Kedves Magyarok (HUNGLISHERS) !
Does anyone know or have seen a dictionary or list of either HUNGLISH
words or words that are spelled exacly the same in English & Magyar, but
of course mean very different.  I have seen it many years ago, and now I
wish I have bought it.

Viszontlatasra,
Laszlo & Monika APATHY, III
Englewood, FL. 34223-3830

Mi a MOKA?  Sosem halotam rola.  Rovidites vagy uj so?

APATHY Laci
Englewood, FL.

I am looking for any/all genealogy information of my paternal ancestors of
the following Transylvania (Erdely) families.  If anyone knows of anyone
that is also interested in Hungarian & Transylvania family history, PLEASE
conact me.  KOSZONOM SZEPEN.

APATHY, nagytoti & voldorfi/dombosi
SEBESI, bolgarfalvi
UGRON, abrahamfalvi
LASZLO, ikafavi
JAKABHAZY, jakabhazi

My maternal names from Sopron & dunantul are:

HORVATH
STERZ
KAPOSI
AUER

and much much more.  I have been doing research for some 15+ years and
enjoy it very much.  I am not a NAGY Ivan or a KEMPELEN Bela, but I have
all my genealogy on computer.  IT"S GREAT FUN & very educational.

Megegyszer, KOSZONOM SZEPEN,

Laszlo "Laci" B. APATHY, III
Monika R. (mn.WIEBELT) APATHY
Englewood, FL.

Paul M. Gifford ) wrote:
: Do some Hungarian family names indicate specific ethnic origins?

Yes.

: My aunt's maiden name was Bihari.  She was born in the U.S., but her parents 
: came from Hungary in the early 1900s.  I suspect (mostly on the basis of 
: physical features) that one or both of her parents were Gypsies.  There was a
 
: famous Gypsy violinist, Bihari Janos, of the early 19th century.  Is it 
: possible that Bihari is a common Gypsy name?

I dunno.   Bihar was a megye (county) and Bihari means 'from Bihar'.
The only really common gypsy names I remember are Orso's, Balog(h) and 
Farkas, albeit this only applies to my hometown and its surrounding, 
and Veszpre'm.

jo munkat laszlo, mit keressel?
en egy regi cserkesz vagyok (passaic, new jersey, usa) 6 os szamu gabor aron
cs.csAPAT. eLEG regen nem talalkoztam cserkeszekkel, de emlekszem milyen
jol mulattunk a nyari taborokba. Sose tala;koztam Auszi cserkesxekkel, de van
egy unokatestverem valahol delen, o is berci nevu srac. Na, hagylak tovak
kereskedni, mindenbe legjobbat kivannok. Meg egy kerdes, ismered szemelyessen a
lendvai Imret? O is nagy
on jo, es regi barat. O volt az egyi rajparancsnokom. Szia
Kormann Berci.

CLARY Olivier ) wrote:

: Say, RFDs about splitting scm to create 1. a politics group, 
: 2. a HIX group?   Enough for at least one year of flames!
: :-)

I don't think the RFD about creating a subgroup for HIX would be 
as inflammatory as the renaming was.   A sure YES from me since I 
don't read HIX and the articles just clutter the newsgroup.

Hello Wally,

Not strictly on the subject but...

you wrote:
> Canada has had three political parties of significance: conservatives, 
> liberals, socialists. The socialists have never won federal power, but 
> they wield considerable political influence. I'm afraid the racist PUNR 

If you recall, the NDP (socialists) shared power in the early seventies until
Trudeau pulled the plug...

regards,

Tamas

In article > CLIFFORD BURTON LEE,
 writes:
>They really gave their pondro's

pudré.....

Tamás

On 25 May 1995, CLIFFORD BURTON LEE wrote:
 
> NO!!! There is one region in Trannsylvania called Bihar, and in Hungary is a
> region called Hajdu-Bihar.
 
Correct me, please, if I am wrong, but I think 
Bihar county has never belonged to Transylvania. It can be found next to 
Transylvania and was always part of the Hungary . 
Hajdu-Bihar has been created after Trianon, when most of Bihar 
county was cut off from the motherland and given to Romania.
Therefore Bihar indicates only one region in Hungary.
(although, there is a state - Bihar - in India :) 

Gotthard
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I would think they would prefer living in Hungary to living in Russia.
I'm surprised they haven't asked.  Look at every else who can't wait to 
get out of that country.  Also, they'll never truly be free in Russia, 
look at Chechnya.

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.maghreb ]
[ Author was lawrence harshman ]
[ Posted on 25 May 1995 17:59:23 GMT ]

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.usa ]
[ Author was lawrence harshman ]
[ Posted on 24 May 1995 19:23:52 GMT ]


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Joskam,

persze hogy nem errol van szo - ha masert nem mar azert sem mert Usenet 
nem otthon van ;-). De ha mar kedvenc vesszoparipadnal tartunk, akkor 
valaszolhatnal ilyenkor szokasos keresemre: ugyan mondj mar egy peldat, 
amikor a "magyar" szo hasznalata miatt valaki is kirekesztesrol 
panaszkodott odahaza? Vagy ez tovabbra is olyan altalanos jelenseg, 
aminek eleddig egyetlen konret megnyilvanulasat sem tudod idezni ;-(?!

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In article > CLARY Olivier,
 writes:
>internationalism = brotherness, friendship, equality

...and proletarian internationalism

>And it is not because the commies said something that
>it is always wrong.

For paralell example think of it: try to explain a jewish
holocaust survivor that nazism not so bad thing at all,
it has some very interesting, positive aspect as well.

Tamás

In article > ,
 writes:
>second, the anonymous chronicler of king bela (I or II?) mentions 
>     latin-speaking folks in transylvania at the arrival of king istvan I 
>     there.  also, the russian chronicler Nestor,

Nestor mentioned "Vlakhs" two times in his chronicle.

Russian Primary Chronicle [Laurentian Text]:

p.53:
"Over a long period the Slavs settled beside the Danube, where
the Hungarian and Bulgarian lands now lie. From among these
Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known
by appropiate names, according to the places where they settled.
Thus some came and setteld by the river Morava, and were named
Moravians, while others were called Czechs. Among these same
Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians.
For when the Vlakhs attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled amongst
them, and did them violence, the latter came and made their homes
by Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs [1]."

[1] Lyakh (cf. Lith. leńkas, Magyar lengyel, "a Pole" Turk. Lekhistan,
"Poland") [...] common designation for Pole in the earliest Russian
sources, and still used in the Polish highland districts. The derivation
from lyada "meadow" would indicate [...]

p.62
"(date 888-898) The Maygars passed by Kiev over the hill now
called Hungarian, and on arriving at the Dnieper, they pitched
camp. They were nomads like the Polovcians. Coming out of the
east, they struggled across the great mountains, and began to
fight against the neighbouring Vlakhs and Slavs. For the Slavs
had settled there first, but the Vlakhs had seized the territory
of the Slavs. The Magyars subsequently expelled the Vlakhs,
took their land, and settled among the Slavs, whom they reduced
submission. From that time this territory was called Hungarian."
/*---*/

In the first piece I hope it is clear that Nestor talks about Poles.

The second one is more complicated however. First you must
know that in early Slavs Vlakhi, Vlasi were used for the Italians.
See modern Slav languages: Czech "Vlachy", Polish "Wlochy".
From the text it is clear that the Slavs came earlier than Vlakhs.
Then the Vlakhs were *expelled*  by the Hungarians.

Explanation: The region was then subjugated by the Frank Empire,
and Nestor refers to them as Vlakhs. That time their language
was quite near to Latin....

Actually the text is prettily against your theory. Those Vlakhs
are either Daco-romanians then the theory of continuity does
not stand because they came later than the Slavs and were
expelled anyway very soon.....or they are not Daco-romanians:
then the Nestor chronicle does not say one word of Daco-roma-
nians moreover excludes them from the region which belonged
to Slavs before Franks and Hungarians.

Tamás

In article > T. Kocsis,
 writes:
>For when the Vlakhs attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled amongst
>them, and did them violence, the latter came and made their homes
                                  ''''''
>by Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs [1]."
[..]

>In the first piece I hope it is clear that Nestor talks about Poles.

Forget what I wrote about Poles/Lyakhs. Sorry, I mixed
up two words: "later" with "latter".

The Vlakhs are mentioned here are the same Franks
as in the second part.

Tamás


..

T. Kocsis ) wrote:
: In article > CLIFFORD BURTON LEE,
:  writes:
: >They really gave their pondro's

: pudré.....

purda

Dan Pop ) wrote:

: >Dan Pop writes:
: >> But the indian people _are_ indigenuous in North America.

Jeez Dan, how many brain cells did it take for you to come to this 
conclusion?

: Not if the Hungarians in TS would live in reservations, specially created
: for them :-)
: Dan

Reservations are also known as autonomous regions, also known as 
sovereign nations. I think Romania has reservations for Hungarians -- you 
call them jails don't you? :-)

God Dan, you know even less about the natives of Canada or USA than I 
know about the Roma in Romania. I think the Hungarians might find it 
advantageous to learn about the degree of autonomy and language rights 
that Quebecers enjoy in within the confederation of Canada.
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In article >, 
ich.edu (Paul M. Gifford) writes:
> Do some Hungarian family names indicate specific ethnic origins?
> 
> My aunt's maiden name was Bihari.  She was born in the U.S., but her parents 
> came from Hungary in the early 1900s.  I suspect (mostly on the basis of 
> physical features) that one or both of her parents were Gypsies.  There was a
 
> famous Gypsy violinist, Bihari Janos, of the early 19th century.  Is it 
> possible that Bihari is a common Gypsy name?

NO!!! There is one region in Trannsylvania called Bihar, and in Hungary is a
region called Hajdu-Bihar.

Gypsy names are: Rezmuves, Lakatos, Sandokan & Hamlet :-)
They really gave their pondro's (gipsy child) coooooooooooool names...

C-Ya

> 
> Paul Gifford

In article >,  (Dan Pop) writes
:
> In >  (Janos S
zamosfalvi) writes:
> 
>>Distribution: 
>>
>>Dan Pop ) wrote:
>>: In >  (Janos
 Szamosfalvi) writes:
>>
>>: >Dan Pop ) wrote:
>>: >: >
>>: >: >How can you explain that Romanians are so afraid of the few Magyars?
>>: >: >The consciousness of guilt, perchance?
>>: >
>>: >: Nope.  The memories of 1940 - 1944.
>>: >
>>: >Or the guilt of greed after WWI when they grabbed areas that have 
>>: >never belonged to TS, and/or had magyar majority.
>>
>>: Like Covasna and Harghita, right?
>>
>>: How does your theory explain the existence of Romanian villages in
>>: Hungary?  Yeah, the Romanians were damn greedy after WWI.
>>
>>Ok, lesse, there are at most several romanian villages in Hu while
>>there are a lot more, maybe 10 times as much magyar villages in Ro.   
> 
> Of course, since Hungarian villages are spread all over TS.  What does
> this prove?
> 
>>Likewise, there are only a very few romanians in Hu while there are 
>>a lot more magyars (not including szekle'rs) in Ro.
> 
> The same explanation as above.  It's worth noting that the regions with
> compact Magyar population are _not_ near the Hungarian border, but at
> the _opposite_ end of TS, near Moldova.  The best explanation for this
> fact is the Romanian greediness, of course.
>>
>>About greediness, I've heard that Romanians wanted to go as far as 
>>the Tisza river and claiming cities like Debrecen.   Of course, this
>>was too much even for her allies. 
>>
> Now, you're contradicting yourself (not surprizingly for a hate-driven
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^

> mind :-)  If the borders have been traced by the allies, the Romanian
  ^^^^
???????


> "greediness" cannot be held responsible for the result.  They took what
> they were allowed to take.
> 
> OTOH, we can talk about Magyar greediness, when they conquered and 
> colonized TS.  They took a much larger area than they actually needed,
> simply because it was in their power to do so.  They couldn't populate
> and defend it themselves, so they were forced to bring non-Magyar
> colonists for this purpose.
> 
> Dan
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