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The Art of Laszlo Tar..... 
--------------------------------- 
I would like to introduce and invite you to visit an on-line exhibit of the
works of Laszlo Tar, entitled "Watercolors of New York City", which can be
found on the Hungarian Information Resource web page at: 
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In 1956, he came to the United States, with his family and settled in New
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He has had few exhibits in the U.S., but he was well established in Hungary
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pass along your comments. 
 
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-- 
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 16:14:45 -0600
From: Dianne Falina >
Subject: kuvasz

Is there a toy store in Hungary that I can contact?  
I am looking for a stuffed animal, a plush toy Kuvasz dog.  
Please help.

Dear Gotthard:  If you would, please forward my message to
soc.culture.magyar.  Thank you for your help in this regard.  

Sincerely,
Dianne

A Kulfoldi Magyar Cserkeszszovetseg ebben az evben unnepli nyugati
ujraszervezodesenek 50. evfordulojat. A cserkesz kezben levo 120 kat.
holdas, sok anyagi aldozattal es szivos munkaval kiepitett Sik Sandor
Cserkeszparkban kereken 500 magyar fiu- es leany vidam eneketol,
kopacsolasatol es csatakialtasaitol hangos az erdo. A honfoglalas
mesekereteben egy even at keszultek fel negy vilagreszen erre a
seregszemlere. Az 1100 ev elotti honfoglalasra emlekeztet itt most minden:
oltozet, "harci fegyverzet", mondak, regek, regies beszed es elnevezesek,
a taj atkeresztelt terkepe es atkoltott dal-szovegek...

     A jubileumi taborkapu jelvenyen ezek az evszamok lathatok:
1910 - 1945 - 1995.

     Ezeknek a taboroknak legkoreben koszontik az osszesereglett kulfoldi
magyar cserkeszek a 75 eves Bodnar Gabort, a kommunistak altal betiltott
es a 1945-ben kulfoldon ujra-indult mozgalmunk messzire lato, vaskaratu es
aldozatos faklyavivojet. Hazankban az 1989-ben ujraeledt Magyar
Cserkeszszovetseg is elkuldte koszonto kovetet erre az alkalomra, dr.
Lukacs Janos ugyvezeto elnokuk szemlyeben. A hazulrol erkezett tavirat
atadasakor, mikor a taborban keszult faragott kituntetest Bodnar Gabor
nyakaba akasztottakm sok szaz fiatal rivalgasa kozben, hisszuk, hogy negy
vilagreszen visszahangzik a dal:
                     "Amennyi fuszal van a tarka mezoben,
                      annyi aldas szalljon Gabor ba fejere!"

     Lendvai-Lintner Imre, a Kulfoldi Magyar Cserkeszszovetseg ugyvezeto
elnoke nyilatkozatabol idezunk:

Bodnar Gabor az iden 75 eves! Haromnegyed evszazadnyi eletebol 50 ev a
kulfoldi magyar cserkeszete. Koszontjuk ot, aki talan mindenkinel tobbet
tett a magyar cserkeszmozgalomert.
Bodnar Gabor Miskolcon 1920 szeptember 9-en szuletett. Ott jart iskolaba
es 15 eves koraban lett cserkesz. Hamarosan orsvezeto, majd 1939-ben, 19
eves koraban cserkesztiszt lett. 1942-ben az Orszagos Cserkesz Nagytanacs
tagjava valasztottak. A haboruban mint katona harcolt a szovjet csapatok
ellen, 1945-ben nyugatra kerult. Az emigracios magyar cserkeszet
nemetorszagi es ausztriai egyik fokezdemenyezoje es szervezoje.
Az o erdeme, hogy mozgalmunk az emigracioban elo magyarsag legfontosabb es
legnagyobb szervezeteve valt. Az 1945-46-ban a nemet es osztrak lagerek
nyomorusagos korulmenyei kozott szervezodo csapat csirakbol napjainkra
kontinenseket behalozo jol szervezett mozgalom lett, amely ma is az akkori
elvek alapjan tevekenykedik, hiven teljesitve Isten, Haza, az embertarsak
es a magyarsag szolgalatara tett fogadalmat.
Gabor ba! Kulfoldi magyar cserkeszetunk 1995 evi jubileuman, es
szuletesnapodon szeretettel koszontunk es mindent jot kivanunk! Isten
eltessen! Aldjon meg eddigi onfelaldozasodert es adjon erot tovabbi
munkadhoz a magyarsagert es a fiatalsagert.

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Istvan Bakos, secretary of the MVSz 
(World Federation of Hungarians), would like to meet
the Hungarian community in Washington, DC during 
his visit to the USA. He is going to give a talk 
at 4pm on Saturday, September 2nd, 1995.

Kossuth Haz
2001 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: (202)-328-2630

Dear M:

Pomegranate (seedy apple) as you probably know is native to Southwest 
Asia and favors warm climates.  The Hungarians call it "gra'na'talma,  
where alma means apple and gra'na't  means verbatim grenades, although 
here it does not mean that but it was taken from the latin name.

It is not very well know today, but if I remember correctly it was used 
as a decoration on wild meat trays mostly in the Middle Ages.  I am not 
aware that it means much in Hungary today, but I may be mistaken since I 
have left Hungary in 1956.

I hope others answer you and give you more information than I could.

Domo arigato gozaimash for your interest.

Frank J. Holly - Lubbock, TX, USA

P.S.  By the way  with the symbols  a'  I meant a letter a with a ' over 
it.  This is pronounced in Hungarian as the Spanish "a"  or in English , 
the "o" in the word rob.  a in Hungarian is pronounced as "u" in cut.
Hungarians also use the Latin alphabet  but has double letters for 
certain sounds such as cs, ny, ty, gy  and letter with "accents" or 
double dots or double commas over them.

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 of Romania
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the benefit of farmer members of PROPACT* (the only farmers association suppo
rtive of the
Romanian Democratic Convention [CDR]**) will help the moral and material resto
ration of the
Romanian private farming sector.
______________
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Romania)
PROPACT: over 300,000 members; related to:
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Civic Alliance Supporting Group in Munich (reg. assoc.)

Last month I went to Budapest for professional reasons and I spent there 5
fantastic days !
I came back with the following questions.
(1) From a novel (I'm 15 and I don't want to die, Christine Arnothy) I had
understood that before 1945 there was a bridge between the Lanc hid and
the Margit hid. Is it true or did I misread ?
(2) I was surprised to find only german beer in bars. Beside the great
wine tradition, is there no beer tradition in Hungary ?

-- 
Christian GAUVRIT
Dijon, France

For public notice and general consumption


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ch 70 percent of Australians state they believe 
UFO's are real, tune to EVolution -  http://www.highway1.com.au:80/arts/evoluti
on (Australia) or http://loft-gw.zone.org/evolution in 
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There are over 30 vital statistics on Australian opinions to UFOs including TV 
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The latest issue of REVelation (avaliable in Australia now and globally next mo
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 Archaeology. more details on subject, survey, 
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thank you for your time

the REVerend Ed

I have been trying, without success, to find where Boroslov and Dubetsk
 (the native towns of my great-grandparents) are located in what was
 once part of Austria.

 They emigrated around 1900-1910, so these towns may not be within
 Austria's current bundaries.

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FRED CUNY'S FAMILY HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCE. Relatives of U.S. aid
specialist Fred Cuny, missing in Chechnya since April, said at a 17
August press conference in Moscow that they believe Cuny was killed by
Chechen separatist fighters shortly after he disappeared on 8 April.
According to Cuny's brother Christopher, Russian intelligence agents
arranged to have Fred Cuny killed in retaliation for his earlier
published criticism of the Russian military intervention in Chechnya.
Disinformation planted by the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB),
added Cuny's brother, led the Chechen separatists to execute Fred Cuny
as an intelligence agent on 14 April. While the U.S. Embassy in Moscow
officially announced that it could not confirm the family's information,
an anonymous American diplomat described the story as "credible."
Aleksandr Mikhailov, spokesman for the FSB, told Interfax on 17 August
that the Cuny family's account is "nonsense" and said the FSB believes
Cuny is still alive. -- Scott Parrish, OMRI, Inc.

FOREIGN MINISTRY EXPRESSES CONCERN OVER ABM TREATY. Mikhail Demurin, a
spokesman for the Russian Foreign Ministry, told ITAR-TASS on 17 August
that Russia believes a bill pending in the U.S. Senate, calling for the
design and financing of a limited defense against ballistic missile
attack by the year 2003, would lead to the "actual liquidation" of the
1972 agreement. The diplomat warned that Russia continues to regard the
ABM agreement as the cornerstone of all other strategic arms control
agreements. New American initiatives which violated the ABM treaty could
cause the Duma to refuse to ratify START-2 and might lead Russia to
withdraw from START-1, Demurin added. The bill, a compromise version of
an earlier Republican-sponsored proposal that was criticized by the
Clinton administration, awaits examination by the full Senate this
coming September. -- Scott Parrish, OMRI, Inc.

TAJIK CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT EXTENDED SIX MONTHS. The Tajik government and
the opposition signed an agreement to extend by six months a ceasefire
that was due to expire on 26 August, according to Western agencies. On
17 August, Tajik President Imomali Rakhmonov signed it in Dushanbe while
opposition leader Said Abdullo Nuri did so in Kabul. The UN
representative present at the Kabul signing, said the agreement also
covers political and military integration and helps returning refugees,
Voice of America reported. The two sides settled on 18 September as the
date for the next round of talks, but they have not agreed to a venue.
This is the third time the ceasefire agreement has been extended since
last September. -- Bruce Pannier, OMRI, Inc.

LITHUANIA TO SELL GOVERNMENT BONDS ABROAD. Prime Minister Adolfas
Slezevicius told a press conference on 17 August that an American or
Japanese company will soon be authorized to sell Lithuanian government
bonds abroad, BNS reported. He said that the earlier practice of selling
the bonds only in Lithuania was detrimental since it had increased the
cost of loans in commercial banks. Lithuania is following the example of
Latvia, which recently reached an agreement with the Nomura Securities
Company in Japan to receive a $45 million loan in exchange for two-year
Latvian government bonds with 5.4% annual interest. -- Saulius Girnius,
OMRI, Inc.

CEFTA MEETING IN WARSAW. Trade ministers from the Central European Free
Trade Agreement (CEFTA) -- the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and
Slovakia -- began a two-day meeting in Warsaw on 17 August. Slovenia's
trade minister is also present. The conditions of admitting Slovenia to
CEFTA are to be discussed together with an agreement on the reduction or
elimination of tariffs on industrial products from 1 January 1996,
Polish and international media reported. -- Jakub Karpinski, OMRI, Inc.

POLISH "WATERGATE." Two right-wing presidential candidates, Polish
National Bank President Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz and Supreme Court
President Adam Strzembosz, at a common press conference on 17 August
strongly criticized secret negotiations on extending current President
Lech Walesa's term of office for another two years. Gronkiewicz-Waltz
compared these negotiations to the Watergate affair that forced U.S.
President Richard Nixon to resign. Strzembosz said that allowing for
Walesa's term to be extended meant "not only the instrumentalization of
law, but also the abolition of the normative character of the
constitution," Polish media reported on 18 August. -- Jakub Karpinski,
OMRI, Inc.

SLOVAK OFFICIAL ON U.S. RELATIONS. Foreign Ministry State Secretary
Jozef Sestak told Slovak Radio on 17 August that the U.S. "supports the
positive development in Slovakia." The ministry sent a note to the U.S.
government on 9 August, asking whether it had changed its attitude
towards the Slovak government (see OMRI Daily Digest, 10 August 1995).
According to Sestak, the U.S. requested that its response not be made
public, but he stated that the U.S. government "reconfirmed mutual
respect" between the two countries, and said it was "prepared to
cooperate . . . with Slovakia's democratically elected representatives."
Sestak also reacted to an editorial in The New York Times on 15 August
which said "both Bonn and Washington have stepped up their warnings that
[increasing government intervention in such areas as culture and
education] would bar Slovakia from NATO and the European Union." Sestak
called the editorial "a compilation of various facts and half-truths"
and said the U.S. "promptly reacted," disagreeing with both its timing
and its contents. -- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

BRATISLAVA RADIO STATION GIVES LISTENERS ALTERNATIVE. Bratislava-based
Radio Twist on 21 August will launch its news program, "Zurnal Radio
Twist," to compete with state-owned Slovak Radio's "Radiozurnal." The
start-up date was planned to coincide with the anniversary of the 1968
Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia. According to the program's
director Lubos Machaj, "it is a day when we lost our freedom 27 years
ago and a day when our station will begin to freely broadcast
information," Pravda reports. The program's journalists include several
well-known figures who were dismissed from state TV and radio. From
September the program, to be broadcast twice daily for 25 to 35 minutes,
will also be accessible in central Slovakia through a network of other
stations. -- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

MILOSEVIC MEETS HOLBROOKE, BILDT. BETA reported on 17 August that on the
same day Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic met with U.S. Assistant
Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke for five hours, but no agreement
was reached on a resolution to the Bosnian crisis. Talks between the two
resumed on 18 August, but were interrupted the previous day when
European Union negotiator Carl Bildt made "an unexpected stopover" in
Belgrade and himself met with Milosevic. Bildt is persona non grata in
Zagreb, following his charge that Croatian President Franjo Tudjman may
be guilty of war crimes, and Bosnian government officials have refused
to meet with him, observing that the peace process he is promoting is
dead. Finally, AFP on 18 August reports that Milosevic is slated to meet
the Greek and Spanish foreign ministers the same day. -- Stan Markotich,
OMRI, Inc.

DOLE OPPOSES LIFTING SANCTIONS AGAINST BELGRADE. U.S. Senate majority
leader Bob Dole on 17 August sent a letter to President Bill Clinton,
cautioning against lifting sanctions against Belgrade until a
comprehensive regional peace settlement is reached, international media
reported. At least a partial lifting of sanctions in exchange for
Belgrade's recognition of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia is
reportedly part of the plan being discussed in the region by Assistant
Secretary of State Holbrooke. "If we lift sanctions now for what are
clearly minimal returns, such a comprehensive settlement will be
virtually impossible to reach and implement . . . The bottom line is
that sanctions are the only real leverage the international community
has been willing to use on the Belgrade regime," wrote Dole. -- Stan
Markotich, OMRI, Inc.

BULGARIA DROPS AGAIN IN UN DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE. The UN Human Development
Report puts Bulgaria in 65th place among the 174 UN members,
Demokratsiya reports on 18 August. In 1991, Bulgaria ranked 33rd and in
1994 it was 48th. The report measures GDP, real spending power, life
expectancy, and education level. According to the report, average life
expectancy went down by almost four years since 1991, and is now 71.2
years. Men's life expectancy is only 67.6 years, and women's 74.4. Some
7% of the Bulgarian population are "absolutely illiterate." A ranking of
women's emancipation, which includes women's participation in economic
and political decision-making, puts Bulgaria in 20th place, two below
Hungary. They are the only former Communist countries among the top 20.
-- Stefan Krause, OMRI, Inc.

U.S. MILITARY DELEGATION VISITS ALBANIA. A high-ranking U.S. military
delegation visited Albania on 17 August, BETA reported the same day. The
delegation was received by President Sali Berisha, who described the
situation in the Balkans as "very tense" and said that Serbia should not
be thanked for its restraint after the Croatian offensive since that
would be to "reward the aggressor." He also said that the settlement of
refugees in Kosovo increases the danger of a spill-over of the conflict
to the south. Meanwhile, Albania and the U.S. signed an agreement for $5
million worth of humanitarian aid. It contains mainly olive oil and is
part of a $70 million aid package to Albania. -- Fabian Schmidt, OMRI,
Inc.
  
[As of 1200 CET]
[As of 12:00 CET]
Compiled by Victor Gomez
Compiled by Steve Kettle

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In article > 
.ch (Radovan Cerny) writes:
>From:  (Radovan Cerny)
>Subject: Re: More Countries May Soon Join CEFTA
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 10:35:51 GMT

>In article >  (Ross Hedvi
cek) writes:
>>Xref: news.unige.ch soc.culture.polish:32097 soc.culture.slovenia:2390
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>>In article >  (Leszek Andrze
j
>>Kleczkowski) writes:
>>>From:  (Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski)
>>>Subject: Re: More Countries May Soon Join CEFTA
>>>Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:41:04 GMT

>>>Jerry Ostrowski ) wrote:
>>>:       Per Reuters, CEFTA (Central European Free Trade Agreement) may
>>>: soon be modified to allow admission of a new member - Slovenia.  
>>>: CEFTA was established by Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia
>>>: in 1992 to promote free trade among the member countries by eliminating
>>>: or reducing tariff duties.  Apart from Slovenia - Romania, Lithuania,
>>>: Latvia and Estonia have expressed their interest in joining the
>>>: organization.
>>>:        Poland's trade with the other CEFTA countries grew to
>>>: US$1.7 billion last year from US$1.3 in 1992. In the first five months
>>>: of 1995 it totalled already more than US$1 billion.

>>>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>>>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
>>>Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against the
 
>>>Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
>>>authorities decision??

>>>Leszek

>>True rationale seems to be:

>>1) eliminate influx of insolvent people from the East, Far East and Middle 
>>East.

>>2) Rip off people from the West a little more by ordering them to exchange 
>>Western currency right on the border (I am pretty sure at a exchange rate not
 
>>tooooo gooood for tourist).

>>The same trick was used for years during communist rule. Remember? 
>>They'rrreeee baaaaaaaaacck!

>>Rosta        
>>----------------------------------
>>"I ain't gonna be, I ain't gonna be no fool no more."
>>                           John Lee Hooker - Wasted Years
>>                    


>The same trick is used by several West-European countries (I mean daily 
>allowance). 
>They'rrreeeee baaaaaaaaaaacck everywheeeeeeeeeeerrrreeeeeeee!

>  Radovan Cerny

>  Laboratoire de Cristallographie, University of Geneva, Switzerland

Sure, with all those socialist regimes in Western Europe.

Matt Kovacs ) wrote:
: Can anyone recommend a recent, brief, concise, and accurate history of
: the Magyar people ? Thanks.
:                             Matt Kovacs

The next world congress on Hungaroloy is autumn 1996 in Rome.

The next to that will be the year 2001. 
The University of Jyv{skyl{ is going to try to get it to Jyv{skyl{ 
that year.

We have just finished the Eigth Congress on Finno-Ugrian Culture
here in Jyv{skyl{. The next one will be the year 2000 in Tartu,
Estonia.

I had an opportunity to meet Hungarians from Hungary,Romania,
Norway and Usa in the aforementioned congress.

There were 300+ Hungarians in our little town in addition
to 100+ Estonians and 300+ persons representing those
Finno-Ugric peoples living in Russian federation and
hundreds of the Finns who got an opportunity to meet
language cousins from all over the world.

regards,
jarmo
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FOREIGN MINISTRY CALLS FOR COORDINATION OF PEACE EFFORTS. Alexander
Gorelik, head of the International Organizations Department of the
Russian Foreign Ministry, told Interfax on 16 August that Russia could
reach consensus with the U.S. on a single peace plan for former
Yugoslavia. Gorelik said recent Russian and U.S. initiatives have much
in common, although he noted that Russia opposed parts of the American
proposal that reportedly call for the use of military force against any
of the warring parties that refuse to accept a peace plan. Gorelik's
comments represented a step back from President Yeltsin's failed bid
last week to mediate a resolution of the Yugoslav conflict unilaterally.
Also on 16 August, a convoy of 49 trucks loaded with 150 tons of
humanitarian aid left the Moscow suburb of Noginsk, Russian and Western
agencies reported. The convoy is the second of three planned shipments
of Russian aid for Croatian Serb refugees. -- Scott Parrish, OMRI, Inc.

GRAIN HARVEST LIKELY TO PLUMMET DRAMATICALLY. The Russian grain harvest
could plummet this year to 45-50 million metric tons because of drought
and equipment shortages, according to Agriculture Ministry experts
quoted on 16 August by ITAR-TASS. That compares with a harvest of 81.3
million tons last year and with previous forecasts for this year of 80
million tons (see OMRI Daily Digest, 9 August 1995). According to a 16
August report provided by the Bloomberg Business News Service, Russia is
not likely to turn to U.S. suppliers to meet its grain shortfall. The
U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) curtailed credit lines to Russia
in December 1992 when it defaulted on payments due for past grain
purchases; Russian grain buyers have not made any requests for grain
credits since then. The report said that a top USDA official expressed
skepticism over the size of Russia's predicted drop in production. On 11
August, the USDA estimated that Russia will harvest 70.1 million tons of
wheat, corn, and other coarse grains. At the same time, the USDA raised
its forecast for Russian wheat imports from 1 million tons to 4 million
tons. -- Thomas Sigel, OMRI, Inc.

SLOVAK PREMIER WALKS OUT OF MEETING WITH PRESIDENT . . . Vladimir Meciar
on 16 August walked out of a meeting called by Michal Kovac to brief the
premier on a recent trip to the U.S., Reuters and TASR reported. Kovac
returned from his 12-day visit on 14 August and canceled a press
conference initially scheduled for the next day, saying he first wanted
to consult with Meciar and parliament chairman Ivan Gasparovic. Kovac
caused a commotion while he was away by telling Slovak Radio that U.S.
officials believe Slovakia is falling behind its neighbors in reforms
and the development of democracy. After reading a seven-page written
report on Kovac's trip, Meciar and Gasparovic left the meeting without
comment. According to presidential spokesman Vladimir Stefko, the
meeting lasted only 14 minutes. -- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

.. . . WHILE U.S. RESPONDS TO SLOVAK NOTE. The U.S. has replied to a note
sent by the Slovak Foreign Ministry asking whether the U.S. has changed
its attitude towards the Slovak government, Sme reported on 17 August.
The ministry sent the note on 9 August, following Kovac's statements on
Slovak Radio (see OMRI Daily Digest, 10 August 1995). The content of the
U.S. response, which was delivered by the U.S. embassy in Bratislava on
15 August, is unknown. Details of "a friendly working meeting" between
U.S. Ambassador Theodore Russell and Gasparovic on 16 August were also
concealed. According to Stefko, even Kovac has not been informed about
the U.S. response to the note. In an interview published in Pravda on 17
August, the president called the Foreign Ministry's note a "faux pas."
-- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

HUNGARY REINFORCES ITS BORDER WITH EAST SLAVONIA. A border guard
spokesman told journalists on 16 August that Hungary has reinforced its
frontier with East Slavonia, the region of Croatia still held by rebel
Serbs, Reuters reports. The spokesman revealed that two companies of
border guards, equipped with some 30 armed personnel carriers, have been
moved to a 66-km border section between the Danube and Drava rivers. The
government stressed that the move was of technical character and that
the Hungarian armed forces were not being mobilized. Also on the 16th, a
Hungarian foreign ministry official expressed concern that Serb refugees
from Croatia are being settled in Serbia's largely Hungarian Vojvodina
province. -- Jiri Pehe, OMRI, Inc.

BOSNIAN UPDATE. International media on 17 August reported much confusion
over the secret peace plan being promoted by U.S. Assistant Secretary of
State Richard Holbrooke in the former Yugoslavia. Bosnian Foreign
Minister Muhamed Sacirbey denied earlier accounts that the Muslims would
have to give up Gorazde under the plan, but Bosnia's ambassador to
Britain nonetheless called the project "legalizing Serbian crimes." The
VOA said that President Bill Clinton wants a major diplomatic
breakthrough lest the conflict spread elsewhere in the Balkans, although
it is not clear just where he thinks that would be and how such a
conflict would arise. Many remain suspicious of the diplomatic
initiatives, and Vecernji list ran the headline: "the spirit of Yalta
[hangs] over Bosnia." Meanwhile on the ground, the Rapid Reaction Force
on Mt. Igman does not inspire much confidence in the UN's own Belgian
and Dutch military drivers, who refuse to use the road under the present
circumstances, AFP reported. -- Patrick Moore, OMRI, Inc.

MAYOR OF SUBOTICA PROTESTS ETHNIC CLEANSING. Nasa Borba on 16 August
reported on an open letter by Mayor Jozsef Kassa to Serbian Prime
Minister Mirko Marjanovic to protest forced changes in the local
demographic structure since 1990. He noted that 2,000 new settlers had
arrived before 1995 and a further 10,000 have come this year. Some
10,000 Hungarians and Croats have left in the meantime and the entire
ethnic map of northern Backa is being changed. Another article in the
same paper said that the new refugees are "occupying the empty homes of
Hungarians." Meanwhile in Montenegro, the head of the People's Party,
Novak Kilibarda, said that the Krajina refugees should be sent to Kosovo
or to Vojvodina. The latter area has a Serbian majority but before the
Serbian authorities launched ethnic cleansing it had strong minorities
of Hungarians, Croats, Slovaks, and other Central Europeans as a result
of Habsburg colonizing policies when the area was part of the Kingdom of
Hungary. -- Patrick Moore, OMRI, Inc.
  
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 (Jerry Ostrowski) wrote:
>	One of the purposes of creating CEFTA has been making the
>Central European economies better prepared for the competitive
>environment of EU when their time for membership comes.  Also, another
>idea was so called 'collective bargaining' in Poland's, Hungary's,
>Czech
>Republic's and Slovakia's persuits for EU membership.
>	Unfortunately the latter one did not work.  Czech government  was
>the first to oppose the collective bargaining idea and has opted for
>individual efforts to join the rich '15' ('12' in 1992).  I don't know
>the reasons for this policy (if someone does, please post it) but
>having read Leszek Kleczkowski's message, it looks to me that some
>officials in the Czech government have a problem with free trade and
>maybe with CEFTA in
>general.


Obviously, the Czechs hope for beeing admited to the EU 'through the
kitchen door'. They probably would not lift a finger to assist Poland
in the process if they weren't forced by the US and the Germany to
join Visehrad group. For Germany, Poland is the strategic ally in the 
region. As Kohl had said in Warsaw, it should not take longer than until 
2000 for Poland to join EU.
I remember Klaus' denigrating comments on Poles presumably invading 
Czech to empty storeshelves in the early 90ties. Actually, it is Poland
that has a surplus in the border trade with the Czechs. 
He also has been criticized Polands transition plan. I wonder what he
has to say about recent growth figures for Poland.
If one disregards the turist boom to the beautiful Prague, Czech economy 
is not doing so well as it may look from the tables.
I understand that average turist from the West spends more currency
than  Polish youngster. But isn't it a hypocrisy and double standards?

regards

Piotr Wnukowski

Budweiser, you must be dreaming!
Did you finish High School?!?


DR. LASZLO   THYC43A @Prodigy.com.

The following information is a contribution from  
        Andrew Vadasz( mailto:),
                  and can be found at :
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       Magyar Radio Shortwave broadcasts in Hungarian (Szulofoldunk)
       Time: One hour program daily, starting at 0:00 UTC for N.America
       East (8 pm EDT) and at 01:30 UTC for N.America West. (Much   
       overlap, as West broadcasts can be heard in the East and 
       vice versa, albeit w. reduced signal strength).
       
       Frequencies: 6000, 9835 and 11910 kHz. Of these in the East 9835
       is usually the best (it changes). 
           
       Reception hints. Summer is usually the best. Frequencies, times,
       change with the Fall equinox (when Europe changes clocks). Fall/
       winter reception has varied from the difficult to the impossible.
       (More about that subject later). Because of the crowded spectrum,
       a digitally tuned receiver is best.
       
       Outside horizontal wire antenna (about 15-20 ft) generally
       recommended. Since the time is not generally convenient for me, I
       usually record the program on tape (one side of a "120 min"
       cassette) and play it back the next day in the car, walking,
       gardening, etc. Uninteresting portions can thus be scanned
       through, sometimes names don't come clearly: thus can be repeated
       
       Would be interested in your questions, experiences. Andy Vadasz,
       E-mail:  
      
       Programs. Mondays through Saturdays, the broadcasts start with: 

       "A nap kronikaja- Hirek, tudositasok". Then "Joestet, itt
       Magyarorszag ! kozelet, gazdasag, kultura." Sundays again "a nap
       kronikaja" then "egyhazi hirado".

   Specific programs from Aug 15 '95 to Aug 31.

Date.

15  Kedd Zold sarok: Koszegi Abel osszeallitasa kornyezetvedoknek. 
16  Szerda  Olvasolampa
17  Csutortok  Postabontas (Patonai Adrienne es Vecsei Antonia).
    Kulturalis oroksegunk: Lechner Odon. Szerk.: Varkonyi Benedek
18  Pentek  Film, szinhazm kiallitas. Veteli tanacsok az Antenna     
    Hungariatol: Ori Andras, PR manager. 
    Meselo tortenelem: Petofi Istvan. Koszegi Abel Musora.
19  Szombat A 100 eves Eotvos kollegium. Papp Gabor Zsigmond musora.
20  Vasarnap Magyar sorsok, eletpalyak a XX szazadban. Koncz Zsuzsa
    felveteleibol.
21  Hetfo Tallozo-Szollos Istvan folyoiratszemleje. Szekely Bertalan es 
    a magyar tortenelmi festeszet. Ranki Julia musora.
22  Kedd Zold Sarok: Koszegi Abel osszeallitasa kornyezetvedoknek.
    Arcok a tegnapbol: Dr. Bolony Jozsef. Szerk.: Varkonyi Benedek
23  Szerda Olvasolampa. 100 eve szuletett Almasy Laszlo Afrika- kutato.
    Koszegi Abel musora.
24  Csutortok Postabontas: Patonai Adrienne es Vecsei Antonia.
25  Pentek  Film, szinhaz, kiallitas. Jogi tanacsok: Dr.Szego Tamas
26  Szombat Mozilegendak nyomaban: Papp Gabor Zsigmond Musora.
27  Vasarnap Magyar sorsok, eletpalyak a XX szazadban: Zsoldos Imre
    felveteleibol.
28  Hetfo  Tallozo: Szollos Istvan folyoiratszemleje.
29  Kedd Zold sarok: Koszegi Abel osszeallitasa kornyezetvedoknek. Magyarok
    a nagyvilagban: Pierre Vago- Varkonyi Benedek musora.
30  Szerda Olvasolampa. Kulturalis oroksegunk: Remenyik Sandor. Szerk:
    Cservenke Judit.
31  Csutortok Postabontas: Patonai Adrienne es Katona Erzsebet.
    Zebegeny festoje: Szonyi Istvan- Papp Gabor Zsigmond musora.

           
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KOZYREV AND LAKE DISCUSS YUGOSLAV SITUATION. No joint statement was
issued after Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev and U.S. National
Security Adviser Anthony Lake met for nearly three hours in Sochi on 13
August to discuss the conflict in the former Yugoslavia, Russian and
Western agencies reported. Lake left without commenting to journalists.
Kozyrev expressed satisfaction that the U.S. was now making "more
active efforts to find a political solution" to the conflict but also
admitted that "differences in accent between the two sides" persist. He
also complained that "lifting or suspending sanctions" against rump
Yugoslavia, a step supported by both President Yeltsin and the Duma, is
not backed by the U.S. Differences in the U.S. and Russian approaches
to the conflict have intensified since Croatia successfully recaptured
Krajina earlier this month, and Lake, who is touring European capitals
in a reported attempt to gain support for a U.S. peace initiative, had
not originally planned to visit Russia. -- Scott Parrish, OMRI, Inc.

SERBS PRESS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF BOSNIA, VOJVODINA. Croats and Muslims
continued over the weekend to be driven out of the Banja Luka area by
Bosnian Serbs and Krajina refugees. According to Reuters on 14 August,
"this is the final touch to a three-year-old barbarity that will make
the name of Banja Luka go down in history as the heart of darkness," UN
refugee agency spokesman Kris Janowski remarked. He said that 1,600
expellees are expected by 16 August. The Roman Catholic Church in the
area has issued a special protest. Croatian and international media
since 11 August have also reported that Croats and other non-Serbs are
being "ethnically cleansed" from Vojvodina, ostensibly to make room for
Krajina refugees. Meanwhile, in Petrinja in the formerly Serb-held
Krajina, Croats are returning to the homes the Serbs chased them from
four years ago. AFP on 14 August quoted one as saying that the Serbs the
whole time "lived among utter rubble" without water, electricity, or
reconstruction. -- Patrick Moore, OMRI, Inc.

IZETBEGOVIC SAYS THAT GORAZDE WILL NOT BE TRADED. Bosnian President
Alija Izetbegovic said in a television interview on 13 August that "we
will not give up Gorazde even if we have to wage war for 15 years."
There has been speculation that the latest U.S. peace plan would require
him to give up the last remaining Muslim enclave in eastern Bosnia. The
entire area had a large Muslim population in places like Visegrad before
the Serbs launched their "ethnic cleansing" campaigns. Izetbegovic added
that the siege of Sarajevo would be lifted by November, and that there
would be some personnel changes in the Bosnian military. -- Patrick
Moore, OMRI, Inc.
  
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One book you might try:

ONE THOUSAND YEARS:  A Concise History of Hungary 

By Corvina Books

edited by Ha'na'k Pe'ter

There is also a wonderful (perhaps out of print in English) series of
small books of writings through Hungarian history - SAECULA HUNGARIAE. 
Perhaps you can find a copy ...

I'm looking for information regarding the meaning and root of my
Hungarian family name:   Soter

Most books I've read refer only to the Greek Soters.

Thanks!

Joe Soter

On 13 Aug 1995, Jerry Ostrowski wrote:

   [...]

> environment of EU when their time for membership comes.  Also, another
> idea was so called 'collective bargaining' in Poland's, Hungary's,
> Czech
> Republic's and Slovakia's persuits for EU membership.
> 	Unfortunately the latter one did not work.  Czech government  was
> the first to oppose the collective bargaining idea and has opted for
> individual efforts to join the rich '15' ('12' in 1992).  I don't know
> the reasons for this policy (if someone does, please post it) but
> having read Leszek Kleczkowski's message, it looks to me that some
> officials in the Czech government have a problem with free trade and
> maybe with CEFTA in general.

  IMHO, the Czechs are very proud of the results of their economic 
reform, and their general opinion is that the Czech Republic's economy is 
doing considerably better than economies of other countries under 
consideration. This was one of the reasons why they didn't have much 
problems with accepting the split of Czechoslovakia; their economic 
indicators look much better now. They feel that as a member of a close 
Visegrad bloc other countries would actually slow them down on their way 
to the EU.

Peter Hakel

 (Matt Kovacs) wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a recent, brief, concise, and accurate history of
>the Magyar people ? Thanks.
>                            Matt Kovacs

do you read Hungarian? Try the MAGYAROK EUROPABAN series or ujst watch 
Hungary; a Video History (the first three are out) (to order phone 716 
586-1241.
Peter I. Hidas, Montreal

Chris. Gauvrit ) wrote:
: Last month I went to Budapest for professional reasons and I spent there 5
: fantastic days !
: I came back with the following questions.
: (1) From a novel (I'm 15 and I don't want to die, Christine Arnothy) I had
: understood that before 1945 there was a bridge between the Lanc hid and
: the Margit hid. Is it true or did I misread ?
: (2) I was surprised to find only german beer in bars. Beside the great
: wine tradition, is there no beer tradition in Hungary ?
: Christian GAUVRIT
: Dijon, France
 When I lived there (many years ago) there was a local brew, my favourite.
 They found out that it was no economical to make it ? Hell, I don't know.
 The Austrian beer they sell all over is not that good anyways.

Joseph Soter ) wrote:
: I'm looking for information regarding the meaning and root of my
: Hungarian family name:   Soter

: Most books I've read refer only to the Greek Soters.

Are you sure that it wasn't So"te'r or something else originally?
Soter sounds un-Hungarian to me.

In article > ibokor, 
writes:
: >For your information, Zurich is in the see of Chur, although there
: >are moves afoot to establich a see of Zurich as well.
: 
: I am not going to deal with the grammar of this sentence because
: of my poor command  of English but as far as i know the Zurich-See
: has nothing to do with Chur. 

>In English, the noun "see" is either a "corruption" as in "let's
>have a look-see"

I haven't found 'corruption' under the noun 'see' in my Shorter
Oxford, which  does not mean that it could not be used so in
one of the Australian dialects. I indeed found the look-see verb.
I figured out that you meant 'diocese' under 'see'. I think Jeliko
was who used it once in one historical thread which forced me
then to look it up.
I had difficulty with the "although there are moves afoot
to establich" part. I understood correctly that Zurich wants
to ground a new dioclese for herself, only after i had written
my answer. You know, I regarded "there are moves afoot" as typo.

>"Der Zuerichsee" is "LAKE Zurich" in English.

If I translate "LAKE Zurich" to High German I get Zurchersee,
which makes me wonder whether the original English trans-
lation was good enough for an irregular name... Similarly, I
translate any Hungarian 'tó' to lake or See, no problem, but i
would never say Plattensee to Balaton. 

Tamas

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FSB ON TURKISH INVOLVEMENT IN CHECHNYA. Russian Federal Security Service
(FSB) spokesman Alexander Mikhailov claimed that Turks are responsible
for Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudaev's communications systems and
Russian demands for an explanation from Ankara have so far received only
"very vague" answers, Rabochaya tribuna reported on 11 August. Mikhailov
pointed to the arrest in the spring of Turkish national Isak Kasap as
evidence of Turkey's involvement in rendering aid to Dudaev. Mikhailov
also said that FSB representatives traveled to Turkey to discuss this
matter and were told that the country is not aiding Dudaev, but that
Turkish officials "cannot stop" the Chechen diaspora from helping their
"native country" and that they cannot control transfers of money from
Turkey "via American banks." He also said armed units from Afghanistan
and Jordan are fighting on Dudaev's side. Turkish North Caucasians of
Circassian and Abkhaz descent are numerous and largely assimilated;
Turkey's Chechen community is tiny, numbering at most 40,000 people but
probably closer to 3,000. (CORRECTION: Isak Kasap was arrested on 23
April 1995, not in late May as reported in OMRI Daily Digest, 14 August
1995.) -- Lowell Bezanis, OMRI, Inc.

BELARUS GETTING HELP IN MEETING ITS ARMS COMMITMENTS. A source in the
Belarusian Foreign Ministry told Interfax on 14 August that the
republic's search for ways to cut costs while meeting its arms control
commitments was having some success. The source listed an agreement with
the United States in which the U.S. would pay hard currency compensation
for some of the cost of hosting arms inspection teams, and a pledge by
Japan to provide $5.2 million to curb nuclear proliferation. The source
also said that Belarus had received the right to export 298 T-80 tanks
rather then be forced to destroy them to meet the Conventional Forces in
Europe (CFE) ceilings. It can also keep some 500 decommissioned military
vehicles for domestic use. -- Doug Clarke, OMRI, Inc.

INTERNATIONAL MILITARY EXERCISE TO BE HELD IN SLOVAKIA. The first
international military exercise held in Slovakia since it gained
independence in January 1993 will take place from 6 to 14 September
within the Partnership for Peace program. Soldiers from the Austrian,
Czech, Polish, Ukrainian, Hungarian, Romanian and Slovak armies will
take part in the "Rozhodnost 95" exercise, to be held in the military
training area of Lest, Slovak media report on 14 and 15 August. The main
aim of the exercise is to improve understanding among Slovakia's closest
neighbors. -- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

SLOVAK COMMUNIST REFUSES BLAME FOR 1968 INVASION. In a two-part
interview with Pravda on 12 and 14 August, former high-ranking Communist
Party official Vasil Bilak said he did not sign the "invitation letter"
asking the Warsaw Pact armies to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968. Russian
President Boris Yeltsin presented the letter to then Czechoslovak
President Vaclav Havel in summer 1992, and Bilak is the only alleged
signatory who is still alive. His name has been mentioned in connection
with treason charges recently brought up again in the Czech Republic,
but he remains free in Slovakia. Bilak confirmed that at a meeting of
six Warsaw Pact member states on 3 August 1968, "a long white envelope"
was handed over to the Soviet delegation which contained a resolution
stating that "not only the building but also the protection of socialism
is a joint task for all socialist countries." Bilak said he did not
consider the resolution an invitation and stressed that Czechoslovakia
would have been invaded in any case. -- Sharon Fisher, OMRI, Inc.

SERBIA REOPENS BORDERS TO KRAJINA SERBS. Another reason that the Bosnian
Serbs' excuse for the expulsions rings hollow is that most of the
Krajina Serbs want to get out of Bosnia and as far away from the
fighting as possible. Many plan new futures in North America or
Australia, Monitor reported on 11 August, but the first stop would be
Serbia. Belgrade, however, had closed the crossings at Sremska Raca,
Badovinci, and Trobrnica to military-aged males in order to force them
to return to Bosnian Serb territory and fight. Nasa Borba reported on 15
August that those crossings have been reopened, and AFP noted that
130,000 Krajina Serbs have entered Serbia to date. -- Patrick Moore,
OMRI, Inc.
  
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Compiled by Steve Kettle

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In article >,
Steve Schlesinger > wrote:
> I have been trying, without success, to find where Boroslov and Dubetsk
> (the native towns of my great-grandparents) are located in what was
> once part of Austria.

I suspect that Boroslov is what Hungarians used to call "Boroszlo" and
the Germans "Breslau".  It's now called Wroclaw and is in the Silesian
region of Poland.  Dubetsk may be around Wroclaw, I suspect.

Joe Pannon

T. Kocsis ) wrote:
: In article > ibokor, 
: writes:
: >I didn't keep copies of everything until very recently, and even now
: >I've discarded most things again, but my very first posting of mine
: >was in response to your comments on someone's poor Hungarian.
: >Your comments (in English) were arrogant and patronising, to put
: >it kindly. I responded to that by pointing out that your English
: >is (understandably) deficient and that it is to your credit
: >that persist anyway.
: 
: Omigod...
: 
: That was a xposted letter from s.c.r  in which a Romanian, i don't
: remember who, was kidding with O2 (Gyorgy). I found that ditty
: funny because i knew it and used it as kid. I simply corrected the
: grammar mistakes and asked the guy for a similiar Romanian one.
: I even did not xposted the letter back to s.c.romanian. (turned out
: he does not read s.c.magyar because i did get no Romanian ditty)
: 
: You say i was "arrogant and patronising". What exactly happened
: was that i sided with a Romanian in a rude Hun.-Rom. discussion
: because he at least showed some sense of humour.

If I misunderstood your intent I apologise unreservedly.
: 
: >For your information, Zurich is in the see of Chur, although there
: >are moves afoot to establich a see of Zurich as well.
: 
: I am not going to deal with the grammar of this sentence because
: of my poor command  of English but as far as i know the Zurich-See
: has nothing to do with Chur. 

In English, the noun "see" is either a "corruption" as in "let's
have a look-see" or it refers to an ecclesiastic region, one
whose head is a bishop. I believe that Zurich is in the See of
Chur. "Der Zuerichsee" is "LAKE Zurich" in English.
"Die See" is "the sea", as in an ocean. There is both a See of
Chur and a See of Basle, but, as far as I know, there is
is neither a Lake Basle or a Lake Chur.

: At least it did not yesterday evening
: yet when we had flown over it before we landed at Kloten in nice,
: clear weather.
:

d.A.

Hungary NB I 1995/96

Thanks to Endre Zsoldos.

Round 1

1995.08.04      UTE - Stadler FC                1-1 (0-0)
     08.05      Bekescsaba - Csepel             2-2 (2-1)
                Debrecen - FTC                  2-1 (1-0)
                Pecs - BVSC                     0-2 (0-1)
                Vasas - Parmalat                2-0 (2-0)
                MTK - Zalaegerszeg              3-0 (2-0)
                Haladas - Vac                   2-5 (2-3)
     08.07      Kispest-Honved - Gyor           0-0

Round 2

1995.08.11      Zalaegerszeg - Debrecen         2-3 (1-0)
                G: Preisinger (2); Arany (2), Balogh (o.g.)
     08.12      BVSC - MTK                      0-2 (0-1)
                G: Hamar, Csertoi
                Stadler FC - Bekescsaba         3-1 (2-0)
                G: Z. Csehi, Nichenko, Dragoner; Szarvas (pen.)
                Parmalat - Pecs                 3-1 (2-0)
                G: Dveri, Feher (o.g.), Horvath;
                        Dardai (pen)
                Csepel - Kispest-Honved         2-1 (1-1)
                G: Baranyi (2); Warzycha
                Gyor - Haladas                  3-0 (1-0)
                G: Hamori, Azoitei, Peto
     08.13      Vac - Vasas                      -
     08.14      FTC - UTE                        -


 1. MTK                 2 2 - -  5-0  6
 2. Debrecen            2 2 - -  5-3  6
 3. Gyor                2 1 1 -  3-0  4
 4. Stadler FC          2 1 1 -  4-2  4
 5. Csepel              2 1 1 -  4-3  4
 6. Vac                 1 1 - -  5-2  3
 7. Vasas               1 1 - -  2-0  3
 8. Parmalat            2 1 - 1  3-3  3
 9. BVSC                2 1 - 2  2-2  3
10. UTE                 1 - 1 -  1-1  1
11. Kispest-Honved      2 - 1 1  1-2  1
12. Bekescsaba          2 - 1 1  3-5  1
13. Ferencvaros         1 - - 1  1-2  -
14. Zalaegerszeg        2 - - 2  2-6  -
15. Pecs                2 - - 2  1-5  -
16. Haladas             2 - - 2  2-8  -

Szia,
Karel
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
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"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  
]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder 
]

 (Radovan Cerny) wrote:
>In article >  (Ross Hedvi
cek) writes:
>>Xref: news.unige.ch soc.culture.polish:32097 soc.culture.slovenia:2390>
>>In article >  (Leszek Andrze
j
>>Kleczkowski) writes:>
>>>I wonder how beneficial to the CEFTA ideals will be the decision of the 
>>>Czech Republic to impose daily allowance on Polish turists.  Heard that 
>>>Polish authorities contemplate (and justly so) similar sanctions against the
 
>>>Czechs.  Does anybody know the true rationale behind the Czech 
>>>authorities decision??
>
>>True rationale seems to be:
>
>>1) eliminate influx of insolvent people from the East, Far East and Middle 
>>East.


True

>
>>2) Rip off people from the West a little more by ordering them to exchange 
>>Western currency right on the border (I am pretty sure at a exchange rate not
 
>>tooooo gooood for tourist).
>

Wrong, I believe that you do not have to exchange the money - you simply have t
o have them.

BTW: Does anyone know, if they take credit cards as proof? How do they check th
e available credit?:

>>The same trick was used for years during communist rule. Remember? 
>>They'rrreeee baaaaaaaaacck!
>
>>Rosta        
>>----------------------------------
>>"I ain't gonna be, I ain't gonna be no fool no more."
>>                           John Lee Hooker - Wasted Years
>>                    
>
>
>The same trick is used by several West-European countries (I mean daily 
>allowance). 
>They'rrreeeee baaaaaaaaaaacck everywheeeeeeeeeeerrrreeeeeeee!
>
>
>
>  Radovan Cerny
>

Some people think, that communists had some patent on stupid beaurocraticy. Wro
ng, in the developed Western 
countries ("capitalistic" one) beaurocraticy is at least as good, if not better
 - and is growing, and growing, and 
growing...

BTW, can anyone suggest another, working (and OK with respect to Human rights) 
solution how to stop the influx of 
emmigrants through the Czech republic to Germany (often and usually returned fr
om Germany and then stuck in the 
Czech republic)? I am listening...

(And for the stupid ones here, I do not agree with imposing this money requirem
ent (it's stupid and I remeber the 
pain it was when we needed to fulfill it), but I understand the reasons - that 
is not the same....)

Jan

PS- Radkovi: Ahoj Radku, jak se mas?

Hungary 1995/96

Thanks to Endre Zsoldos.

The two missing matches were:


     08.13      Vác - Vasas                      3-2 (1-0)
                G: Borgulya (2), Zvara; Simon, Herczegh
     08.14      FTC - UTE                       2-0 (0-0)
                G: Nyilas (pen.), Kuntic


The league table now looks as follows:

 1. MTK                 2 2 - -  5-0  6
 2. Vac                 2 2 - -  8-4  6
 3. Debrecen            2 2 - -  5-3  6
 4. Gyor                2 1 1 -  3-0  4
 5. Stadler FC          2 1 1 -  4-2  4
 6. Csepel              2 1 1 -  4-3  4
 7. Vasas               2 1 - 1  4-3  3
 8. Ferencvaros         2 1 - 1  3-2  3
 9. Parmalat            2 1 - 1  3-3  3
10. BVSC                2 1 - 1  2-2  3
11. Kispest-Honved      2 - 1 1  1-2  1
12. Bekescsaba          2 - 1 1  3-5  1
13. UTE                 2 - 1 1  1-3  1
14. Zalaegerszeg        2 - - 2  2-6  -
15. Pecs                2 - - 2  1-5  -
16. Haladas             2 - - 2  2-8  -

Szia,
Karel
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"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  
]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder 
]

In article >,  () says:
>
>Chris. Gauvrit ) wrote:
>: [snip].. I was surprised to find only german beer in bars. Beside the 
>  great wine tradition, is there no beer tradition in Hungary ?
>: 
> When I lived there (many years ago) there was a local brew, my favourite.
> They found out that it was no economical to make it ? Hell, I don't know.
> The Austrian beer they sell all over is not that good anyways.

Hello!


Re: Beer.

Excuse me butting in, but, yes, Hungarian beer is on the whole a bit
disappointing (by German standards, though perhaps not by most other
standards.) 

I would appreciate any leads on which Magyar beers might be 
worth looking out for when I revisit Hungary next year.


George Szaszvari

The following information is a contribution from  
        Andrew Vadasz( mailto:),
                  and can be found at :
 ( http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/Entertainment/Radio/Shortwave/ )

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Radio Budapest English Language Service Aug/15/95-Aug/31/95 .      
Two daily half-hour shortwave programs. 
They are beamed to N. America starting at 01.00 and 02.30 (UTC), 
(9:00 pm and 10:30 pm EDT respectively)
Frequencies: 6000 (6010), 9835, 11910 kHz. 
There is also a satellite  channel (via Galaxy 5) 
but timing, carrier info. lacking.
         
Reception hints. Summer is usually the best. Frequencies, times,
change with the Fall equinox (when Europe changes clocks). Fall/
winter reception has varied from the difficult to the impossible.
(More about that subject later). Because of the crowded spectrum,
a digitally tuned receiver is best.

Outside horizontal wire antenna (about 15-20 ft) generally
recommended. Since the time is not generally convenient for me, I
usually record the program on tape (one side of a "120 min"
cassette) and play it back the next day in the car, walking,
gardening, etc. Uninteresting portions can thus be scanned
through, sometimes names don't come clearly: thus can be repeated

Would be interested in your questions, experiences. Andy Vadasz,
E-mail:  
            
      I. Program (first half hour). 
         Monday- Saturday: NEWS, COMMENTARY.
         Then 
         Aug  15: Irish conductor in Szombathely; Aug 16: DX show
         Aug  17: Focus on business; Peter Leko, chess champion; 
         Aug  18: Bartok's etter to Stefi; Aug. 19: Nightmare Scenario; 
         Aug  21: Kata chooses Folk; Aug. 22: Bartok and the Stage; 
         Aug  23: DX show
         Aug  24: Focus on Business; Eurosoccer; 
         Aug  25: celebrating Haydn with  Ustinov; 
         Aug  26: Big City Mayor; 
         Aug  28: report from Beijing; 
         Aug  29: Jazz academy; 
         Aug  30: DX show; 
         Aug  31: Focus on business; music requests.   
         
      II. (Second half hour). 
         Every day starts with NEWS. 
         Then: 
         Mondays -TODAY and MUSIC REQUESTS. 
         Aug  15: TODAY then "Helping hands": Nightmare scenario. 
         Aug  16: Focus on Business; "Controversy and Consensus: Drama and Drea
ms. 
         Aug  17: TODAY; Peter and Pop.
         Aug  18: TODAY and Talking Blues. 
         Aug  19: Gatepost; The Music Makers: Irish conductor in Szombathely. 
         Aug  20: News; DX show; Through Womens' Eyes. 
         Aug  21: TODAY and Music requests. 
         Aug  22: TODAY; Helping hands: Big City Mayor. 
         Aug  23: Focus on Business; Controversy and Consensus: A National Curr
iculum.
         Aug  24: TODAY; Kata chooses folk. 
         Aug  25: TODAY; Talking Blues.
         Aug  26: Gatepost; The Music Makers: Bartok and the Stage.
         Aug  27: DX Show; Through Womens' eyes. 
         Aug  28: TODAY; Music Requests. 
         Aug  29: TODAY; Helping hands: Charity as Solidarity.
         Aug  30: Focus on business; Controversy and Consensus (no details give
n). 
         Aug  31: TODAY; Peter and Pop.

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