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Why New Bread Day? (mind) |
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Asian recipes in Hungarian... (mind) |
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+ - | Re: Mr Bland Glands (mind) |
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Brigitta Bali > wrote to Goober:
>
>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
>
>Of you have no capability. You are Mr Bland Gland.
>
>Still playing the role of the chauvinist octopus, Mr Bland Gland are we?
>
>YOUR opinion Mr Bland Gland -- also irrelevent.
>
>Because OSU provides you with a $19.95 education. What could you expect.
>Try a real university library Mr Bland Gland.
>
>I don't care Mr Bland Gland.
Gosh! It could not get any better than this!
I am rolling on the floor ...
Bland Gland??? This one deserves the Oscar!
Joe
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VÁLASZ |
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Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Regardless of how difficult it was for me to sometimes swallow your fertile
>wit ;-) I would suggest that you lance the infertile toxic banalities and
>flush them downstream for processing at the Cernavoda Nuclear Power Plant;
Right. But I would be terribly disappointed if you misunderstood me and
thought I was writing about you when I was writing about your critics.
Joe
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Mart Tarmak ) wrote:
: Streit Roland > wrote:
: >Hi all,
: >I am making a study about racism on the world wide web. Currently, I am
: >looking for URLs of sites that contain racist web-pages (nazi-sites,
: >extreme nationalism etc).
: >ps: I have posted this article on various soc.culture.* newsgroups. I
: >therefore would like to apolopize if you encounter this posting several
: >times.
: What was the criteria you choose these newsgroups?
: Mart
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Hi Gabor,
In article >,
Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
I wonder if Faludy is aware of how often his name is used by Wally&Briggi?
They love to "drop" names.
You know, maybe Wally&Briggi should take a trip to Xinjiang Uygur or even
Xizang (this
would take them out of circulation for a while) -- if they go to
Xochimilco, they will be
back before we know it.
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VÁLASZ |
Feladó: (cikkei)
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In article >,
> wrote:
>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>
>>Regardless of how difficult it was for me to sometimes swallow your fertile
>>wit ;-) I would suggest that you lance the infertile toxic banalities and
>>flush them downstream for processing at the Cernavoda Nuclear Power Plant;
>
>Right. But I would be terribly disappointed if you misunderstood me and
>thought I was writing about you when I was writing about your critics.
>
>Joe
I was laughing my otherwise small butt off when I realized that he just did
that. He even flames his supporters! Now that's creative. Joe at least has
brains and original thoughts, and even though he criticises me in this game, I
have a lot of respect for him.
Gyorgy Kovacs
GK
Gyuri
(pick one)
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+ - | 5 Geniuses & Suicide (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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(AND Books)wrote:
|Wally Keeler ) wrote:
|:T. Kocsis > wrote:
|:|I only write some tipical words of the five geniuses to characterize them.
|:|south - cheerful, serene life ideal | Berzsenyi belongs to here.
|:|west - cultivatedness and social balance | Szecheny is tipical.
|:|north - closeness to nature, sensitivity | Hamvas put Petofi here
|:|east - yearning for freedom
|:|Erdely - intricate richness
|:|
|:|Hamvas says that an average european only has to unit and con-
|:|ciliate to form his/her individuality. We have five such geniuses
|:|and three of them ( east, west, erdely) are very difficult to
|:|reconcile. Only the five together form a full hungarian psyche, full
|:|magyar personality. (Jokai, Csokonay seems to manage that)
|
|:Each genius seems to designate a particular cultural configuration. One's
|:personality is a result of growing up within a particular culture -- mind
|:set, values, etc. For centuries this was fine because travel was restricted
|:to walking and the horse up until the current century. If the suicide rate
|:was low in Hungary's past, perhaps it was because there was little exposure
|:to the assorted geniuses.
|
|This lent itself to stability of character. self-defined tautology... logical
|positivism at best... or are you suggesting an environmental determinism uniqu
e
|to a particular culture thru isolation???
The presumption is that suicide increased during the 20th century. T. Kocsis
suggests that there is a causitive basis in the conflicts between 5 distinct
geniuses of Hungarian culture. Perhaps environmental determinism is a factor,
but it behooves me to quantify how much of a factor it might play.
|: With
|: the advent of cars, radio, tv, the exposure of the assorted geniuses to one
|: another increased along with the need to reconcile what a Hungarian was.
|: The suggestion is that Hungarians suffer from an identity crisis.
|
|language makes our identity (see Whorf, Piaget, Chomsky et al)...
|how do the native canadians enter this process???
Language certainly is a dominating factor in our cultural identity. What
occurred in Canada was the implementation of universal education. for example,
every year throughout the north Inuit children were taken away from their
families for months on end and placed in schools. They were taught in English o
r
French, as the case may be. (Mostly English). They were forbidden to speak
Inuktitut. They were forbidden to express any of their Native culture, eg. the
plains Natives could not burn sweetgrass which was an important element of thei
r
celebration. The result was a "cultural genocide." The children were sent back
to their communities for the summer, their souls filled with North American
culture, but in their remoteness and impoverishment, they were unable to expres
s
the "new" culture. Meanwhile, they lost their Native ability to hunt and surviv
e
in the winter. So on and so forth. They were caught between two geniuses --
their own and North America's.
|:Canada's native people may suffer from this same sort of phenomenon. The
|:Natives suffered from an assortment of benign neglect, apartheidism,
|:assimilation, at the hands of the colonizers. Over two hundred years,
|:Anglo-Franco culture dominated and the Native cultures had no way to
|:maintain their own distinctiveness. Now we have a situation where it is
|:impossible for a Native to fully live the Native way as did his ancestors.
|:Lakes and rivers are polluted. Urban development. Tv. Radio. Movies. There
|:are very few left who are sustaining themselves from hunting, fishing,
|:trapping and leading a nomadic way of life. This "cultural genocide" has
|:been an important contributing factor to the high suicide rate.
|
|oh! Woe is me! i can't buy AA batteries for my Walkman, i think i'll kill
|myself now...
This perhaps is more apropos to the SiliconValleyGirlCulture than to Native
culture. But then again, your contemptuous cynicism hit the nail on the head.
|:(Economic conditions and poverty are non-starters as a causitive factor --
|:suicide rates are higher in more economically advanced countries than in
|:third world countries. And there are no studies which have determined that
|:suicide is more likely to occur among the lower economic class than among the
|:middle or upper class).
|
|your kidding. the opposite is true, namely suicide is a burgeous road for
|those whose material quests lead to a cosmic dead end (see Marcuse, Maslow,
|Ornstein) on second thought, was that your point?
Yes. That's what I said. No kidding!
|:Canadians have always had an identity "crisis". It differs from the immigrant
|:society to our south where the process of assimilation prevails, rather
|:than Canada's general policy of integration, not assimilation. Canada has
|:no fixed identity -- never has. (I personally like this very much. In July
|:1985, there was considerable disdain when I spoke at the Schoeffer Seminarium
|:in the city of Kalosca -- there was a Hungarian cultural assembly there of
|:many of Hungary's creme de la creme of the avante garde -- and expressed my
|:personal delight that I had no cultural history, no cultural identity. I
|:expressed it as freedom. Canada is in a perpetual state of becoming.)
|
|what does your cultural independence have to do with you being Hungarian?
|is it that you think yourself Canadian to be a serum against suicide?
Hardly.
|:The cohesiveness of Canada as a country is in some doubt, what with Quebec
|:posturing for sovreignty, and within Quebec, the Cree and Inuit, posturing
|:that they can also be sovereign. (Very interesting) However, it has not
|:lead to higher rates of suicide. Perhaps this could be explained away by
|:the fact that Canadians have never had a genius to begin with, so they are
|:starting with a clean slate. It is not a matter of reconciling to anything
| ^^^^^^^^^^^
|ahso, another example of cultural tabula rasa (gimme a break the brits and
|frogs have never been clean of anything but genius)
I agree with you about the British and the French. Canadians are neither.
|:-- it is a matter of personal adjustments within the world's first post-moder
n
|:state.
|
|you must be leading an interesting life (see Lao Tse, Hayakawa, Watts... or
|Jaynes, Harris, or Ornstein if you like)
Some of them yes, in my college days. The situation with Quebec is quite
interesting -- for a Canadian. As far as the rest of the world is concerned,
it's a big yawn. Indeed, Canada is one huge sea-to-sea yawn insofar as the rest
of the world is concerned. Actually, there's a enormous glut of Canadians who
find the Quebec situation downright boring. Such is life in the world's first
post-modern state.
|:|The problem with these geniuses, that if they are not reconciled they
|:|become demonical because the geniuses are archeotipical qualities. It
|:|results the tipical Hungarian irrational hatred to each other.
|
|the hatred is NOT irrational... unfortunately, it's real!
Much of reality is irrational.
|:Ok, so we have groups in conflict with each other. Is this a recent cultural
|:phenomenon (20th century) or has this "irrational hatred" been a long term
|:historical feature? I have not heard of this 5 genius postulate and it is ver
y
|:interesting. It would seem that a prima facie case has been made which
|:concludes that Hungary's high suicide rate is a cultural manifestation and if
|:this is the case, then suicide and goulash go together as easily as mom and
|:apple pie.
|
|the most simple and elegant explanans is materialism, which the hungarian
|culture/language abhores, but the german/austrian influence has imported and
|yoked upon our culture...
Why "yoked"? Cultures are not nouns. They are verbs. Cultures evolve, they
import and export as they come in touch with other cultures. Rock&Roll is an
American cultural phenom, but the Hobo Blues Band is no less Hungarian because
it absorbed an American cultural phenom and gave it a Hungarian flavour.
Rock&Roll is an international cultural phenomena.
|if you own the apple pie, the apple pie owns YOU mom!
Ain't it the truth though!
|nice thinkies wally!
And very much you too!
|janos
--
Wally Keeler Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency is
Peoples Republic of Poetry Poetency
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>>Right on, Brigi! I'm afraid what we've got here is a failure to
>>communicate! Some people want to interpret literally even what is
>>symbolic. What can you do with people like that?
>>
>>Joe
>You can love them, you can hate them, you can ignore them, but you can't shut
>them up.
Right, GK, but I wasn't talking about Wally.
Joe
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VÁLASZ |
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|
In article >,
> wrote:
>>>Right on, Brigi! I'm afraid what we've got here is a failure to
>>>communicate! Some people want to interpret literally even what is
>>>symbolic. What can you do with people like that?
>>>Joe
>>You can love them, you can hate them, you can ignore them, but you can't shut
>>them up.
>
>Right, GK, but I wasn't talking about Wally.
>Joe
I know. He already tried that.
Gyuri
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I am a 2nd generation American Magyar and am interested in learning more
of the customs and culture of my forbears. Can anyone explain to me why
August 20 is called New Bread Day"? Is this an old custom, and if so, how
old? Koszonom szepen in advance.
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VÁLASZ |
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I am trying to locate some asian recipes in Hungarian for my father.
Does anyone have any idea where I might be able to find some?
|
+ - | Re: Strength in diversity [was: Transilvania was,is an (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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In article >, (George
Szaszvari) wrote:
> In article >,
(T.M.Lutas) says:
> >
> >Yes they do, as hungarian ethnics should as well. But hispanics have done
> >this on their own dime. If anything hungarians should be chomping at the bit
> >for fast privatization which will allow them to be rich enough in 10 years
> >or so to start building a similar private cultural network. I would
> >welcome that as a genuine addition to Romania, not a budget fight for
> >scarce public funds when budget items like public pensions are not keeping
> >up with inflation. Even if hungarians win that kind of fight it is a phyrric
> >victory. The resentment caused by the losers is going to lead to a build
> >up of ethnic tensions that all sides but especially hungarians are going
> >to lose because of.
>
> So just let the same freedom of opportunity exist for Hungarians (and
> other ethnics) in Romania, too. I'm not asking for preferential
> treatment and I'm sure most people not of Romanian descent wouldn't
> want it any other way, either. The answer here seems to be to go for
> your desire of massive privatization.....so be it. What about the powers
> that be? Wouldn't they be worried about such a drastic step away from
> centralization?
It's not about centralization or decentralization. If you were to dump
all the powers into the municipalities instead of the central government
you would just get 5000 different versions of the same mess we have now.
The key is to empower private individuals to use their creative talents
to move the Romanian economy from a zero sum game to a positive sum game.
I believe that the first step is to get rid of the neo-communists by
electing the Constantinescu's CDR.
> Public pensions is a problem world-wide btw. In Britain and the US
> it is reckoned that anyone without a private pension in the next century
> will be on the scrap heap by retirement age (if they can remain employed
> long enough to afford one in the first place.)
Personally, I like the Chilean system. Their pension growth is so impressive
that on a salary base 1/4 of the US, they are quickly going to exceed the
US in average pension benefits if the US does nothing to change its system.
There are transition costs to this but the system on the whole has performed
admirably in the 10+ years that its been in place.
> >> If dangerous products are used in areas where warning
> >> notices are in a foreign language
> >
> >foreign language??? Insert foot in mouth.
>
> Not so fast! It means foreign to the people reading it, i.e., *foreign
> language* as in a language that is alien to them. Put funny hat on and
> stand in corner.
Oh please! It was at the very least an odd construction. I understood
what you were saying but you could have made yourself much clearer by
saying something like "dangerous products where warning notices are in
a language not spoken by many of the users."
> >> So the Romanian state isn't up to doing it's job, thus non-Romanian
> >> ethnics must carry the burden? I'm afraid you are transferring the onus
> >> of responsibility to the most vulnerable members of that society.
> >
> >I think that you misunderstand me. The Romanian government's job is to
> >make sure that all it's citizen's understand and can communicate in
> >romanian.
> I'd have thought that any govt's duty was to be concerned with ALL their
> citizens' rights and interests (and taking careful note of the more
> vulnerable members of that society.) Not in Romania, apparently, according
> to what you're writing.
The government's duty is to follow the constitution. ARTICLE 13 of said
document states "In Romania, the official language is Romanian." There are
separate rights for minority languages to be shielded from the full brunt
of Article 13 but in the broad main Romanian is the language for official
communications and you have to know it to get along in the country without
handicap.
And no, the govt's duty is not to be concerned with all citizens interests.
Their rights yes, but not their interests. This is why most interests are
called private interests. Your culture, like what socks you wear,
and who you marry, may be intensely important to you but these matters are
all private interests. The state may give you a marriage license and they
may certify that the socks aren't inflammable, and they also may ensure
that there is a certain amount of common culture for all its citizens but
the vast bulk should be out of the government's purview.
> >As I understand it, this is what it is trying to do over the
> >protests of some very loud hungarian irredentists.
>
> Suggesting that govt policy is knee-jerk reaction to a bunch of noisy
> irredentists. Very disappointing!
That is not what I was saying.
> How come the Hungarians in Burgenland
> (annexed into Austria since WWII) doesn't have a bunch of noisy irredentists
> demanding that territory be repatriated back to Hungary? I'm sure they're
> all sood Austrian citizens now, learn and speak German when they need to
> and speak Hungarian at home as they like. Of course, during the communist
> era they were largely glad to be in Austria, but it still bears some
> thought.
Yes, they were largely glad to be in Austria. And if Romania had a real
economy instead of the neo-communist disaster that it has right now the
irredentists here would probably mute their calls as well.
DB
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To think that language is the issue here, is at least naive. The Jewish minori
ties in Romania,
for example have no territorial claims, or demands on schooling in any particul
ar language yet
they have and still are the object of hate actions. This applies to other mino
rities as
well.Read a realtively newly published book "Free to Hate", the chapter on Roma
nia, entitled
"Anti-Semitism Without Jews". The issue is much larger. Romanians have been r
ather harsh on
minorities because they could get away with it. Let's take for example the Ott
oman occupation.
It is during this time that the famous saying "The head that bows, the spade c
uts not".They
couldn't even start their own revolution for God's sake. They had to piggyback
on Tokes'
supporters. Funny, how another Romanian proverb comes to mind "Once the war is
over, many
heroes show up". A great deal of this ethnocentrism is motivated by the histor
ical perception
that Latin roots are superior to Magyar or Slavic roots (I am not exactly sure
where this comes
from). Why don't you remind your Romanian counterparts that while their first w
ritten documents
did not appear until the 15th century, your people had drafted the Golden Bull,
the constitution
which already in the 1200 insured freedom of religion. What is this sense of s
uperiority really
based on? Personally I favour civilization as an index of a nation's progress.
Racism,
ethnocentrism,revival of Fascism certainly cannot be considered a sign of civil
ization.
Thr truth is that Romania never deserved Transylvania, the political manipulati
on of which
merely had to do with the fact the Romania switched sides during the war, as al
ways eager tp
side with winners regardless of the moral implications. I do wish all Hungaria
ns that
Transylvania will someday enjoy the status they desire. No I am not Hungarian,
I am also not
Romanian, I was merely born there. My ethnic roots go back many thousands of y
ears.
God be with you
IW
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+ - | Re: Mr Bland Glands (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
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|
In article >,
Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>In article >,
> > wrote:
>>Brigitta Bali wrote to Gabor (her true love):
>>>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>By the way, Brigi, don't put down the dictionary yet. The underlined word is
>misspelled. But it's irrelevant. I thought only Wally was spelling challanged!
Oh, Gyuri, I would not expect too much of those mooseheads...ya know, they're
only Canadians.
Gabor
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+ - | Re: Strength in diversity [was: Transilvania was,is an (mind) |
VÁLASZ |
Feladó: (cikkei)
|
In article >, (George
Szaszvari) wrote:
> In article >,
(T.M.Lutas) says:
> >Absolutely horrible!!! Why would we ever want a unitarian state in Europe
> >especially when the people in charge of the EU have such a consistently
> >dreadful history of being big government types. I wouldn't like to trade
> >Moscow for Brussels as overlord.
>
> Of course not under the current system as it stands! Do away with national
> borders and let people get on with their own lives, but not in the way it
> is done now, with national interests vying with each other. The EC has done
> a lot of good and has also made mistakes. Mainly, it's too bureaucratic,
> syphoning off funds into black holes. Without national boundaries and a
> streamlined bureaucracy the better points of the EC will become evident.
It's the remains of the national borders that are holding back the
EC bureaucracy from sprawling even further! Romania has enough bureaucracy
as well as the rest of the individual European countries. What is needed is
the streamlining first then alliance in furtherance of common interests.
And if they call that alliance of sovereign states the EU than I'm all for
it.
> Another important point is to have a single European language besides one's
> own indigenous language. Surely you agree that unifying the linguistic
> aspect of a Unified Europe would solve a lot of problems? (as you keep
> insisting should happen in Romania.) This doesn't mean do away with local
> languages, rather encourage them, but alongside a European (if not global)
> standard of communication (French, Esperanto, English. whatever might be
> considered most suitable.)
Esperanto's a dead letter. As for linguistic dominance I think that English
is likely to win out due to its dominance in many technical fields. However
we seem to disagree on the need or even the desireability of having one
European state. I think that things might drift that way in a few hundred
years or so but national traditions are stubborn things. There is a lot
of violence and warfare waiting to happen if such cultural sensistivities
are not given space. This is why I don't advocate constitutional amendments
to take away the special protections that ethnic minorities do have. I don't
have any confidence in the EU to do that any better than they do most other
things (which is not very good). A confederation is the most that can be
achieved in terms of eliminating barriers.
>BTW Are you really equating the EC with Soviet
> rule in Eastern Europe? If so, then that's absurd! Stand for another period
> in corner with funny hat on.
Empire building is empire building. It is this that I object to not the
enlightenment of a particular despot we are saddled with.
> >> >So, since I'm not so enthused by this "oneness
> >> >of identity" either, what's your beef?
> >>
> >> Keep your hair on, and sorry if it seemed like I implied that you were a
> >> Nazi; I'm just trying to say how dangerously close one can come to such
> >> ideologies when looking to put the responsibility in someone else's lap
> [snip]
> >
> >And calling your opponent a totalitarian or even hinting it was also a
> >Nazi trick. They were good at that sort of thing weren't they.
>
> Don't be silly. It's still bugging you, huh? Do I need to repeat the above
> paragraph? Are you trying to say that I'm a Nazi now, or what?
In your backhanded 'apology' you went from calling me a Nazi to calling me
a proto-Nazi, one who is comes "dangerously close" "to such ideologies". So
I should feel grateful? Let's just let this section drop.
> >In one of these postings I laid out the core of such an agenda. At least
> >the final goals. Where would you like to take the discussion from here?
>
> Please specify your agenda (apart from everyone in Romania needing to
> speak Romanian, which is not an issue with me so long as other languages
> and cultures are not repressed at the same time.)
OK here it is again. Can we agree on this?
To bring about not only a political and economic but also a cultural
renaissance that will lead to a strong, united Romania that does not need
to fear any of its neighbors and is an example to the world of how good
a small country can be.
DB
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VÁLASZ |
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|
In article >, (George
Szaszvari) wrote:
> In article >,
(T.M.Lutas) says:
> >Or should they make ethnic exceptions? I am interested in hearing how you
> >would advocate Romanian language instruction in a natural, positive way.
>
> As you've said yourself, ethnics should learn the modicum of the predominant
> language to sufficiently get by. If it isn't rammed down peoples' throats
> it won't be resented. It has a lot to do with how it's done (peculiar to
> every unique situation) and most importantly, the attitude of the authority
> presenting a community with such an obligation/choice. The less it seems l
> ike an obligation enforced by a domineering overlord intent on replacing an
> indigenous long-standing inheritance (taking their soul, if you will) the
> more likely it is to be accepted and enjoyed as something enriching, useful,
> to be shared and all the rest.
So far I don't see a problem. I'm not so sure about the accepted and
enjoyed part but what Romanians should do sounds reasonable. It's something
similar to what I believe them to be doing now to such great ethnic protest.
> Can that be done if the authority makes it
> clear that people must learn a language to kill off any irredentist paranoia
> that authority might have? Hardly! It's going to cause resentment. The way
> to do it is to put oneself in the place of the person/people one wishes to
> persuade (in this case, to learn Romanian.) Understand THEIR mind. Applaud
> and support the Hungarian language/cultural inheritance, be positive about
> that person's/people's assets, make them feel good about it and let tham
> know that YOU feel good about it, too. Encourage them! Show them the
> positive similarities and binding points between both your positive aspects
> and you will naturally come together in harmony. Then people will WANT to
> learn Romanian and be part of that positive feeling. Some people reading
> this will think it's some kind of arrogant mystical claptrap, but I assure
> you that it works for me and the people who taught me this approach. The
> trick is to actively replace the negative with the positive. Having said all
> that, it can, of course, be easier to talk about than actually implement,
> but then we all have our ups and downs, even the best of us ;-)
So basically the whole hungarian protest movement is about a lack of
sensitivity training??? Is *that* all you want? Well line them up and start
classes now because these authorities are not only insensitive to hungarians
but to romanians as well. It isn't about sensitivity to an ethnicity, it's
about sensitivity of the government to the people irrespective of ethnicity.
And on the need for that to get fixed I'm with you all the way.
> >What do you do with the irredentists who would rather
> >sacrifice some of their children's economic possibilities in order to keep
> >them 'pure' hungarians?
>
> You spend too much time and effort on this irredentist stuff. Any non-
> ethnic Romanian will see it as negative paranoia and obviously resent it.
I've had a few personal experiences with irredentists. Nice enough folks
but they keep insisting that I'm a Hungarian. Obviously I'm too smart,
good looking, and well kept to be a Romanian. This sort of thing is what
I encounter as a Romanian-American in New York State! It's that personal
experience that leads me to at least credit the possibility of some of the
things that I've heard stories about irredentists in Transylvania.
All in all, Hungarians are OK folks. My father has told me many times that
hungarians are the best people in the world as long as you don't start
talking about Transylvania. I haven't found him to be far wrong.
DB
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In article >,
> wrote:
>Brigitta Bali wrote to Gabor (her true love):
>>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
^^^^^^^^^^
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You are Mr Bland Gland.
>>Still playing the role of the chauvinist octopus, Mr Bland Gland are we?
>YOUR opinion Mr Bland Gland -- also irrelevent.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Try a real university library Mr Bland Gland.
>>I don't care Mr Bland Gland.
>Gosh! It could not get any better than this!
>I am rolling on the floor ...
>Bland Gland??? This one deserves the Oscar!
Yup, in the Most Repeated Stupidity category.
By the way, Brigi, don't put down the dictionary yet. The underlined word is
misspelled. But it's irrelevant. I thought only Wally was spelling challanged!
NOT! (some poets)
Regards,
GK
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Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>
>In article >,
>Gyorgy Kovacs > wrote:
>>In article >,
>> > wrote:
>>>Brigitta Bali wrote to Gabor (her true love):
>>>>Your health is irrelevent. Faludy George is healthy.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>By the way, Brigi, don't put down the dictionary yet. The underlined word is
>>misspelled. But it's irrelevant. I thought only Wally was spelling challanged
!
>
>Oh, Gyuri, I would not expect too much of those mooseheads...ya know, they're
>only Canadians.
>
>Gabor
I don't quite agree. The only Canadians who seem to have problems are these
two. Naturaly there are more idiots over there, too, but it would be unjust to
formulate opinion on an entire nation, based on VERY few individuals. Of course
you are entitled to your opinion, but this time I can't share it completly.
Gyuri
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Valaki tudja, hogy hol lehet segitseget kerni nehany jatek
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