Csiga Posta writes:
>
> Jen of Potluck fame--

Steve Kovacs writes:

Sorry for the previous truncated post but with this reposting you also get a
tip on sending messages to the listserver. Don't start a line with a period
because it will be your last line. It's either that or the censor is at work
keeping the Hungary list free from frivolous potluck advertising ;-).
>
> Csiga Posta writes:
> >
> > Jen of Potluck fame--
> .
> .
> .
> > --Marc Nasdor, Potluck Attendee
>
> Since people are reminiscing of potlucks past, it is a perfect lead in to
> announce that the Oregon MBK will have their annual summer picnic this Sunday
,
> August 7.
>
> This is a potluck so please bring something fincsi for you and a friend. The
> picnic will be held at Eagle Fern Park just outside of Portland in Clackamas
> county. The park has facilities for horseshoes, a well-equipped playground fo
r
> children, volleyball and baseball. You can even fish in Eagle Creek.
>                                                                         ,  ,
> If you would like further details or instructions on how to get to Sas Pafran
y
> Park, feel free to email me or contact Janos Andrusko at (503) 636-7665.
>                           , ,
> A Sas-patak menti viszontlatasig!
>
> Steve Kovacs -        He who laughs last thinks slowest!
>                                                                         Anon
>

The Magyar Barati Kozosseg and the Itt Ott Group will have their annual
Magyar Het at Lake Hope OH between 20 Aug and 27 Aug. The weeklong program
at one of beautiful Ohio's state parks is an always interesting and
generally politically neutral program. There are social, historical and
etertainment actions during the week. Visitors from overseas from Pozsony
(Ghymes zenekar) from Kolozsvar (Daniella Ludvig, Gyongyi Ludvig and
Annamaria Szigeti), etc. The youth program will be re the 1848 Revolution.
Films of Sandor Sara etc., etc.
Contact for the event is
Istvan Hargitai
27643 Laurel Ln
Olmstead OH 44070
Phone: 216-779-7791.
All sorts of lodging is available at the site.
Lake Hope is between Athens and McArthur OH in the Zalesky state forrest.
The Itt Ott is organized every year about that time.
For those of the liberal persuasion, please remember that southern Ohio is
in the foothills of the Appalachians and it needs your tourist dollars.
Wild turkeys, deer, (lately bears) abound in the area, wolverines from
Michigan need visa, others need only reservations, off the diet condition
and good singing voice. Even halpaprikas is served from konder or bogracs.
For childrens program contact Erika Bokor 708-439-6989.
Nearest airport Columus OH, nearest Greyhound Athens OH. By car it is off
US 50.

Jeliko.

Dear listmembers,

The following, forwarded to mideur and slovak lists, also seems relevant
to our concerns.

Hugh Agnew

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Passing on the following:


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Joanne Lemay writes:
> From @AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT: Wed Aug  3 04:42:01 1994

> Date:         Wed, 03 Aug 94 10:14:03 +0200
> From: Joanne Lemay >
> Subject:      Legal drafting in Central and Eastern Europe

>
> I am a Canadian lawyer writing a M.A thesis on the comparative legal
> framework of Hungary, Poland, the Czech and Slovak Republics concerning
> refugees and irregular migrants. I am presently in Budapest.    I have no
+ infor
> mation on people who participate directly in the drafting.  Just this:
> the UNHCR has been involved in helping to draft or simply to comment
> the laws on refugees.  Its free advice is sought for, but it is not
+ necessarely
> applied by the governments.  For example, the Czech Republic proposed a draft
+ l
> aw on refugees last september.  UNHCR had proposed its comments on the Bill t
o
> Parliament, but the bill was adopted with almost no modification.  Different
> priorities.
> I beleive that the drafting of the new Aliens Law that entered into force las
t
> May in Hungary was done without without the assistance of consultants.  On th
e
> other side, I do not think it was needed because the Council of Europe (among
>  others) has been very active in the field of migration.  Legal experts from
+ th
> e governemnts of all member states meet regularly to discuss this issue.
> The cooperation between Western Europe and Central Europe is very strong.
>
> However, in Eastern Europe, the legislation in this field is lacking or
+ practic
> ally non-existent.
>
> I am aslo very interesting in advising Eastern Europe or Republics of the
> former USSR about the drafting of their refugee and aliens laws.
>
> Are there possibilities to participate in your project?
>
> If you need more detailed information, I will be happy to look it up.
>
> Joanne Lemay
> BIGIS
> Budapest University of Economic Sciences
> Kinizsi u. 1-7
> Budapest IX
> Hungary
>
>
> Fax/tel: (0 36 1) 217-6088
>
> e-mail: 
>


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Andras Kornai chastises me for neglecting to give the whole background to the
socialists' decision to use to media in order to force Lajos Fu2r, former
minister of defense, to have a meeting with his successor, Gyo2rgy Keleti.

First of all, I would not draw far-reaching conclusions about Lajos Fu2r's
state of mind:

Andras comments thus:

>Can a "depressed" and "upset" minister go against the clear wishes of his
PM?
>Can he, perhaps, next time he gets depressed and upset, order troops to
>attack a neighboring country? Is this kind of person fit for such a crucial
>post as Defense? What is going on?. . . .
>Having a loose cannon
>in a ministry, not accepting the policies of the outgoing PM, and not
>accepting the policies of the incoming PM, would be a serious matter even
>less sensitive fields, inasmuch as it establishes the wrong tradition for
>rotating positions. But in Defense this is not only harmful, it is actually
>dangerous.

My background material comes from the same article the quotation is coming
from and the accompanying picture shows a very jolly Fu2r with a very jolly
Keleti shaking hands and laughing heartily. So, I would be cautious in
interpreting his refusal to meet with Keleti as a result of deep depression,
as Laszlo Juszt, the journalist, claims. It may be no more than unfounded
gossip.

Andras is quite right that Boross promised a very smooth transition and
obviously Fu2r was not following his prime minister's orders. But I think
that that is irrelevant. What is relevant that a member of the media writes
about this episode so matter of factly that one gets the impression that such
things happen quite often and the journalists don't think anything of such
practices. Eva Balogh

Too bad about the Expo but I think George Antony is right about the
notoriously losing propositions of such events. And if you read the last
couple of news items from Radio Free Europe on the state of Hungary's
finances, I am afraid there isn't much else to do but to cancel it. However,
the opposition is upset over this and other decisions because they had not
been discussed in parliament. At the moment there is summer recess for the
house. Eva Balogh

On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Joe Pannon wrote:

> I've just heard in a radio news report that Michael Jackson is spending
> part of his honeymoon in Hungary where he would shoot his latest video.
> In this video he will act as a a freedom fighter chasing Soviet soldiers
> for which the greatful Hungarians erect his statue in Budapest.
>
> Fancy stuff, eh?  Well, as long as he stays away from kindergartens (!),

May be Michael heard that in Hungary sexual intercourse between consenting
partners is legal from the age 14 (For those of you, who thinks it is
still 16, please check your info rather then writing flame letters).


                                                        Attila

>Even halpaprikas is served

Yuk!!!

Paul Gelencser

In article >  writes:
>
>Too bad about the Expo but I think George Antony is right about the
>notoriously losing propositions of such events. And if you read the last
>couple of news items from Radio Free Europe on the state of Hungary's
>finances, I am afraid there isn't much else to do but to cancel it. However,
>the opposition is upset over this and other decisions because they had not
>been discussed in parliament. At the moment there is summer recess for the
>house. Eva Balogh

So, is it final that the EXPO will be cancelled ? If not, when will the faith
of it be decided ? (not like they have much time to think about it, '96 is
just around the corner...)

/stefan (hoping for an EXPO '96!)
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>Excuse me?  Are you by any chance refering the US National Guard???
>I hope not cause our exercise are far from been silly.  I don't know
>what you do in your rl or what state you are you in but you will
>be thankfull we can be there to protect your life/property some day.
>What have you done to protect your country, your family
>in case of an emergency?  do you have any better idea than those silly
>exercises??

Dido, Papa Smurf.  The US National Guard is a tremendously valuable
organization.  They have expertise in many support an supply
fields, such as large scale transport of material (food, medicine,
shelter, mobile hospitals, consctruction equipment, sato2bi, sato2bi),
and have many times come to the aid of American civilians (Florida
huricane, midwest flood), and supported the regular US army (Desert
Storm, Somalia).  The US army actually counts on the Guard in case of
conflict and emergency, since the army does not maintain the quantity
of support units it expects to use when needed.  They actually count
on the preparedness of the Guard, and for the Guard to get involved.
They are not a "silly" organization, and they do not have "silly"
exercises.

Paul

Hugh, I have not ben using the "include with reply", but would like to.
How do you use it?

Paul

Marc,

>I'll go first, Ken. I'm a non-Hungarian Jewish American. I married the daughte
r
>of the Calvinist minister of Papa, Hungary. Maybe he's rolling over in his

Let's try tat again....(sorry for the previous messed up post)

Marc,

>I'll go first, Ken. I'm a non-Hungarian Jewish American. I married the daughte
r
>of the Calvinist minister of Papa, Hungary. Maybe he's rolling over in his

>grounds of his parents, who do not practice. We send him to a Quaker school


I have read about a problem American Jews are having, in that many Jews are
marrying non-Jews.  Since the American Jewsih population is small to
begin with, the results are serious.  I think I heard that something like
30% of Jews marry non-Jews, and the children are raised in neither faith.

Do you see this as a problem?  What do you think abouth the prospect of
the disappearance of American Jews due to this development?

Pauol
Paul, that is.

Marc,
OK, fess up!!  Where can I find those kifli and zsemle?  What all-night deli?
I live in New Jersey.  Is it in this area?

Paul

marc, why do you want the e-mail address of senior officals of the
governing, or opposition party officals?  I am hot on the trail, and
do ask that the pogacsa be fresh!!

Paul

Does anyone have info on working for the Peasce Corp. in Hungary?

Thanks,
        Paul

Charles Atherton wrote:

>unique.  I think that there is something magic about being Hungarian.

during my life, I have come across personally or had heard stories or
memorable Hungarian characters.  My impressions of us folks is, we're
kinda strange!!  Though every group has it's wierdos, the wierd gene
seems to be a Hungarian feature, ie. a friend told me about a Hungarian
man in his 40s who immigrated to the US in the 1950s.  After some time
here, he quit his job to make a motorcycle tour around the US, just to
see the place.  That is strange for a man in his 40s - I think that may
be the cigany gene.

Paul

I didn't know there habe been bomb attacks!!! Who has claimed responsibility?

Paul

Paul Gelencser writes:

> I have read about a problem American Jews are having, in that many Jews are
> marrying non-Jews.  Since the American Jewsih population is small to
> begin with, the results are serious.  I think I heard that something like
> 30% of Jews marry non-Jews, and the children are raised in neither faith.

> Do you see this as a problem?  What do you think abouth the prospect of
> the disappearance of American Jews due to this development?

I think this is a problem with being American, melting pot & all that...

Personally, this is not a problem for me (from the religious point of view)
because I believe that only adults can make substantive decisions regarding
faith, and I do not believe in hammering religion into one's children. On the
other hand, I am deeply interested in issues regarding spirituality, and we
take it upon ourselves to look into a number of religious philosophies in the
hope of practicing some kind of spiritual activity. I consider most organized
religious bodies much too corrupt and conservitive for my taste. Whenever I
sense that somebody is trying to keep me in line, my organ of ridicule
immediately begins to act up. I am much too suspicious of the shady connections
between government, clergy & big business to get too close to any of the above.
Anyone who suffered the occupation governments in E. Europe during the past 40
years should know whereof I speak.

As for the disappearance of the American Jewish community, I see no evidence
of it. I follow the community's activities in publications such as the
_Baltimore Jewish Times_, and they seem strong anough to me. In any case, I
have no wish to play a numbers game. That's just the kind of statements that
are used to keep heretics like me in line. I'm outta here.

--Marc Nasdor

> Marc,
> OK, fess up!!  Where can I find those kifli and zsemle?  What all-night deli?
> I live in New Jersey.  Is it in this area?

You better fork up about $650 for a plane ticket to Budapest, Paul. The famous
non-stop deli is in Buda, near Moszkva te'r, near the Fe'ny utca market, near
the corner of Filler utca and Fe'ny utca. Otherwise, you'll have to get me
to have you over for dinner.

Marc