On 27 Jun 1996 14:29:15 GMT,  (Gyorgy
Kovacs) wrote:

<snip>

>
>Now as you mention it: since the original posting I conducted a little survey 
>among girls of several nations (Hungarian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Russian
>and German to be exaxt, all students) an the the words they used to express 
>their opinion on someone who does not speak their language trying to deliver 
>such compliments on their language were as follows (order in frequency of use)
:
>Corny, artificial (mesterkelt), strange, disturbing, cute, special.
>Most opinions were that it would not appeal to the girl. Very few thought it 
>would be something they would see as positive effort.
>The survey has a HUGE margin off error (too small and probably not
>representative sample population)
>
>Just my 2 cents worth.
>GK

On the surface, with a larger representative sample, this would seem
at least remotely scientific and kudos to you for trying to find out
what women would *really* think, but there is a fairly serious flaw in
the plan:

You're trying to figure out women and how they think!!! 

It can't be done....          8^)

Bela P. Havasreti

Eva Balogh wrote:

>[...] Otherwise we are in trouble.

My impression, you are in a trouble. But not because of me or other
"far-right wingers" (these are your words, not mine), but because
you lost the connection with political reality. That is really
dangerous (not the political reality, but your position in it). But not 
only for you, but for me and my family too. (I laugh myself to death, and
my family will be very sad.)
I said several times that it is only _your_ opinion that I am
a far-right winger. In contrast to your statement, I am definitely
in the mainstream. 

You do not hear, read the speeches of Viktor Orban, Sandor Lezsak,
Gyorgy Giczy and Jozsef Torgyan (who is definitely not an extremist, and 
to my little surprise, several businessman form the US and Germany ragard his
economy policy as a _real alternative_, and especially good for business.
These people do not sit at universities, do not find out new theories
to make people happy (the result usually an incredible amount of
unhappiness), but they made a lot of money and workingplaces!)

The politicians mentioned above usually more radical than me. 
And not only the politicians, but they followers. You probably never
discussed _openly_ an average MDF or KDNP, not mentioning FKGP supporter.
They usually do not have the possiblity to express their opinion.
And if they have, they are frightened.

          Eva S. Balogh, and the others. Wake up!!!

But dear Eva S. Balogh, it is good to know that you understand humor,
and you are not similar for example to Pe'ter Nagy, who is an outrageous
person. So you cannot be so dangerous. Although you are 
_the_ most blatant "liberal" I have ever had the pleasure of encountering, 
I give to your score a positive epsilon. That is not too much, but 
something.

On the other hand, I do not want to make you unhappy, but I am sure that 
we agree on most things. Because most statement is similar to the following
two examples: 1. The grass is green. 2. Stalin had a mustache. :-).

O'dor Tibor

Ps.: Who knows what is the latest conspiracy theory about Joseph Toth?
(Sorry for not beeing uptodate, but I am not able to read the whole 
USENET ... ) Who is this guy? It starts to be really  exciting! I thought 
seriously in an other thread that it is very difficult to identify a Joseph 
Toth. I think, it would be difficult for CIA experts, no for you, soft 
entellectuals.

I think, you did not take into account the obvious. May be, Joseph Toth
recent incarnation  is one of you, "liberals". Someone try to confuse people 
on NEMZET, and other "nationally conscious" (heh, I start to become PC, that
will be your fault if my political friends throw me out of business)
Internet journal. This is _my_ conspiracy theory. 

[But because you lived too much in the US, and I know, in the US to
understand humor is not part of the average culture, I have to note.
Plese, do not take it too seriously. It is only a little game. 
I had a good day today, and I like to make a lot of fun.]

A little dictionary to understand my post:
liberal  = liberal. But although  "liberal" = "liberal" also valid,
we also can state about a "liberal" that he/she is a person who only
pretends that he/she is a liberal. Maybe, he/she is something else.
For example a communist, or simply an idiot, or a conservative who is
terrorized by "liberals" (and other champions of "freedom" (like TGM)) and 
wants to stay alive.
(I do not want to discuss in detail, whether liberals pretend or not 
that they are liberals... . :-) I think, every reader has his/her own opinion
about it. My guess that they are different, and this is the reason why I
use different denotations.)

And an other thing. For you, who the God (It is terrible, what this guy 
dare ... .) has given a PC mind, I have a suggestion.

Do not call people fascist, racist, etc. That sounds so bad ... . Some of
those people, who you call for example "racist" are _really_ hurt.
You should not hurt people! This is the overall aim of the PC new-speak!
So I suggest you that insted of using the word "racist", use the more
acceptable "racially conscious white person" expression.

For fascist and anti-semite I was not able to find such a good and descriptive
expression, but you can suggest!!! Please!!

TU Vienna > wrote:

>Dear Andra's Kornai,

> SZDSZ is the most hated party by the 
>right. From MDF 
>to MIEP, and by the majority  of FIDESZ.

<snip>

>It is far more probable that MDF, KDNP and even FKGP makes a deal with
>MSZP than SZDSZ. SZDSZ is far more bolschevik than MSZP.

	For this there is only one answer: "minden zsak megtalalja a maga
foltjat."


>Good sleep, Andra's. And do not wake up, please :-) By-by. 

	By the way, is your English so poor that you don't know what you are
saying or you are actually as low as the above would indicate! You
ought to be ashamed of yourself and, by the way, I hope that the SZDSZ
would never sit down at the same table with you and your kind.

	Eva Balogh

TU Vienna > wrote:

>My impression, you are in a trouble. But not because of me or other
>"far-right wingers" (these are your words, not mine), but because
>you lost the connection with political reality.
> That is really
>dangerous (not the political reality, but your position in it).

	Oh, no! You don't know me well enough. Unfortunately I have a very
accurate sense of Hungarian political reality, especially because it
was only a few months ago that I spent time there and talked to people
from all walks of life. When I came back I reported my findings to the
readers of HUNGARY. I felt that the SZDSZ was doomed, partly because
it is labeled as a Jewish party and there are enough open and hidden
antisemites in Hungary  for whom this label matters, and partly
because most of the people in Hungary don't understand democracy yet.
They are either enamored by the socialist demagogs or the right-wing
demagoges. Therefore parties in between these two poles don't have a
chance.

>I said several times that it is only _your_ opinion that I am
>a far-right winger. In contrast to your statement, I am definitely
>in the mainstream.

	Well, mainstream is a bit of an exaggeration. I would put you into a
right-wing segment of the population, let's say 20 percent of the
whole.
 

>You do not hear, read the speeches of Viktor Orban, Sandor Lezsak,
>Gyorgy Giczy and Jozsef Torgyan (who is definitely not an extremist, and 
>to my little surprise, several businessman form the US and Germany ragard his
>economy policy as a _real alternative_, and especially good for business.

	Oh, yes, I do read their speeches and I am not terribly impressed. And
as for Torgyan, who, accordingly you, is "definitely not an
extremist," now that's a laugh. As for Torgyan's economist, the great
Erzsebet Gidai, I think she is not only an idiot but also a turncoat
and her so-called economic ideas are full of existing socialist ideas.

> Although you are 
>_the_ most blatant "liberal" I have ever had the pleasure of encountering, 
>I give to your score a positive epsilon. That is not too much, but 
>something.

	I find the "the most blatant "liberal'" label most interesting. Until
I encountered our Hungarian rightwingers I though of myself as a
middle-of-way road ordinary person who believes in democratic form of
government, on the one hand, and capitalist mode of production as
opposed to socialism (or Western European welfare state) , on the
other. Now, it turns out that I am a flaming liberal and a great
friend of Gyula Horn, the former member of the Politburo.

>[But because you lived too much in the US, and I know, in the US to
>understand humor is not part of the average culture, I have to note.
>Plese, do not take it too seriously. It is only a little game. 
>I had a good day today, and I like to make a lot of fun.]

	I would like to correct you on two accounrs: (1) humor is certainly a
part of American culture. It is enough to watch some of the sitcoms.
And, just for your information, I am very funny both in Hungarian and
in English. (2) This is not just a little game. The kind of ideas you
espouse are deadly serious. Don't make light of them.

	Eva Balogh


>A little dictionary to understand my post:
>liberal  = liberal. But although  "liberal" = "liberal" also valid,
>we also can state about a "liberal" that he/she is a person who only
>pretends that he/she is a liberal. Maybe, he/she is something else.
>For example a communist, or simply an idiot, or a conservative who is
>terrorized by "liberals" (and other champions of "freedom" (like TGM)) and 
>wants to stay alive.
>(I do not want to discuss in detail, whether liberals pretend or not 
>that they are liberals... . :-) I think, every reader has his/her own opinion
>about it. My guess that they are different, and this is the reason why I
>use different denotations.)

>And an other thing. For you, who the God (It is terrible, what this guy 
>dare ... .) has given a PC mind, I have a suggestion.

>Do not call people fascist, racist, etc. That sounds so bad ... . Some of
>those people, who you call for example "racist" are _really_ hurt.
>You should not hurt people! This is the overall aim of the PC new-speak!
>So I suggest you that insted of using the word "racist", use the more
>acceptable "racially conscious white person" expression.

>For fascist and anti-semite I was not able to find such a good and descriptive
>expression, but you can suggest!!! Please!!

 (T.M.Lutas) writes:

>Certainly I would expect hungarian political views to be unitary about 
>ethnic issues but a political party is much more than a vehicle for ethnic 
>issues. There is no reason whatsoever that they could not form hungarian 
>caucuses inside the various ideological parties that suit them and attempt 
>to influence events inside the mainstream parties. After all if there 
>were significant hungarian caucuses inside the USD, CDR, PDSR, as well as 
>in the minor parties, it would be difficult for Romanian chauvanists to 
>make an us v. them argument. Certainly, hungarians would get much more 
>support from their fellow party members and if they earn enough political 
>capital, they could quite easily gain more sympathy, understanding, and 
>productive legislation for their community's benefit.

I suppose this is again a matter of perceptions.  If the Hungarian 
minority in Romania shared your perception above, they would most likely
act as you suggest.  They obviously think otherwise.

>> Now, I am well aware of the views of many Romanians, namely that Romanian
>> Hungarians have no reason for such perceptions, but the fact remains that
>> such perceptions are very widespread.

>It's not that there is no recognition of the perception, it is that the 
>idea of ethnicity overriding ideology seems to have taken hold in the 
>hungarian minority in Romania. If we are to continue to avoid Yugoslavia's 
>fate, we need to get ethnicity out of politics *as an overriding interest*. 
>Ideology is a much safer medium of political confrontation.

We obviously read the lessons from the Yugoslav wars of succession very 
differently.  My view is that the majority must refrain from making the
minorities feel threatened, and must provide them with explicit legislative
rights to prove its goodwill.  The nationalistic regimes of Milosevic and
Tudjman did the exact opposite in 1989 and 1991, respectively, and these
irresponsible actions triggered first the secession of Slovenia and Croatia
and then the war.  (NB I view Bosnia a more complex case.) 

>> So, the best way for Romanians to create political divisions among Romanian
>> Hungarians is to make them feel perfectly contented as an ethnic minority ;-
).

>Hungarians, like every other political group, are never going to be 
>"perfectly contented" because democratic politics is the art of compromise.
>Everybody gives a little and feels a little pain to avoid the even greater 
>pain of negotiation via warfare. What Romania needs to do is to treat 
>Hungarians equally, not to try to buy them off and make them content while 
>ethnic Romanians feel betrayed and start signing up in droves for PUNR & PRM.

Again, the only example of successfully solving a minority problem was 
South Tyrol where the Italian majority moved first in granting extensive 
rights of local autonomy to the German speakers.  A minority is, by 
definition, disadvantaged.  It requires special rights to mitigate this
inherent situation.  If you call that a buyoff, so be it, but this is the
case.  I would call it the majority showing that it can be generous towards
the minority, something that Italian public opionion felt secure enough to 
grant.  This confidence within the majority is apparently missing in many 
other countries, including, but not limited to, Romania.

>We both need to understand in our bones that one group cannot be happy unless 
>the other group is happy as well.

Indeed.  However, it is always the majority that has the power to set the
agenda, so it is the majority that needs to take the first step.

George Antony
PERSONAL OPINION ONLY

I wrote "...Mr. Horn, as a butcher of Freedomfighters, is the
"lowest of the low" - and she [Eva Balogh] STILL forgave that
man for his crimes

Istvan answers:

"As did Erzsebet Nagy - Imre Nagy's daughter".

My answer to Istvan:

Yepp! The daughter of murdered went indeed, to place a wreath on
the grave, hand-in-hand with Gyula Horn. I never singled out Eva
Balogh for a PERSONAL ATTACK, I condemn ALL who support and/or
publicly alleviate the crimes of butchers of Freedomfighters.
If and when Erzsebet Nagy appears on Internet to also vocally support
the Horn-regime, she will not be unopposed, either. Again, mine is
NOT a personal attack but an attack on treason and on disloyalty to
ones Homeland.

--

Istvan, on a different issue, I think you are too harsh on Eva Balogh.
You wrote: " As soon as there is a response to her posting she abandons
the thread and start a new one, ... just like those travel agencies that
spring up in a location, collect payments for advertised trips, and
close down as soon as their fraud is discovered, only to reappear in a
different location. Similarly to these criminal enterprises ..."

It is quite true, that Eva Balogh not only "abandons" the thread once
she is not able or willing to debate the issue (like now, when she just
cannot counter my argument), but she has laid down a patter of abandoning
entire PLATFORMS where she is unable to hold water. (When the going gets though
,
Eva Balogh gets going ELSEWHERE...)  Thus, she has completely withdrawn from
Forum and started her "new thread" on Hungary, and when she could not counter
my last letter there, she has pressed the list owner to CENSOR ME OUT such
that she won't have to debate me. (Once I was censored out, she went on
quoting HALF of what I wrote in Forum, and tried to badmouth me on a platform
I am censored out from with "nazi" and other totally false accusations - bravo!
)

These days she writes only in "moderated" (censored) lists such as SZALON and
HUNGARY and apparently her opening a "new thread" here on SCM also backfired...
I wonder where she will  reapper next, maybe in "Nemzet"
(http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html)?

Yet, don't be so harsh on Eva Balogh, since she has all the privileges
of writing (or not writing) to any list(s) as she pleases. I would never
call her a "criminal" for THAT!

Mr. O'dor,

you wrote:
From:	TU Vienna >
Date:27 Jun 1996 14:09:17 -0000

>Dear Andra's Kornai,

[snip...]
>Good sleep, Andra's. And do not wake up, please :-) By-by. 
>Tibor
>O'dor Tibor
You sound like a mean spirited "me'rges puffancs".  

[snip...]
>So blame your father.  They made a bad job.----------
Mr. O'dor, really, we can't say much for the "job they made" on you!
And, the books you were referring to in your article that were available
free of charge from the library.....have you read them, or maybe just used
them as a door stop?

May I suggest a little physical activity, some excersize before
you get on the net to calm your nerves. I think when you get all
"puffed" up you lose perspective and write moranic things. 

me

SUBJECT: MEgorov the Village Idiot's son, is out again 

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

On 27 Jun 1996, Ivan Marinov - Maximilian Valenski wrote:

>  (Peter Szaszvari) wrote:

> >it could not improve much. Consider me as a "living" thing. I 
> >tell you clear and loud: Thank you, you don't have to worry about 
> >me. 
> >(Our dfinition of "better" may differ...)
> 
> There is only one valid definition of "good". But you're free to exercise 
> your free will and to choose a wrong definition. It's sad, but we don't 
> have right to oppose your free will.    :-((((

Actually, there are acts of free will that we most definitely do oppose --
murder is one, and not paying debts is another.  I'm quite sure one can
find more of them if they open the Penal Code.

--
Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

SUBJECT: MEgorov the Village Idiot's son, is out again 

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

In >, "Zoli Fekete, keeper
 of hungarian-faq" > writes:
 > Ha mar vannak, akik egyreszt felig komoly szoveg-elemzesnek vetik ala a
 >siliconvalley figura(ka)t, masreszt alapfelteveskent kezelik hogy PA
 >irasairol lenne szo - jeleznem, hogy a stilus sokkal inkabb Csornara
 >es/vagy Egyedre utal, amint a regebbi Forum szamokban fellelheto
 >szovegekkel egybevetve lathato...

Nem tartom kizartnak hogy a karakterek kozul legalabb egy Csorna vagy
Egyed alteregoja.  "Tothjozsi" (Copyright Pellionisz, 1995-1996, All
Rights Reserved) eseteben azonban PA a kovetkezo "mellenyulas" miatt
szinte bizonyos:

In >,  writes:
  >                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  >Tisztelt Ivan Marinov Ur!
  >
  >Minthogy tiz esztendeje Szofiaban el, talan az lehet a problema
  >gyokere, hogy az evtized soran elkenyeztette a bulgar jobboldal
  >ujsagiras legendasan magas szinvonala.
  >
  >[junk deleted]
  >
  >Tisztelettel,
  >
  >Joseph Toth
  >a Nemzet kiadoja es Szerkesztoi Bizottsaganak elnoke

Vesd ossze:

  >From: 
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  >Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
  >Subject: A HIX sulyos etikatlansaga
  >Date: 14 Jan 1996 07:41:15 -0000
  >Organization: Email-WWW-Usenet Public Gateway
  >Reply-To: 
  >
  >Felhivom a figyelmet a HIX immar halmazati sulyos etikatlansagara.
  >
  >1) A HIX ala nem tamaszthato (etikatlan) modon kicenzurazott mindenkit
  >aki a "siliconvalley" domain-t hasznalja (sot annak tulajdonosat, engem
  >is) azert mert e domain EGYIK hasznaloja (Toth Jozsef) a HIX szerint
  >vetseget kovetett el. Ez tobbszorosen etikatlannak velheto, mert
  >
  >[junk deleted]
  >
  >Felhivom a figyelmet, hogy mindaddig, mig a HIX-ben fennall egy etikatlanul
  >bevezetett cenzura, tovabbi sulyosabbnal sulyosabb etikatlansagok alapjat
  >kepezve, a HIX olvasasakor es cikkbekuldeskor mindenki olyan modon
  >kezelheti legalkalmasabban a HIX manipulalt hirkozlo rendszeret, mint
  >ahogy a kommunizmus manipulalt es a szabad vilag altal annak megfeleloen
  >elitelt es megvetett mediait kezelte.
  >
  >Dr. Pellionisz Andras
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Udv,
Nagy Peter

In article >, MEgorov > wrote:

Fiction:

>COUNTRY: Hungary
>CULTURE: NON EUROPEAN ( MONGOLIC TURKS)
>RACE:NON EUROPEAN (URAL MONGOLIC)
>RELIGION: Imposed(CHRISTIAN)
>HISTORY: Mercenaries( by the will of god or ROME)
>ECONOMY:Depending on Austria & Germany
>POLICY: Commanded by Austro -GERMS
>FUTURE: DEFINITELY UNKNOWN ( BY past and SWW2 REASONS)

Fact

COUNTRY: Hungarian Republic
CULTURE: The nation who gave the following people to the World: Bela Bartok, 
Ferenc Liszt, Mihaly Munkacsi, Victor Vasarelli, Zoltan Kodaly, George Czukor, 
etc. etc. etc
RACE: Human
RELIGION: Christian, Jewish , Traces of Moslim and Buddhist, Ateist
HISTORY: 1100 years with hostile slavic neighbours, and there is still a nation
to celebrate it.
ECONOMY: Ruined by the brute force of the largest slavic country
FUTURE: see economy

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

OK, kedves Nagy Pe'ter, azt elismerem, hogy idonkent a liberalisokat a 
szuksegesnel jobban osszemostam a kommunistakkal. Epp ezert egy masik 
threadben mar be is vezettem a liberalis es a "liberalis" megkulonboztetest.
Mentsegemul annyit hoznek fel, hogy _soha_ nem allitottam, hogy _minden_
liberalis komminista/bolsevik etc. lenne.

Msreszt, valo igaz, az indulat nem mindig jo tanacsado, es az idezett szoveget
eros indulat hatasara irtam, es
nem fejtettem ki, hogy en pl. Hayek-ot, John Sturat Mill-et, Carl G. Jung-ot
sokra tartom, es nem tartom az meberiseg ellensegenek. Annak ellenere
hogy persze hogy nem ertek veluk egyet egy csomo dologban. Mondhatni 
leginkabb semmiben.

Itt tenyleg hiba volt reszemrol, mert nekem Ok eszembe sem jutottak.
Es az sem, hogy hogy a liberalist szot ilyen ertelemben
hasznaljam, ui. a szo ket jelentesuve valt, es en csak az egyikre figyeltem.
Ezuton emiatt minden _igazi_ liberalistol elnezest kerek. A "liberalisoktol"
(Nagy Pe'ter szerintem ide tartozik, mig ellenkezojerol meg nem gyoz)
pediglen nem kerek elnezest. Tobbek kozt roluk beszeltem.
Bar meg a "liberalis" is tul tag. En igazabol a liberal-bolsevikokrol 
beszeltem.

De kedves Nagy P'ter, az istenert konyorgom, mutassa meg, hogy hol bantottam
en a zsidokat^* az emlitett szovegben, es akar mashol? Megigerem, ha
megtudja mutatni, ha olyan aljas voltam, hogy _tenyleg_ antiszemita
kijelentest tettem 
valahol, nem csak On kepzeli azt, meg nehany elvbaratja, esetleg olyan, aki 
minden egyenes beszedtol megijed, akkor  bocsanatot fogok kerni. Ontol is,
es altalaban, mindenkitol, akit akaratom ellenere megsertettem ilyen modon. 

Termeszetesen, mint mindennek, ennek ara van. Az, hogy ha sem On, sem 
baratai nem tudjak azt bizonyitani, hogy en barmelyik levelezesi listan,
newsgroupban, es egyeb nyilvanos forumon explicit _antiszemita kijelentest 
tettem_, (nem csak bele erzik, belemagyarazzak) akkor ugye az artatalansag 
velelme alapjan nem vagyok az, (es ez esetben ugy erzem, jo hiremen csorba 
esett, amit ki kene koszorulni), akkor ezt hajlandok kozzetenni, azaz,
nyitnak egy thread-et, melynek subjectje:
      O'dor Tibor nem tett antiszemita kijelenteseket
vagy valami ilyesmi. Bocsantot nem kell kerni, nincs ra fizetokepes kereslet.

         _Ez komoly ajanlat. Kerem, kezelje/ek akkent._

(* Mondjuk egyesek szerint allitolag Soros zsido szarmazasu,
es az serthet egyeseket, hogy en egy zsidot tamadok, amit megertek, mert
nekem sem szokott jol esni, ha valaki egy magyart pocskondiaz, meg akkor sem,
ha az a magyar rotenetesen zsido is, vagy komoly gazember, meg ha igaza 
is van annak, aki tamad. De en azt nem tom mi a Soros tenyleges szarmazasa, 
az emberek ossze vissza beszelnek altalaban, nem is nagyon erdekel, es 
valojaban az idezett tema szempontjabol ez szamomra legalabbis edes mindegy.)

En mar regota erzem, hogy velem kapocsolatban egyesekkel mintha valami
kommunikacios gond lenne.
Elsutok egy viccet, erre dorongokkal tamadnak ram. Lehet bennem van a hiba,
de ilyen meg velem nem tortent, mielott nem kezdtem a Net-re firkalgatni.

Jo lenne ezt az ugyet tisztazni. Egyre inkabb az az erzesem, nem ugyanazt
a magyart vagy hunglisht beszeljuk.

Visszaterve a thread eredeti temajara. Igazabol azert engedtem meg magamnak
a kis humort, mert egyezett a velemenyunk a konkret ugyben. Ennek egy kicsit
orultem, mert az a verekedes, amit egy masik threadben ban sikerult 
produkalnunk, nem igazan teccett. Erre nekem tamad, raadasul szerintem aljas 
modon. Egyetlen igazan sulyos allitasat az allitolagos antiszemita 
kijelenteseimet, ugyan felemas modon de visszavonta (nem tudja bizonyitani), 
de nyilvan fenntartja, legalabbis magaban. Ez a maganugye, de azert szeretnem
tisztazni.

Hogy vilagos legyek: 
      Nagy P'ter Ur! Isten bizony nem a szarmazasa miatt utalom!

(Ne vegye tul komolyan csak a hatas kedveert irtam.  Ha sikerul megnyugtatoan
tiszatzni ezt az ugyet, akkor OK, nem fogom utalni.)

De spongyat ra, nezzuk inkabb mi az antiszemita az idezett vagy mas 
iromanyomban, legalabbis  On szerint.

De sajnos, most be kell jelentenem, a felreertesek elkerulese vegett,
hogy erre csak 1 het mulva tudok 
valaszolni, vagy kuldje el valaszat _azonnal_, meg pentek 3-ig (europai
ido szerint) tudok valaszolni, utana 1 hetig Net elvonora megyek ;-(.
(Az orvosaim eltiltottak a Net-tol egy hetre. Krakko-ba kuldtek
gyogyterapiara, mert ott nem igazan erheto el az Internet ... :-).)

Maskulonben meg arra kerek mindenkit, hogy kuldje el amivel hozzajarul
ezen threadhez az elkovetkezo 1.5 hetben az  cimre.
Ez szamomra egy fontos threadde valt, es felek, nehany hozzaszolast
technikai okok miatt esetleg nem tok elolvasni. Koszonom.

Tisztelettel,

O'dor Tibor

Ps.: Ne higgye Nagy Ur, hogy olyan finomkodo vagyok. Mikor olvastam az
irasat, olyat mondtam, ketten is kiszaladtak a szobabol :-).

In article >, td  > wrote:
>
>really, i don't think you can get more controversial
>than with "Just how bad was communism morally?"
>
>it's just that the ones that give a damn have spent
>their last 50 years talking about it. it's kinda tiresome,
>isn't it ?

Talking about it secretly among confidential friends and family members
is not the same as talking about it publically, without fear of arrest.

Joe

T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>
>gorog ?

Hmmm ... en da'nra gondoltam.

PJ

SUBJECT: MEgorov the Village Idiot's son, is out again 

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

A MULTIBILLION (6.3 in 1995 to be more preciselly) dollar american corporation 
has recently opened the Hungarian market. Given the success they had in 
Poland, and the popularity  is enjoing already in Hungary. There is very 
little finacial risk involved in joining their team and those who join early 
have a high chance of ending up in leadership positions in a couple of years 
(and this means SERIOUS MONEY even for american standards!). Some are already 
enjoying the fruits of this rapid expansion. The best thing is that you do not 
have to quit your job to make it work (I still spend ten hours per day in the 
lab) unless this will start paying so well that you will just quit yourself. 
For hungarians at home this is a great chance to make money with almost no 
risk (it is within the possibilities of an average income) and for the ones 
abroad this is a win-win possibility: can make more money for yourself AND 
help your friends and relatives at home live better without you paying for 
that ( :) isn't that great? I plan to help my family join as soon as 
possible). Well anyway, I cannot tell you more without starting to advertise 
so if you are curious about making some extra money (without quiting your job) 
send me a mail at 
 or write (O.P. Jurma, 716 1/2 W 30th Street, Los Angeles, CA 
90007)
and I will get back to you with more information and real numbers.
Best wishes
JPO

PS> This offer is not limited to hungarians and certainly is not bound to any 
country, so you can expand in the neighbouring countries which are going to 
open soon.
PPS> And, just in case, THIS IS FOR REAL, I do not have time to make silly 
jokes.

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Scott A. Safier wrote:

> soc.motss removed as this has nothing to do with the charter of that group.
> 
> In article >,
>  (Penio Penev) wrote:


> ! | The fetus is not a human being because it depends on the woman's 
> ! | organism. As such, it is not a human being.
> ! 
> ! The one-week baby is not a human being because it depends o the
> ! organism of its parents/guardians.  
> 
> No, it doesn't.  It depends on caretakers 

Call them as you wish.  But the baby still depends on others for survival,
and quite a long time after birth.

> to perform physical acts for it,
> but it does not require them to provide bodily resources, as a pregnant
> woman does for a z/e/f.

What is a "bodily resource"?   If you read your beloved Marx, even he'll
tel you that the most precious "bodily resource" is time, since we have
only a limited ammount of it.

A mother needs eat only 20% more to supprot a baby in the womb.  A
lumberjack needs eat at least 3 times as much to support his emloyer.  So
who sucks more -- the z/e/f or your employer?  What about the IRS?

If they also take "bodily resources" from us, can we justify killing them?

Can you define what is this "bodily resource" that if provided to another
human being defines it as non-independent and, therefore, unprotected from
murderers?

> !As such, it is not a human being
> ! and deserves to die.  
> 
> You lack an ability to reason, don't you?

May be you didn't define "bodily resorce."  Do so and we'll talk.


> ! | > exterminate yourselves instead of killing innocent little children? Do 
> ! | 
> ! | Fetuses are *not* little children. Stop, please!
> ! 
> ! As well as adults are *not* little children, which, of course, does
> ! not give us the right to kill adults.  Or does it?
> 
> Ivan has already admitted to being in favor of this.  Of course, this
> piece of idiocy ignores the biology of pregnancy, as does the other stupid
> reference above.

The fact that something is not child, does not make suitable for murder,
contarary to what was suggested by the original poster.

--
Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> In article >,
>    Ivan Marinov - Maximilian Valenski > wrote:
> >There is only one valid definition of "good". 
> 
> This is too simple to my taste. I just don't believe it. 
> To me good is always good for somebody or something and there 
> used to be somebody else to whom the same thing is just plain 
> bad.
> I don't think that a good dinner for the lion is just as good for 
> the one who is getting eaten.

This is exatly why our society designates "man" as a special species, and
forbids men killing men.  This is exactly the reason lions don't go to
court, or to jail, and the reason why rabbits don't have credit cards. 

It hasn't always been like that, but the world is evolving.

--
Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

SUBJECT: MEgorov the Village Idiot's son, is out again 

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

SUBJECT: MEgorov the Village Idiot's son, is out again 

It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov State 
Mental Hospital.

He tries to get a decent paying job (Sanitation Engineer) with an above 
average pay of 4.00 (that's  "chitiri") Rubels a month, but luck seems to 
turn the other cheek.

We're sure he's unemployed, for he has more time to practice his broken 
English on the Net.

His mother, the one who has had the legendary deep 15 minutes 
relationship, with the local Village Idiot, would like to help him, yet 
she barely ekes a living herself on her 2.00 (that's  "dva") Rubels a 
month pension.

His boyfriend, who almost has gotten him pregnant, doesn't care for his 
amorous advances anymore.

So what does our Stupid Bastard do? ...

He practices his broken English on the Net.



" I'm a legend in my own mind "  ... Slavic Proverb...



Dr. Laszlo

MEgorov wrote:
> 
> The educated edition of "HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE"
> 
> COUNTRY: Hungary
> CULTURE: NON EUROPEAN ( MONGOLIC TURKS)
> RACE:NON EUROPEAN (URAL MONGOLIC)
> RELIGION: Imposed(CHRISTIAN)
> HISTORY: Mercenaries( by the will of god or ROME)
> ECONOMY:Depending on Austria & Germany
> POLICY: Commanded by Austro -GERMS
> FUTURE: DEFINITELY UNKNOWN ( BY past and SWW2 REASONS)
> 
> Note: I do not understand why the Hungarians are not proud of their
> heritage?

Te, MEgorov, te marha vagy vagy csak hulye?

MEgorov wrote:
> 
> COUNTRY: Hungary
> CULTURE: NON EUROPEAN ( MONGOLIC TURKS)
> RACE:NON EUROPEAN (URAL MONGOLIC)
> RELIGION: Imposed(CHRISTIAN)
> HISTORY: Mercenaries( by the will of god or ROME)
> ECONOMY:Depending on Austria & Germany
> POLICY: Commanded by Austro -GERMS
> FUTURE: DEFINITELY UNKNOWN ( BY past and SWW2 REASONS)
> 
> Note: I do not understand why the Hungarians are not proud of their
> heritage?

Te, MEgorov, te orult vagy vagy csak elmebeteg?

In article >,
Bela P. Havasreti > wrote:
>
>... there is a fairly serious flaw in the plan:
>
>You're trying to figure out women and how they think!!!
>
>It can't be done....          8^)
>
>Bela P. Havasreti

Well, the trying part can be done, the succeeding part is an other kaposzta.
;o)
GK

TU Vienna wrote:
 
> Kedves Marinov Ur!

Kedves beteg fasiszta baratom!

> Es meg arra valaszoljon kerem,
> hogy mikor itta ki a labvizemet?
> [Aki nem tori a magyart, az tudja, hogy ez a bizalmaskodo tegezodes
> visszautasitasara egy formula. Ezt a biztonsag kedveert irom, mert 
> Marinov
> Ur imadja felreerteni amiket irok.]

Van egy olyan rossz szokasom, hogy nem tartom tiszteletben fasiszta 
barmok kereseit. Bocsass meg ezert, de ha ma teljesitem amit kersz, s nem 
 tegezlek, akkor holnap meg azt fogod kerni, hogy ugorjak le a 80. 
emeletrol. 

> Tovabba, mivel idokozben itt egy ertelmes tarsalgas kezdett 
> kibontakozni,
> epp az ilyen fasisztazasrol, arra kerem, kapcsolodjon be kulturlenyhez
> melto modon, vagy huzzon at egy masik thread-be.
> Tovabba koszonom, hogy szep illusztraciot adott tarsalgasunkhoz.

Te vagy a kulturleny???? Te egy barom vagy, olvasd csak el nehany 
irasodat ujra. Teged gyokerestul ki kell tepni barataiddal egyutt, mert a 
tortenelem szemetdombjan a helyetek. 

S meg elvarod hogy en veled kulturaltan beszeljek? Hat mit kepzelsz te 
magadrol? Auschwitzben a helyed, nem a Interneten!

Tovabbi kellemes idetlenkedest, mindig jokat nevetek rajtad, csak kar, 
hogy az emberek azt hiszik, hogy ti vagytok a jobboldal, mert az bizony 
nem vagytok: fasiszta allatok vagytok eros bolsevik orokseggel.

Barcsak segitene rajtad Isten,

Ivan

I will be in Budapest from 1 September-31 December, and will need a 3-4
room apartment. Does anyone have suggestions on the best way to go about
the search?

   I will be in Budapest in August (and have a place to live for that
month). Are there good agencies I should check with? Places on the
Internet to post a request?

Randy Bytwerk
Calvin College

-- 
Randall Bytwerk
Calvin College

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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Eva S. Balogh wrote:
> 	Ezt mar valaki nekem par hettel ezelott maganlevelben is megirta, de
> mivel akkoriban, amikor Csornai es Egyed irsogalt a Forumra, en meg
> nem olvastam a HIX kiadvanyokat nem tudom eldonteni, hogy igaz-e ez

 Amikor eppen mukodik a HIX kereso rutinja ;-( (ami, azt hiszem, meg 
mindig csak a gopher interface utjan erheto el - a Web-kereses jo ideje a 
RealSoonNow statuszaban leledzven), akkor kikeresheto a csorna@ sztringgel.
 Jelzem, mar azokban a klasszikus idokben feltunt a 'Szalasi csak egy
nemzet-mento hazafi volt' tema, ugyhogy meg kell bocsass(on) nekunk
regebbi resztvevoknek, Eva, ha nem vagyunk oly meglepetve az ilyeten
dicsoites Forum-beli megjelenesen - es plane nem gondoljuk hogy valami 
friss elfajulasrol lenne szo... 
 Hasonloan az alnevekkel valo jatszadozas (altalaban osszekotve a 
"liberalbolsik" altali uldozottseg fonalaval) is regi lemez.

- --
 Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
*SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
*with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
*excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!


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 (C.Pical) wrote:

>Quite amazing, but not surprising to me. It appears that our (I am 
>french, so I have to say "our" here though I do not like our 
>government) new government is making it as painful as possible for 
>people to get into France, whether for a short visit or else, and even 
>for French citizen to renew thei passport. I experienced this. When you 
>ask the consulate in London for the papers necessary to get a new 
>passport and identity card, here's what they ask for:
>- birth certificate (less than 3 month old)
>- military paper
>- if you are married, family book
>- 6 salary statements, or 6 rent statements, or equivalent
>I got married over a year ago in Sweden (not in Stockholm), and have a 
>9-month old child. So I wrote to France to ask how I could get a family 
>book. First thing, I had to transcribe our wedding certificate to the 
>French registers at the french ambassy in Stockholm. In Stockholm they 
>wanted a copy of the Swedish wedding paper, a citizenship certificate, 
>a birth certificate from my wife. Next thing then, my birth 
>certificate. For this I had to get in touch with the justice department 
>in St Etienne, where I was born. There, they told me they wanted my 
>wedding certificate! At that point, 3 months had already elapsed since 
>I started these enquiries. I called back the French consulate in London 
>and explained all this. They did not make it easier, but I was told 
>that I could register (mandatory formality before applying for a new 
>passport) even if I did not have all the required papers. So I went to 
>London. To my very good surprise, I immediately got an "Immatriculation 
>card" and a new identity card, and was told that they would contact 
>Paris to know whether I could get a new passport. Forgotten all the 
>family book and the rest. And indeed, a few days letter I received a 
>letter saying that my passport was ready to be picked up. Got it by 
>mail a few days later. However, I am far from having my family book. 
>Still fighting qround to get a citizenship certificate, than I can ask 
>for my family book. I am French, I have a new id card and passport, but 
>that is not enough to prove that I am french. I hate them!

All embassies do that with their own citizens. I waited more than 9 
months in 1988-1989 for a passport for my son at the Hungarian embassy in 
Sofia. Later when my own passport was stollen, I had to contact a 
vice-minister in order to receive my passport without waiting a few 
months.

Ivan

In article >,
 (George Antony Ph 93818) wrote:

>  (T.M.Lutas) writes:
> 
> >Certainly I would expect hungarian political views to be unitary about 
> >ethnic issues but a political party is much more than a vehicle for ethnic 
> >issues. There is no reason whatsoever that they could not form hungarian 
> >caucuses inside the various ideological parties that suit them and attempt 
> >to influence events inside the mainstream parties. After all if there 
> >were significant hungarian caucuses inside the USD, CDR, PDSR, as well as 
> >in the minor parties, it would be difficult for Romanian chauvanists to 
> >make an us v. them argument. Certainly, hungarians would get much more 
> >support from their fellow party members and if they earn enough political 
> >capital, they could quite easily gain more sympathy, understanding, and 
> >productive legislation for their community's benefit.
> 
> I suppose this is again a matter of perceptions.  If the Hungarian 
> minority in Romania shared your perception above, they would most likely
> act as you suggest.  They obviously think otherwise.

I would make the case that even with ethnic hostility, the strategy that 
I have outlined would be more successful over the long haul to acheive 
ethnic hungarian aspirations than the separatist (politically) idea of 
the UDMR. If you ethnically separate, you are setting up conditions where 
ethnicity becomes more of a consideration, not less. For a minority that 
is a deadly idea over the long haul.

> >> Now, I am well aware of the views of many Romanians, namely that Romanian
> >> Hungarians have no reason for such perceptions, but the fact remains that
> >> such perceptions are very widespread.

> >It's not that there is no recognition of the perception, it is that the 
> >idea of ethnicity overriding ideology seems to have taken hold in the 
> >hungarian minority in Romania. If we are to continue to avoid Yugoslavia's 
> >fate, we need to get ethnicity out of politics *as an overriding interest*. 
> >Ideology is a much safer medium of political confrontation.

> We obviously read the lessons from the Yugoslav wars of succession very 
> differently.  My view is that the majority must refrain from making the
> minorities feel threatened, and must provide them with explicit legislative
> rights to prove its goodwill.  The nationalistic regimes of Milosevic and
> Tudjman did the exact opposite in 1989 and 1991, respectively, and these
> irresponsible actions triggered first the secession of Slovenia and Croatia
> and then the war.  (NB I view Bosnia a more complex case.) 

If anything should have disproven your case it was Bosnia. They had tight 
ethnic integration, a lot of cross ethnic mixing, a significant portion 
of the population did not view themselves as serb, croat, or muslim, this 
is the kind of situation where there really *was* no majority to threaten 
a minority since what you have in Bosnia is a set of ethnic groups, none 
of which have a majority. 

Still the ethnicization of politics led to the destructive explosion that 
you've seen there. I remember a statement by a member of Bosnia's ruling 
council, not two weeks before the start of hostilities, that a war in 
Bosnia would be impossible because the mixing was so complete, they would 
have to fight building by building, floor by floor. It turns out that they 
did fight just that way. 

The key to ethnic peace in Transylvania is for the romanian ethnics to 
try to sap the strength of the PUNR and the PRM while hungarian ethnics 
break their monolithic UDMR into ideological parties. The grand alliance 
of opposition parties to Funar in Cluj shows that romanian ethnics realize 
that the PUNR is unhealthy. What have the hungarians ethnics done to 
demonstrate that they realize that they too are willing to de-ethnicize their 
politics? This has got to be a two-way street, otherwise the forces for 
moderation on the other side will lose their fight and there will be 
significant inter-ethnic conflict down the road.

> >We both need to understand in our bones that one group cannot be happy
unless 
> >the other group is happy as well.

> Indeed.  However, it is always the majority that has the power to set the
> agenda, so it is the majority that needs to take the first step.

So do you recognize that the grand alliance in Cluj was such a first step?

DB

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Dear contributos to this newsgroup:

I hope that the rest of you too was upset by what
the sickman of AOL, Megorov, has done. He has exercised
censorship.
I am not technically competent to figure out how Megorov
has done the contributions. But many of you probably will
solve the problem.
Hungarians are good at technical matters and I hope that
some of you will find a way to teach Megorov a lesson
not, ever again, try to exercise "technical" censorship
over other peoples' freedom of expression and, especially,
not to meddle with Hungarians
I have emailed to AOL (Megorov's Internet and email service)
a letter of complaint, documenting as much as I could, Megorov's
activities. It seems that AOL has a department, so called
Postmaster, that is concerned with client abuses. Please
send an email to Him/Her (email is: )
I am attaching a copy of that letter below. I think what
Megorov has done by this morning (here in California, June 28,
Fridays) is just too much. He deserves to be punished.
Sincerely, Laszlo horvath
----------------

                       Laszlo Horvath
                       Hoover Institution
                       Stanford University
                       Palo Alto, CA

                       June 28, 1996

Postmaster
America Online

Dear Madam/Sir:

A certain MEgorov, and AOL subscriber, several weeks ago
started mailing abusive, provocative, inflamatory notes to
the newsgroup Soc.culture.magyar. Most of these Megorov notes
are abusive of Hungary and Hungarians.
Contributors to the newsgroup on the whole decided to ignore
Megorov, seeing that a sick and disturbed person was at work.
Megor seems to have been mailing similar notes to the emails
of individual contributors as well.
But this morning (June 28, Friday) we are confronted with a very
serious problem. Somehow Megorov has managed to replace the contents
of most contributions to the newsgroup with a standard abusive
contributions, including those of most electronic journals presented
on this newsgroup.
This is a very serious case: Megorov has exercised censorship, denied
the rights of the readers/browsers of, and contributors to, this
news group.
For technical reasons I am unable to attach a copy of the index of
this mornings's Soc.culture.magyar. You could see that 80 percent of
the long list of contributors' name is that of Megorov.
I was looking forward this morning, as I am sure many other
contributors, to read one anothers comments on subjects we consider
serious, and to read the various electronicjournals, and uppon
opening each item, find only Megorov's standard abusive note.
I am attaching below copies of some of his activities and hope
that AOL officials will look into this matter.
Thank you. Sincerely, Laszlo Horvath )
P.s. the last Megorov posting (dated June 27) is the one that he
has somehow succeeded to substitute for almost all the non-Megorov
postings (including electronic journals) to this newsgroup.
> --------------------------------------------------------

Deja News' search index record of Megorov's Internet transactions
between dates below:

Hits 1 - 20 of 40:
       Date   Scr        Subject              Newsgroup           Author

  1. 96/06/16 025 tttttttttttttttttttttttt soc.culture.romania 
 (ME
  2. 96/06/15 025 era                      soc.culture.romania 
 (ME
  3. 96/06/25 023 Re: (no subject)         soc.culture.magyar  "Juan C. 
Azcoitia"
  4. 96/06/25 023 Re: (no subject)         soc.culture.magyar  "Juan C. 
Azcoitia"
  5. 96/06/22 023 Re: hun. language        soc.culture.magyar  

  6. 96/06/21 023 Re: Cultural Information bit.listserv.hungar 
 (ME
  7. 96/06/20 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

  8. 96/06/20 022 Re: hungarian language   soc.culture.magyar  Joan 
Azcoitia <proj
  9. 96/06/18 022 hungarian language       soc.culture.magyar  
 (ME
 10. 96/06/18 022 The 'megorov'troll / Re: soc.culture.magyar  "Zoli 
Fekete, keepe
 11. 96/06/18 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
 (ME
 12. 96/06/18 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
.
 13. 96/06/18 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
 (ME
 14. 96/06/17 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
.
 15. 96/06/17 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
.
 16. 96/06/16 022 Re: USA                  soc.culture.magyar  

 17. 96/06/16 022 Re: USA                  soc.culture.magyar  

 18. 96/06/16 022 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

 19. 96/06/14 022 USA                      soc.culture.magyar  
 (ME
 20. 96/06/14 022 HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE       soc.culture.magyar  
 (ME
 21. 96/06/22 022 Re: hun. language        soc.culture.magyar  

 22. 96/06/22 022 Re: hun. language        soc.culture.magyar  

 23. 96/06/21 022 HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE       soc.culture.magyar  
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 24. 96/06/21 022 hun. lang.               bit.listserv.hungar 
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 25. 96/06/22 021 Re: hun. language        soc.culture.magyar  Ivan 
Marinov <ivi@i
 26. 96/06/21 021 hungarian language       soc.culture.magyar  
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 27. 96/06/21 021 hun. language            soc.culture.magyar  
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 28. 96/06/19 021 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  "Juan C. 
Azcoitia"
 29. 96/06/18 021 Re: hungarian language   soc.culture.magyar  
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 30. 96/06/18 021 hungarian language       soc.culture.magyar  
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 31. 96/06/17 021 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  
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 32. 96/06/16 021 Re: USA                  soc.culture.magyar  
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 33. 96/06/16 021 Re: USA                  soc.culture.magyar  

 34. 96/06/15 021 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

 35. 96/06/15 021 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

 36. 96/06/15 021 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

 37. 96/06/14 021 Re: USA                  soc.culture.magyar  

 38. 96/06/03 021 Vlachs                   soc.culture.romania 
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 39. 96/06/21 020 Re: (no subject)         soc.culture.magyar  Laszlo 
Horvath <lho
 40. 96/06/16 020 Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE   soc.culture.magyar  

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Prior to that he had also posted the following:

     14 articles posted between 1996/06/03 and 1996/06/21.
     21 % followups.
     Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups (slightly skewed 
by
     cross-postings):
          9 soc.culture.magyar
          3 soc.culture.romanian
          2 bit.listserv.hungary
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Samples from Megorov's postings:

Article 19 of 40

Subject:      USA
From:          (MEgorov)
Date:         1996/06/14
Message-Id:   >
Sender:       
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Reply-To:      (MEgorov)
Newsgroups:   soc.culture.magyar
In U.S.of A you cannot find more than 100,000 Hungarians(MONGOLS),the 
rest
to probably 300,000 are inocent hard working jews,slavs,germans,etc.
(A Jew who is still alive)
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In article > you write:
>CONTRY: Hungary
>CULTURE:Non  European
>RACE:      Non  European ( Mongolic Turk)
>RELIGION: (Inpoused) Cristian
>HISTORY: Play the role of mercenarys (Very relible for Austrans)
>ECONOMY: Dependening on Austria,GERMANY
>POLACY:  Commanded by  AUSTRO-GERMANS
>FUTURE:   Unknown----------------
Subject: Re: *** RANDI *** #510
Date: 27 Jun 1996 18:25:08 -0400
From:  (MEgorov)
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
References: >
The educated edition of "HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE"
COUNTRY: Hungary
CULTURE: NON EUROPEAN ( MONGOLIC TURKS)
RACE:NON EUROPEAN (URAL MONGOLIC)
RELIGION: Imposed(CHRISTIAN)
HISTORY: Mercenaries( by the will of god or ROME)
ECONOMY:Depending on Austria & Germany
POLICY: Commanded by Austro -GERMS
FUTURE: DEFINITELY UNKNOWN ( BY past and SWW2 REASONS)