultura, de mint szellemi, filozofiai, muveszeti kultura
>sotetnek. Ami pedig az eletszinvonalat illeti, a jobbagy a viragzo
>egy telek (kb 40 hold) foldet kapott megmuvelesre, es az abbol befolyo
>szazaleka az ove maradt. A 20 % (dezsma es a maradek kilencede) valamint
>heti egy napi robot jelentette az adot. Ma a U.S.-ben a jovedelem 43%-a,
>Europaban a jovedelem kozel 50%-a adora megy, es senki nem kap az
>ingyen foldberletet, vagy onallo meglhetest biztosito vallakozast amikor
>Ha olyan jo dolguk volt a jobbagyoknak, akkor mi okozta a Dozsa fele
|+ - ||ISFA News : Pelayo s Goals/Start Your Own Soccer Newsgr (mind)
Hi : Pelayo has uploaded the four goals that Spain scored against Malta on
Wednesday. You can download those and many more goals :
CREATE YOUR OWN SOCCER NEWSGROUP AT ISFA :
You can now apply for a Newsgroup of your club to be created at ISFA. This
Newsgroup will be accessible through the Web at ISFA's Web Site at :
or by Newsreader at the following News Server :
news.isfa.com (or at 220.127.116.11 if the name does not get resolved)
Just send a mail to :
and type in the body of the message :
to recieve an application and instructions.
LIVE COMS AT ISFANET :
On Wednesday we had the very first Live Coms at ISFAnet IRC Soccer Server. We
had two games in IRC #futbol_mundial : Colombia (0-1) Argentina and Paraguay
(2-1) Peru. They were highly successful Live Coms with over 30 spectators per
game, even though apparently some did not know how to find our new IRC Server
(irc.isfa.com, Port 6667).
We had a large number of people that found us by the Web Chat Page
(http://www.isfa.com:8080), which has an new and improved interface that shows
you all the Registered Channel on the left hand side. Nifty...
We have configured the Server in such a way that only Registered Channels can
be accessed so as to stop any warez or sex channels from plaguing our
Soccer-only Server. Registration will be available to anyone who wants to
start, or move their existing Soccer Channel to ISFAnet, as from Saturday Feb
Current Channels at ISFAnet :
Please check : http://www.isfa.com/isfanet.html
Cheers and see you at ISFAnet !
Winning is a state of mind.
|+ - ||Re: A 150 eves torok uralom alatt meglehetos vallas sza (mind)
Dehogy haragszok. Ezen a listan Ti nem gyulolettel tamadtok mint a
HUNGARY listan. Ahany magyar annyi velemeny. Remelem, Te se haragszol
amiert nem hiszek el mindent amit a torteneszek mondanak, es azert se mert
eggyelore tegezlek. A magyar irasom meg gyenge ahhoz, hogy magazzak,
onozzek, stb. Te igyekszek.
Remelem nem haragszol, de en ugy tanultam, hogy a torteneszek a hatalom
szolgai, es tobbnyire azt irjak amit a hatalom megfizet. Azert van, hogy
hazank tortenete most teljessen el van torzitva. El fog tartani egy ideig
amig magyar erzesu tisztesseges emberek tortnelmi munkai fognak tudni
vetelkedni a kommunistak berelt kurvainak a hazugsagaival.
Sajnos a torok tortenelem a nyugaton is a szellemi kurvak munkajanak az
eredmenye. Legtobb nyugati nem foglalkozik a torok tortenelemmel. A torok
kormany hatalmas osszgeket kolt amerikaban arra, hogy a torokok tortenelmet
a javukra torzitsa. Stanford es Georgetown csak a ket legvisszataszitobb
peldaja a 'tudomanyos' kutatas eltorzitasanak. A tortenelmi irataikat csak
szimpatikus torteneszeknek engedik megnezni, es azokat meg is fizetik.
A tortenelemrol azt tudok amit 60-ev alatt lattam es tapasztaltam, es
amit olyan konyvekben olvastam amiket rendszer nelkul valasztottam. Amit a
torokokrol gyilkoskodasarol tudok az en idomben (Murder of Armenians,
Kurds, Greeks, Serbs.), annak alapjan konnyebben el hiszem azokat a
torteneszeket akik ellenuk beszelnek mint akik melletuk.
> (PS - I am a trained historian with two graduate degrees.)
Buszke vagyok rad, mert buszke vagyok minden olyan honfitarsamra aki
megalta a helyet az idegen vilagban. Mint tanult ember es tortenesz, azt
is el varnam toled, hogy kerdezdd meg ki irta azt a szoveget amit a listara
tettem es talan meg a tobbi reszet is kerhetted volna. Ezt szerbek irtak,
es elgondolkoztam azon, hogy ha a torokok nem uldoztek es gyilkoltak volna
oket 500-evig, talan ma a szerbek nekunk magyaroknak jobb szomszedjaink
lennenek. 600,000 honfitarsunk el a szerbek kozott. Engem erdekel az o
A szakmamban, ha mondok valamit ami nem igaz, azt konnyen (ha megvan a
tudasod) meg tudod cafolni. Matematika es fizika tudomanya nem megbocsato.
A tortenelem az mas, vannak olyanok akik egy bizonyos allaspontot akarnak
elorehalasztani. Tudom, hogy Te nem azok koze tartozol. Ugyanakkor nem
vagyok hajlando elfogadni 'aheringer' gyengen burkolt allaspontjat, hogy
amiert a torok hoditok jok voltak az o oseikhez, a 150-eves torok hatalom
jo volt a magyaroknak. O es a tarsai a HUNGARY listan hazudozonak hivtak
amiert azt mondtam, hogy 1945-1956 alatt a Himnuszt csak a templomban
Mondd meg tortenesz baratom, mi tortent volna, ha egy csoport magyar
nyilvanos helyen enekelte volna a Himnuszt a Rakosi idelye alatt?