Kevin Hannan > wrote:
>Records
>from the period of Great Moravia (9th c.) demonstrate that the
>tribal organization of the Czechs was distinct from that of the
>Moravians of Moravia and Slovakia (during this period the
>populations inhabiting modern Moravia and Slovakia were united
>politically). 


Actually,, "Great" Moravia, once assumed to be Moravia north of the
Danube and Vienna,  has now been identified instead with the Burg of
Morava located either on the Sava River (ancient Sirmium, present-day
Sremska Mitrovica)  or on the Mures River (urbs Morisena, later called
Maroswar, but known today as Cenad in Romanian)

Liviu Iordache

I need to write HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU  in the Magyar langauge.
 Would somebody help, please.
Thanks.

Vikram

On 16 Dec 1995, ImreS wrote:

> The hatred you referred to in your mean spirited comment exists only in
> your small mind. ....
> totalitarian state and not a free country as Hungary? 

Whoaw, look what a delusional bovine came out from under the net rocks !
So, Romania is a totalitarian state with a coalition government, while
DIG THIS MIRACLE, Hunagry where the COMMUNISTS won the last elections,
and are now governing is a 'free country' ! That a boy ! I wander if 
we saw a more twisted mind around here lately ?

> I think it is because the current leaders deliberately fuel the national 
> hatred and "Mare Romania" idea. Shades of national dream of grandeour. A 
> fellow named Hitler and some others like him such as Antonescu did the same 
> thing about a half a century ago. They failed. 
> Imre Szell

Now you are on to something, but gosh you so conveniently gloss over your
very own Mr. Horty.

I think that there are about as many, if not more in Hungary as in Romania, 
stirring up nationalist resentment.

m. cristian

 wrote:


>If someone could tell me how to say (or write, actually) "Happy New
>Year" and any other winter season's greetings in Hungarian, I'd
>appreciate it.  If you could explain where the diacritical marks go,
>that would be nice,too.  If you can tell me,  you may be assisting me
>in getting a love affair going!

>It would be nice to know how to say:  Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays,
>or even Happy Winter Solstice.

>Thanks...

>from someone in love with a Hungarian who lives in California


Happy New Year	Boldog Ujévet!

Merry Christmas		Boldog Karácsonyt!		

Happy Holidays 		Kellemes Karácsonyi Ünnepeket és Boldog Újévet
			Kívánok!

Happy Winter Solstice	You do not say that at all in Hungary.


Marika

Alexander N. Bossy > wrote:
> 
>First of all, Marshall Antonescu was a military dictator.  He wasn't Iron
>Guard, so comparing him to Hitler isn't really accurate.  Second of all,
>the fellow Central European dictator he was most like was Admiral Horthy.  
>Any reason why you didn't add his name to your list?  After all,
>Hungarians, too, have had their share of ethnic chauvenists. :-( 

Without trying to second-guess Imre, may I suggest an obvious reason?
Horthy was not viewed as equivalent of Antonescu (or Tiso, for that
matter) by the victorious great powers.  Compared to their views, the
opinion of Romanians (or Slovaks) having grudge against Horthy for the
Vienna decisions, hardly matters in the larger scheme of things.

Joe

Kevin Hannan > wrote:

>>Actually,, "Great" Moravia, once assumed to be Moravia north of the
>>Danube and Vienna,  has now been identified instead with the Burg of
>>Morava located either on the Sava River (ancient Sirmium, present-day
>>Sremska Mitrovica)  or on the Mures River (urbs Morisena, later called
>>Maroswar, but known today as Cenad in Romanian)

>If you are referring to Boba's theory, it has already been discredited
>through linguistic and archeological evidence. See the paper
>by Henryk Birnbaum on Great Moravia, which was read several
>years ago at the Slavists' conference in Bratislava and is published
>in the volume containing the proceedings and papers from that
>meeting.  

I'm familiar with two papers published by Birnbaum in 1993
(Byzantinoslavica, 54, 336-338, and American Contributions to the 11th
International Congress of Slavists, 1-22) I dare to say that, in my
opinion,  none of them made much of an impact. Archaeology never
yielded convincing evidence supporting the northern Moravia
hypothesis, and the "Bohemian"  orientation in the interpretation of
Church-Slavonic texts is based *on the assumption* of a Moravia of
Methodius north of the Danube, and, therefore, methodologically
inadmissible..  

>Few scholars today doubt that the political and religious 
>center of Great Moravia was found near the present border of Moravia,
>Slovakia, and Austria.

I beg to differ. Dictionary of the Middle Ages, published in 1989 by
the American Council of Learned Societies, subscribes to Boba' s
thesis. Just to prove that Boba's theory was not discredited but
rather accepted, I mention the two most recent works on this issue:

Bowlus, C.R., 1995, Franks, Moravians, and Magyars: The struggle for
the middle Danube, 788-907. University of Pennsylvania Press,
Philadelphia, 420.

Eggers, M., 1995, Das "Grossmahrische Reich:" Realitat oder Fiktion?
Eine Neuinterpretation der Quellen zur Geschichte des mittleren
Donauraumes im 9. Jhdt. A. Hiersemann, Stuttgart, 525p.


Liviu Iordache

CHARLES VAMOSSY >, says:
:Perhaps M. Christian has not had a chance to read the lastest (12/16/95)
:issue of The Economist.  In an article entitled "Are They
:House-trained?"  it states:

Indeed not, but will attempt do so !

:"In Slovakia and Romania. the old anti-democratic bully is emerging in
:democratically elected leaders: Vladimir Meciar and Ion Iliescu are both
:roughnecks for whom opposition and minority rights are dirty words.

Well, even Clinton is getting bad press often enough. It does not mean
however that you can judge the USA by the coverage the president is getting.
More representative would be, to judge things by the party that is in power.
In Hungary's case the good ol' communist party, smiling through a shiny,
brand new makeup.  The Romanian equivalent would be as if Mr. Vadim and
Mr. Verdet's party came to power, which for now thank God it has not.

Thus I was suggesting, in terms that were perhaps rambunctious, that the
kettle should not call the pot black !

:The article, a couple of paragraphs down continues:
:"Several top operators from the communist world, such as -- within the
:old Soviet Union -- Georgia's Edward Shevardnadze and Lithuania's
:Algirdas Brazukas have undergone sincere changes of heart.  The same goes
:for Hungary's Gyula Horn and probably Ukraine's Leonid Kuchma, now a
:strong economic reformer."

In this posture of his deepest sagacity, the author endeavors to look in
the souls of these East European leaders to ascertain which is reformed,
and which is not.
This would be acceptable, if it was being done by some Gypsy fortune
teller in a Transylvanian market, and they would be likely to reflect
the same degree of accuracy in their postulation.

:I wonder if M. Christian would add the reporters and editors of this
:London based, well respected news magazine to his list of "delusional
:bovines".  Perhaps he may find it a bit more productive to look in his
:own back yard.
:Charles Vamossy

I should perhaps add the editors to my list of 'plain bovines'; If a
major East European publication would query the issue of the Queen of
England being 'housebroken'... it would no doubt be deemed at least
a tasteless headline in Britain !

m. cristian