Tajthy Tamas irja:

>>Szoval valoban nem fogalmaztam pontosan, de azt hiszem jol lathato a lenyeg.
>>FELTORTEK a dolgot, megpedig egy DNS szamitogeppel. Szoljatok, ha nem jol
>>ertettem a cikket.

Nem, nem es nem. Az RSA-t nem tortek fel a DNS szamitogeppel, es ezugyben
vilagosan kell latni, mert ha az RSA feltorodik, akkor annak belathatalan 
kovetkezmenyei lennenek elterjedtsege miatt. Te is ideztel, ezert most hadd
idezzem en is az eredeti Wired cikket, amibol Bodoky Tamas irta Genzseni
cimu cikket (az eredeti cikk cime Gene Genie, es a Wired 3.08-ban talalhato):

**The catchiest presentation at the conference came from Lipton and two of his 
**graduate students, Dan Boneh and Christopher Dunworth. They have designed 
**a DNA computer they believe is capable of cracking the federal Data Encryptio
n
**Standard (DES). This cryptographic algorithm is used to encode government 
**information and other national secrets. Using a genetic attack, the Princeton
 
**researchers have discovered a method of decrypting the DES in three months. 

Tehat: 
- DES-t tortek es nem RSA-t (a DES valoszinuleg sokkal gagyibb)
- Adleman nem vett reszt a toresben
- valojaban nem is tortek fel, csak kitalaltak egy modszert, amirol
  azt hiszik, hogy harom honap alatt feltori

Kossuth Lajos bicskaja.

Masreszrol tenyleg igaz, hogy Adleman reszt vett egy rovid RSA kulccsal
kodolt uzenet (nem az algoritmus!!!) feltoreseben, de annak semmi koze sem volt
a DNS szamitogepekhez, nagyon is valosagos fembol es sziliciumbol keszult
gepek kinlodtak hosszu honapokig, mig vegre megtalaltak, ezzel is megerositve 
azt, hogy a jelenleg hasznalt kulcsok feltoresetol egyelore nem kell tartani.

Udv,

Imre

Kedves Guruk!
Tud-e valaki segiteni hogy a MacOS magyar valtozata hol szerezheto be akar Mo-o
n 
illetve USA-ban? Tudom hogy letezik a System 7.1 magyar valtozata csak nem 
tudom beszerezni. Ezenkivul erdekelne hogy magyar macintosh "font"-ok 
letolthetok-e valahonnan az internetrol?
Segitsegeteket koszonom!
Valaszt a  cimre kerek.
Laszlo Szeleczki

Kedves Guruk,

Bar mar honapok ota nem jar ez az ujsag, (nincs ra idom) nem tehetem meg, 
hogy ettol a csemegetol megfosszalak benneteket.

Udvozlettel,  (kis virgaccsal, sok cukorkaval,)
Martha

Martha S. Bihari 
e-mail: 

---------- Forwarded message ----------

The following excerpts are from an English translation of Umberto
Eco's back-page column, "La bustina di Minerva," in the Italian news
weekly "Espresso," September 30, 1994.

..."Insufficient consideration has been given to the new underground
religious war which is modifying the modern world. It's an old idea of
mine, bit I find that whenever I tell people about it they immediately
agree with me.

        "The fact is that the world is divided between users of the
Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly
of the opinion that the Macintosh  is Catholic and that DOS is
Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counter-reformist and has been
influenced by the 'ratio studiorum' of the Jesuits. It is cheerful,
friendly, conciliatory, it tells the faithful how they must proceed step
by step to  reach--if not the Kingdom of Heaven--the moment in which
their document is printed. It is catechistic: the essence of revelation
is dealt with via simple formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a
right to salvation.

        "DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free
interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions,
imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted the
idea that not all can  reach salvation. To make the system work you
need to interpret the program yourself: a long way from the baroque
community of revelers, the user is closed within the loneliness of his
own inner torment.

        "You may object that, with the passage to Windows, the DOS
universe has come to resemble more closely the counter-reformist
tolerance of the Macintosh. It's true: Windows represents an
Anglican--style schism, big ceremonies in the cathedral, but there is
always the possibility of a return to DOS to change things in accordance
with bizarre decisions; when it comes down to it, you can decide to allow
women and gays to be ministers if you want to.

        "And machine code, which lies beneath both systems (or
environments, if you prefer)? Ah, that is to do with the Old Testament,
and is talmudic and cabalistic..."

_______________________________________________________________________________
_
_______________________________________________________________________________
_
_____________________________________________

  A friend to whom I forwarded the Eco fragment responded instantly
that ALL computer users are Catholic, because although the
numinous is omnipresent (the Internet is everywhere) contact with it must
be mediated through a priesthood of the select who speak the sacred
language. Individuals can send out supplications from the privacy of
their own homes, but even these must be forwarded through central nodes
controlled by the priesthood. He adds that a Macintosh is not so much a
different sect as a variant service, like those churches in California
where the priest insists you call him Bob; user friendliness is simply a
tool of proselytization.

>Szekely Tamas <Hungary - Debrecen>
 >Temakor: BIOS torles, ujra felteszem a kerdest ( 10 sor )



A  CMOS memoria torlesehez, lehetoleg le kell kapcsolni az elemet es vagy az 
IC labait, vagy a vele parhuzamosan kotott kondit rovidre zarni. Az elemet 
hiaba zarod rovidre, (faj is neki) a kapcsolo dioda miatt a memory IC (RAM) 
nem is erzi meg.
A BIOS-t (ma meg tobbnyire EPROM vagy ROM) szerencsere nem lehet igy 
kitorolni, nagyon hianyozna kesobb. 
Andras

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Subject: Re: Bios password 
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In article >,   (Mester Jozsef) wri
tes:

> Ami biosoknal a pwd AMI (ki gondolta volna).

award biosnal: AWARD_SW (egy csoporttarsam kutatta ki, aztan lebunkoztak a
newsgroup-ot, ahova beirta...

egyebkent van egy amibios.* progi, amelyik a (nem akarok mas otletet adni...)
szenilis gepeknek segit a setup kitoltesben...

> Ha erre sem reagalna akkor en is tudom ajanlani a nihil altal javasolt modsze
rt
>  .
> Van e valakinek:
> 1- DOS ala kulon tif formatumu kepek nezegetesere valami prg?
> 2- Tudja e valaki hogy hogyan lehet PC-hez kapcsolni penztargepet.
>    Ugy , hogy mar van keszletnyilvantarto program amitol a tulajdonos (joapam
)
>  nem akarna megvalni viszont az uj torvenyek miatt penztargephez kellen kapcs
ol
> nia . Tehat egy mar kesz programba kellene a dolgot beepiteni az uj funkciot.
> Az uj funkcio magaban nem gond. Csak a gep vezerlese a problema .
> Ha valakinek megvan feltetlenul szoljon (nem tudom szamit e valamit samsung g
ep
> rol van szo), akarmilyen kis informacioja van.
> Elore is kosz.
>  Mester Jozsef.
> 


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