Andras Nagy > writes:
 
>I was born in Budapest I am now an US citizen.
>I never "rejected" my hungarian citizenship.
>What is my status ?? Dual citizen ? Do I need
>a visa and how long could I stay in BP or could
>I get a work visa ? Obviously I will never give
>up my US passport, just like to go back for a
>year or less. Any usable info will be appreciated.
 
uments). Eventually, I got my Hungarian passport, with the new (old) seal on
it, and I used it to travel through Hungary, Switzterland, France and England,
only digging out my US passport when I got "home" to New York.
Your passport is also proof of citizenship.  But be careful: unlike your US
citizenship which gives you the right to vote regardless of your physical
location, the Hungarian constitution -- strangely -- denies you the right to
vote.  The reson I
call that strange is that all of Hungary's neighbors permit their citizens to
vote even if they live in the US and are US citizens as well.  (I recall an
advertisement by RMDSz, the Romanian Hungarian party , asking Romanian citizens
who are ethnic Hungari
nsulate and vote! All this on the New York Hungarian Radio!)  Perhaps
eventually Hungary will catch up, too...
Charlie Vamossy

In July I will be visiting Transilvania with a group travelling by bus
from Budapest.  We have several nights in Cluj-Naapoca and in Tirgu-Mures 
and Iwould like to hear from and possibly to meet fellow Inter-NETTERS 
in these cities.  I am a retired engineer now teaching Computer Science
at a local university in New Haven, Connecticut, USA.  Because I do not
speak or understand Romanian and have only rudimentary command of Hungarian,
I would hope that those answering will be better in understanding English
than I am in Hungarian.  PLEASE respond by e-mail to 
 -- NOT by posting to this group.  I will 
ackowledge all responses and look forward to them.

Andrew Farkas

In article >,  (Balazs Boros
) writes:
|>Hi everyone,
|>
|>I am visiting Budapest in November-January and was wondering what sort of 
|>clothes do people wear in Winter over there. Please excuse my ignorance 
|>but I live in Perth, Autralia where it hardly ever drops below 5C.
|>
|>Thanks
|>
|>Balazs
|>
|>

-10C at that time is quite usual

In article >  (CLIFFORD BURT
ON LEE (1962.02.10-1986.09.26)) writes:
>From: 
>Subject: info
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>Organization: University at Buffalo
[...]
>Nu aveai decit sa te carabanesti in Ungaria, daca nu-ti convenea!!! [...]

OK, I did not read further. Wasn't I saying recently this has the worst effect?

% finger 
[...]
V098TZ8T (Gabriela Nechita) is not logged in.

Women are worse when they mean to... :-)

-- Olivier

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****************************************
 Hungarian Festival in New Brunswick, N.J.

                             20th ANNUAL

                          HUNGARIAN FESTIVAL

                       Saturday, June 3, 1995
                            11 AM - 8 PM

 Festivities begin with the opening ceremonies at Magyar Reformed  Church
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****************************************
The Prime Minister of Hungary - Gyula Horn - is going to give a talk
about the Hungarian government's program on the
4th of June ( Whitsun Sunday )  

The title of his talk is :
Magyarorsza'g gazdasa'gi e's ku~lpolitikai to~rekve'sei az
a'talakula's uta'n  ( a beszed magyarul lesz )
[ Hungary's ambitions in economics and foreign politics
  after the transition period . (the talk is in Hungarian) ] 

After the talk, the ambassador of the Republic of the Hungary
is going to give a reception to honor the PM .

The PM stays in Washington, D.C.  from the 4th till the 7th of June, 1995
 
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 (Denise noe) wrote:
>
> Please help.  I am looking for fairly recent scholarship on the 16 C.
> Countess Elizabeth Bathory. I am especially interested in whether or not
> first-hand sources show that blood-drinking or bathing was in fact part of
> her crimes.


Well, well, the countess was actually Hungarian and I suggest asking our
friends from soc.culture.magyar.
I believe they said she liked to bath in blood of virgil girls.
Anyway, she would have made Vlad Dracula the Impaler look like
a real nice guy.
I think that her family, Bathory, got tired of her and put her in a prison cell
where she died.
Maybe someone else has more details on this Hungarian character.

Adrian

PS Hey JP, she could have made the perfect bride for You !!

Laszlo Dienes > writes:
 
>A small but rather good collection of Hungarian books (both in
>Hungarian and in English, mostly older, some valuable, mostly in
>quite good condition) is available for the asking.
>We recently inherited this library from relatives but have no room
>for it. We would like to find a nice home for them, preferably
>a public home, like a college or public library, a Hungarian school,
>a club, whatever.
 
We at the New York Hungarian House would be most grateful for your donation of
your collection of Hungarian and English books.  One of the organizations is
thye Hungarian Library and Historical Society, who would be able to add some of
your books to th
eir collection and find a home for those that are duplicates.
We are an approved IRS 501 (c) organization and woulkd provide you with an
acknowledgement of your donation.
Our address:
The Hungarian House
c/o/ Charles Vamossy, President
213 East 82nd Street
New York, N.Y.  10028
(212)249-9360
 
or you may try me at home: 914 592-8829

In article >,  (Balazs Boros
) writes:
|>Hi,
|>
|>Sorry I did not put this in the other posting but it slipped my mind. I 
|>just wanted to ask if a soft woolen trench-coaty sort of garmet is 
|>suitable for Winter.
|>
|>Thanks again
|>
|>Balazs
|>
|>

If it is cold, usually I wear tricot, T-shirt, shirt, pull-over, leather-jacket
 in this order.

In article >,
Zsoter Andras > wrote:
>As someone pointed out to me when I complained about certain antidemocratic
>rules iin the US that so far the US had to control only the IMMIGRATION
>there is no law against EMIGRATION.
>I think the same holds for Singapore.

	what's your point?  the only conclusion i see is that both 
	societies have a very unfair distribution of wealth, which is 
	attractive to people from poorer areas, and that the inequality 
	needs defending with barbaric practices like the death sentence,
	which is also common to both countries,

	andrew

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HAAC Magyar Torteneti Tarsasag
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presents on the 75th anniversary of the signing of the TRIANON Treaty

Ge'za Jeszenszky's talk :

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In article >,  > wrote:
>
>Who is Harsanyi Janos?
>

Harsanyi, John C., Ph.D., Univ. Professor. b. May 29, 1920, Bpest. m. 1951 to 
Anne Klauber, Psychologist. ch. one. ed Univ. of Bpest, Ph.D. 1947., Univ. of 
Sydney, Australia, M.A., 1953; Stanford Univ., Ph.D. 1959. Retired Prof. 
Bus.Adm.and Econ., Univ. of California, Berkeley. Awards: Rockefeller Fellow, 
1956-57 [...] 1994 Nobel price in economics (shared with two others)

Books:
A general theory of equilibrium selection in games
    Cambridge, Mass. : MIT Press, c1988.
Papers in game theory
    Dordrecht, Holland ; Boston U.S.A. : D. Reidel Pub. Co. ; Hingham, MA :
Rational behavior and bargaining equilibrium in games and social situations
    Cambridge <Eng.> ; New York : Cambridge University Press, 1977.
Essays on ethics, social behavior, and scientific explanation
    Dordrecht <Netherlands> ; Boston : D. Reidel Pub. Co., c1976.
A bargaining model for the cooperative n-person game
    Stanford, Calif. : Dept. of Economics, Stanford University, 1958.

Barna Bozoki

I recently stumbled across the name of a Hungarian poet, Jeno Dsida, 
with the same last name as me.  I know nothing about my Hungarian 
ancestry (I am 1/8 Hungarian), but I would love to find out more about 
the poet, his work, whether he is related....  Does anyone out there have 
any suggestions? 

Thank you.
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Hello:

My name is S. Tomie Burke and I am in need of assistance.  We are
searching for the family of our father who was Hungarian.  He came to the
U.S. in the 50's we think.  He had escaped from a Russian prison.  Dad,
Jonas Szasz, died while we were small children in the 60's, a couple
years later our mother died.  Our stepfather has no information regarding
the Szasz family in Hungary.  After years of searching for information we
have the following.  Dad had a brother, Sandor Szasz in Szaszhalembatta,
Hungary.  We recently wrote the mayor and he confirmed that Sandor is
alive but would not give us his address.  We want our uncle and any other
family to know we are alive and would like to correspond with them.  Can
anyone out there help us get in touch with our Uncle.  Does anyone have
family or a person in a nearby town that I can contact by e-mail?
Please, we've searched so long, so hard, we want to know our family.
Thank you!

Adrian quotes and writes:
>  (Denise noe) wrote:
> >
> > Please help.  I am looking for fairly recent scholarship on the 16 C.
> > Countess Elizabeth Bathory. I am especially interested in whether or 
not
> > first-hand sources show that blood-drinking or bathing was in fact part 
of
> > her crimes.


> Well, well, the countess was actually Hungarian and I suggest asking our
> friends from soc.culture.magyar.
> I believe they said she liked to bath in blood of virgil girls.
> Anyway, she would have made Vlad Dracula the Impaler look like
> a real nice guy.
> I think that her family, Bathory, got tired of her and put her in a 
prison cell
> where she died.
> Maybe someone else has more details on this Hungarian character.

> Adrian

Well as a matter of fact a Romanian guy, sorry I can't think of his name, 
it is perhaps Andrei somthing or another (I think he is the one who lives 
in New Orleans and has an NPR slot on All Things Considered) just wrote a 
book about her. A friend of mine read the prepublished book for review and 
razzed me about it. Maybe it is intended to derail the Dracula pride, hey 
anything that brings the tourist dollars.
is useful.
As I recall some writings, the lady she was only bathing in blood, the 
drinking was reserved for licensed vampires only. How far some will go for 
a beauty treatment. :-)

Regards,Jeliko.

"JELIKO" > wrote:

> Well as a matter of fact a Romanian guy, sorry I can't think of his name, 
> it is perhaps Andrei somthing or another (I think he is the one who lives 
> in New Orleans and has an NPR slot on All Things Considered) just wrote a 
> book about her. 

His name is Andrei Codrescu and wrote a few books, not all on Romania.
One one Romania is called: A hole in the flag, while another one is
a description of his travel across USA in a pink Cadillac.
He is often on NPR and lives in Baton Rouge teaching of all things
English at a Luisiana University.  I heard him on Radio and he has a very
strong accent, quite funny.  He seems to be a real democrat and quite
anti republican.(Hates their guts)

>A friend of mine read the prepublished book for review and 
> razzed me about it. 

I can't belive he wrote on Countess Bathory, what's the name of the
book ?

>Maybe it is intended to derail the Dracula pride, 

I don't that anything can do that.  They just had the first
World Congress on Dracula in Romania

>hey  anything that brings the tourist dollars.
> is useful.

Talking of Dracula he was in the Visegrad castle for 12 or so years
imprisoned.  Is there anything there that looks like it may be a tourist
attraction ?

> As I recall some writings, the lady she was only bathing in blood, the 
> drinking was reserved for licensed vampires only. How far some will go for 
> a beauty treatment. :-)

A few years ago on late night Creature Feature I saw a movie on TV
about the Countess Bathory.  It was quite gross, I recall.
The lady was eating some body parts and was bathing in blood.
The problem was the leftovers were tossed behind or under the bed and
after I few days they stunk up the place.  Needless to say other members
of the family found the odor to hard to swallow.


> Regards,Jeliko.

 

Regards,
Adrian

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
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Postingul tau nr. 20086 de pe s.c.r. reprezinta una dintre cele mai mari
ineptii pe care le-am citit vreodata in viata mea!!! Nu numai ca scrii intr-o
romaneasca stricata de care ne puteai foarte bine scuti (puteai folosi engleza,
daca esti in stare...), insa timpeniile pe care le insiri sint sub orice
critica si imi provoca GREATA, pur si simplu!!!!! In primul rind, spui ca ai
fost OBLIGAT sa inveti romaneste---pai bozgor nenorocit ce esti, era NORMAL sa
vorbesti ROMANESTE atita vreme cit traiai pe teritoriul Romaniei. Nu aveai
decit sa te carabanesti in Ungaria, daca nu-ti convenea!!! Tu si cu bozgorii
tai nenorociti ati avut intotdeauna gura mare si ati fost plini de pretentii
nerusinate de cind v-a adus necuratul in coasta noastra, a romanilor! Tot in
postingul tau prapadit mai afirmi ca "sint convins ca de pe dreptul meu, ca
sint documenti in lume care ne da noua drept"--ce documente sint si la ce va da
voua drept, retardatule??? La insulte, la pretentii nefondate, la alungarea
romanilor din satele din Covasna si  Harghita care se afla pe pamintul lor
stramosesc de mii de ani, la bataia si injunghierea romanilor, la extremistii
din UDMR, la tricouri pe strazile Budapestei pe care scrie in engleza
"Transilvania pamint unguresc", etc.,etc.??????Tot tu scrii "Daca merg acasa pe
PLAIUL NATAL, atunci sa nu stau ore la granita[...]cine a mai ramas sa aiba
ziare si scoli". Mai cretinule, cum de ai tupeul sa numesti Romania PLAI NATAL,
dupa ce o batjocoresti in gura mare????La granita sta toata lumea, din cauza
afluentei mari de persoane!!!Acum 4 ani am stat 5 ore in frig la granita in
Ungaria, pe un viscol naprasnic, intrucit bozgoroii ne-au facut sicane din
cauza ca eram romani!!! Iar ungurimea din Romania beneficiaza CLAR de scoli,
ziare , posturi de radio si TV, plus emisiuni in limba lor ciineasca de 3 ori
pe saptamina pe postul national de televiziune, in care latra amenintari si
insulte la adresa noastra, a romanilor. Mai scrii "sa fie a voastra
Transilvania, dar nu biruiti"--Transilvania a fost a noastra DINTOTDEAUNA, o
dovedesc miile de marturii arheologice si documentare, si va fi a noastra,
oricit va veti zbate sa intrati cu armele peste noi, si oricit va veti stoarce
organul acela atrofiat ce va tine loc de creiere pentru a ne pune tot felul de
piedici si a crea probleme! Mai scrii ca granita nu e deschisa "ca intre
tarile CIVILIZATE"--din moment ce au lasat sa iasa din tara un imbecil
mizerabil ca tine, inseamna ca sint suficient de deschise. Si sa nu mai
indraznesti sa insinuezi ca Romania este o tara necivilizata!!!Te pomenesti ca
Ungaria, urmasa hunilor lui Attila care traiau pe cai si tineau carnea de
consum sub sea, este un "model de civilizatie"...Noi sintem urmasii dacilor lui
Decebal si ale legiunilor romane ale lui Traian, imbinind doua mari culturi si
civilizatii ce depasesc cu mult barbarismul stramosilor vostri. Asa ca taca-ti
fleoanca (daca stii ce-i aia) si GET LOST!!!Sa nu te obosesti sa-mi raspunzi la
mesaj, intrucit ti-l voi trimite inapoi necitit!!!!

Gotthard Saghi-Szabo > writes:

>Koszonom a valaszt, most mar tudom, hogy legalabb kettonknek tetszik a 
>talk.politics.hungarian letrehozasa :) 

 Nem affele ostoba 'me too'-zaskent, de ez egy jo otlet. Volt olyan kifogas, 
 hogy tul sok (vagy minek van egyaltalan) itt a politika. Mivel az a javaslatom
 nem talalt visszhangra, hogy egy egyseges jellel legyenek a kifejezetten 
 politikai tartalmu irasok megjelolve (a gyilok-fajlok erdekeben) - egyedul 
 pedig nincs ertelme megvalositani a sajat javaslatomat :-))) - , ezert a t.p.h
 (avagy t.p.m ugyebar :) ) erosen megfontolando. Aztan hadd jojjon az a 
 magassagos kultura. :-) 

A da'kokat meg a t.p.h(m)-ben lehetne eligazitani. 

>Minden jot,
>Gotthard

 Udv, 
   Pm


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 Pm
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Latja ezt valaki, aki nem magyarorszagi szervert hasznal?

				George

 (Wally Keeler) writes:

[ English translation of documents of fascist Rumanian organization Vatra 
 Romanesca cut from here ]

 Thanks for posting. I think it was quite informative for non-Hungarian netters
 about the political trends in Rumania. 

 I may add that after the congress of RMDSZ there's another anti-Hungarian 
 campaign (not the least the first one this year) in Rumania and this time 
 (maybe as a prelude to the upcoming  (presidental) elections) even those 
 Rumanian political groups seem to 
 "join in" the Hungarian-bashing, like liberal Peasants' Party, who have 
 refrained from chauvinism so far.     

>But then again, I'm sure this is known in SCM.

  It is. I'm afraid it's not so elsewhere. 

>-- 
>Wally Keeler					Poetry
>Creative Intelligence Agency			is
>Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

 Regards,
 
 Miklos

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 Pm
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 writes:

>Forgive my ignorance,
>Who is Harsanyi Janos?

 He's a Hungarian *economics* professor living in the USA. The name of the
 univ escapes me now. 

>He recently won the Nobel Prize. What did he win it for?

 For improving game theories of restricted information availability. 
 This has had much use for the USA in the negotiation arts of the Cold War 
 era. Actually Prof. Harsanyi worked as an advisor at the US governmental 
 office for arms race restriction.

  Obviously the theory thrives on the oblique ground of economics as well. :)

>Is he a Hungarian American, and where does he currently live?

>Any additional information about him is much appreciated.

 Some weeks ago he officially visited Hungary, together with Nobel lauterate 
 Prof. Gyorgy Olah (chemics), and he was awarded honorary doctorate at 
 Budapest University of Economics. Certainly they were received in the 
 Hungarian Parliament by the Hungarian PM.   

>Kosz szep,

>Istvan

 Cheers,
 Pm
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 Pm
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