Teddy ) writes:
> In article >,  () sa
ys:
>>Persze en tudtam ki Mulroney, de tulajdonkepen miert utaltak annyira a
>>honfitarsai?  Es akkor miert volt PM 8 evig?
>>Annyira ostoba azert nem lehetett, ha angol anyanyelvu letere olyan jol
>>tudott franciaul. ;-)
>>Jozsi
> 
> Kedves Jozsi!
> Mert o tette veglegesen tonkre Kanadat. Pl az o hazugsaga
> fedezte a GST bevezeteset. (Ez egy 7%-os forgalmi ado.)
> 
> Jol tudott franciaul, mert Te is tudsz magyarul... Galamb 
> Quebeci vakolo...
> 
> Masodszori ujravalasztasa ravaszul tortent, mert a kanadaiak vegulis 
> a Free Trade-re szavaztak, abban a tevhitben, hogy olcsobb lesz minden.
> Ehelyett az amerikai cegek kikoltoztek, es behozzak termekeiket (kinabol)
> valamint az ado potlasara jott a Goods and Service Tax, amit Galamb 9%-ra
> tervezett, de szerencsere csak 7 lett belole.
> 
> 9 ev kellett, hogy a masodik szavazasra a kanadaiak ugy kibuktassak 
> oket, hogy ket kepviselojuk maradt. De ez jelentektelen, mert itt
> 3-4 szocialista part kozul valaszthatsz ugyis.
> 
> Udv Teddy

Mulroney was also a victim of the general asshole-ism of the Canadian
population. One of the things he had right were the constitutional
proposals that would have brought Quebec into the constitutional fold. He
was correcting the fatal flaw of Trudeau's "repatriation" of the
constitution, and that flaw was a peculiar USAmerican value and forsaking
the British common law flexibilities. Pity. Irving Layton was right when
he wrote in his poem, "Shine On Glorious Republic" (referring to the USA)
that they (USA) deserved "grander neighbours than assholes covered in ten
gallon hats."

In article >  () write
s:
>From:  ()
>Subject: Re: Mindent (avagy majdnem) a felújított Web-oldalomon!
>Date: 28 Dec 1996 04:55:57 GMT

>George Kovacs > wrote:
>>
>>Nyertel.
>>In Eternum.

>Latom, a regi ministransok felismerik egymast. ;-)

>BUEK!

>Jozsi
Legalabbis a latinul tanulo'k!   :->
Neked is BUE'K!
GK

Name one (1) country with a racist-free history:

1.











Steve Kiely
http://www.magna.com.au/~c41

Peter k Chong wrote:
> 
> For the record, I'm going to show once more the original posting that
> started this whole bloody debate... (I started it :-) )

BTW, I noticed your original posting, and for the record, there are several 
unclear points in it. In many cases I do not see any connection in your word 
comparison, but here I point out just obvious points:


 
> Sumerian:       zag 332,43 (flatland, field)
> Finnish:        s„vel (flat)
> Hungarian:      sĄks g (plateau)
> Turkish:        sahra- (steppe, land, plateau)

As far as I know, "sävel" is not "flat", it's a note or tone. "Flat" in Finnish
 
is "tasainen" or "laakea". Now, if you still find a connection, you're quite 
good ( or very willing to find those "similarities").

  
> Sumerian:       kud 12,19 (city, hamlet)
> Finnish:        kotia (hut)
> Hungarian:      kunyh˘ (")
> Old Turkish:    qadas^ (relative, relation, troop, brother)
> Mongol:         quda (relation, troop)

A Finnish word "koti" means "home". For me it does not appear very similar to t
o 
your compairisons. But, if you repeat long enough some words and imagine that 
there's a connection, you can find that banana and oringe are really just same 
words ;-). For example, the next connection   

 
> Sumerian:       s^e 367,58d (to eat)
> Finnish:        sy”d„ (it eats)
> Hungarian:      eszik (")
> Turkish:        yemek (to eat)
> Mongol:         j^eme (wolf food)

is a mystery for me. Do you really find "syödä" and "yemek" as a same word?


 
> Sumerian:       s^ug 367,11/2 (big, be big, much)
> Finnish:        luku (lots)
> Hungarian:      sok (")
> Turkish:        ‡ok (")
> Mongol:         ‡uçla- (it enlarges sg, it increases sg)

"Luku" is not "lots". It means "a number". Hey, but is'nt that so close to 
"sok"? And when really thinking about it, it's very close to "a number" too! 8-
0 
Hmmm, interesting. :-D

 
> Sumerian:       s^eg8 551,4 (frost, ice, cold)
> Finnish:        j„„ (ice)
> Hungarian:      j‚g (")
> Turkish:        sog^ut (cold)
> Mongol:         tsang (frost)

Oh, how similar those words are! You can almost taste it!



> 
> Sumerian:       us^ 4 536,26 (mind, intellect)
> Finnish:        huja (mind)
> Hungarian:      ‚sz (")
> Turkish:        us (intelligence)
> Mongol:         ojun (")

"huja" ? A new Finnish word? 

"mind" in Finnish is "mieli". Hey, there's the connection, again!


> 
> Sumerian:       as^ 2 339,8 (to long for, to want)
> Finnish:        isota (want)
> Hungarian:      ‚hes (hungry)
> Turkish:        istemek (to want, to desire)

"isota"? Very interesting. Where do you find these words? "want" in F means 
"haluta". Is'nt that close to "hungry"? Or...

>> 
> Sumerian:       zal(ag) 393,5 (be lighted, star, to shine)
> Finnish:        ts'ilkett„ (it shines, it lights up sg)
> (dialect)
> Hungarian:      csillag (star)
> Kyrgyz Turk:    s^olpan (Morning Star, Venus)
> Mongol:         j^ilçir- (it shines)


Perhaps you can teach me this language you call Finnish?


 
> Sumerian:       zig 84,45 (to raise oneself, to get oneself up)
> Finnish:        l„hte„ (it goes away, it starts off, it escapes)
> Hungarian:      sz”kik (it escapes)
> Turkish:        ‡Ikmak (to go out, to move out, to graduate)
> Mongol:         segelj^e (go in a jumping manner)

"zig" and "lähteä"??
 
> Sumerian:       ri 86,41,74 (to fly)
> Finnish:        r„pytt„„ (it flies)
> Hungarian:      repl- (")
> Kyrgyz Turk:    erb„ng (unsupportable, cannot stand up)
> Mongol:         erbeji- (it flies)

"Räpyttää" = "flap (wings)" How close to "erbeji- (it flies) !


> 
> Sumerian:       er 50,7 (also: ir, ur) (man, manly)
> Finnish:        yrk” (husband)
> Hungarian:      Łr (sir, Mr.)
> Turkish:        er (man, male)
> Mongol:         ere (husband)


You might want to check your dictionary again. "husband" is "aviomies" in F. 
"man" = "mies".  Hmm, how similar...
 
> Sumerian:       na 97,4 (be named, call)
> Finnish:        nimi (name)
> Hungarian:      n‚v (")
> Turkish:        nam (")
> Mongol:         ner (")
> English:        name (nimi) ;-)


Happy new year,

onnellista uutta vuotta,


MHH

Charlie Vamossy:
>Actually, there are golf courses in Hungary, although not too many. 
>Perhaps your travel agent could help indentifying some.

>On a personal note, I recall visiting the golf course in the Budapest
>hills with my grandfather, who was one of its founding members.  It was
>on Szechenyi Hill, near to what is now the narrowgauge railroad
>station.

	The American ambassador to Hungary before the war was a certain Mr. Montgomery
who had such a jolly time there that when he was told by the State Department
that he might be transferred elsewhere he got very upset, especially because he
was an avid golfer and he didn't want to leave his favorite golf course in whic
h
he was also instrumental in establishing.

	Eva Balogh

For a book project on speaking internationally in various countries, I'd
like the following sentences translated into as many languages as
possible:

A greeting, eg. "Good morning/good evening, ladies and gentlemen"

A sentence like "it's a pleasure to be here in... / I'm delighted to be
here in..."

Every answer is appreciated!

Thank you very much

Christian

-- 
Christian Ter-Nedden, Zurich                      

On 24 Dec 1996 15:39:32 GMT, (Charles M. Vamossy)
wrote:

> In >  (Alexander
> N. Bossy) writes:

> > When I first joined the Transylvania threads, I was struck by the
> >fact that Hungarians and Romanians of obviously good will had
> >dramatically different versions of our common history.  It was clear
> >from the tone of many of the posts that the author was trying to reach
> >out and accomodate the other side.  However, unintentionally, they
> >succeded in raising the hackels of the other side.  By talking these
> >issues through, and by dealing with the underlying historical
> >tensions, accepting that neither side was perfect, learning what
> >parts of the past cause the most concern today, and trying to minimize
> >that concern we can, and I think that we have, been building the
> >framework for Hungarian-Romanian reconciliation.
> >
> 
> I do agree with you, Alexander, about the need to reconcile and resolve
> our different views of our common history.  I just caution against
> neglecting the present and the future, which is our to mold, regardless
> of history.

I certainly agree with you on this.  The whole point of resolving
historical conflicts (or at least ameliorating them) is in order to
build a better future.

> Too many times, especially here on the internet, positions
> become polarized, views become extreme, and those who have a more
> tolerant view, become silent.

My own feeling is that this has become much common than a few years
ago, when there were more posts telling people of the "wrong" ethnic
background to stay in their own newsgroup.  That kind of knee-jerk
hostility has more or less vanished by now, and certainly doesn't have
any real support on either s.c.m. or s.c.r.  Even if we interprate
this as a movement from overt hostility to reluctant, but mutual,
toleration, I think that it's a step forward.  And, I think that
mutual acceptance has gone a lot farther, now that both sides have 
seen that their worst fears about what the other side might do have
been proven wrong. :-)
 
> >Certainly, those of us on the usenet are disproportionately young,
> >educated and in the respective diasporas, however our views can (and
> >I'm certain are) perculating down into the other strata of society.
> >
> 
> You are too kind for assuming I am disproportionately young :)).  I AM
> young at heart, however!!!

You'd know better than me, but it's one's outlook that is most
important!

> Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas,

And a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too,

Alexander

In article >, aheringer > wrote:
>
>Gyurika, tudom, hogy az USA-ban nem sokat tudnak a nagy eszaki 
>szomszedrol, de Brian Mulroney vagy 8 evig volt a kozutalatnak orvendo 
>prime miniszterunk.

Agnes:
Persze en tudtam ki Mulroney, de tulajdonkepen miert utaltak annyira a
honfitarsai?  Es akkor miert volt PM 8 evig?
Annyira ostoba azert nem lehetett, ha angol anyanyelvu letere olyan jol
tudott franciaul. ;-)

Jozsi

 wrote:
> 
> Nagyban keszulodtem hallgatni a Kossuth Radio szilveszteri musorat az
> ejfeli himnusszal a RealAudios kozvetites jovoltabol, s erre mit ad a
> jo szerencse?  A Kossuth egyik RA szervere sem mukodik!  De meg a
> Petofie sem.  Thanks a lot!  Mas is volt ebben a helyzetben?

En halgattam mind kettot. Petofi jol hangzott, de a Kossuth eleg
zavaros volt.

Peter Aradi
Tulsa, OK

Jonah Andrianarivo > wrote:

>Steve Kiely wrote:
>> 
>> Name one (1) country with a racist-free history:
>> 
>> 1.   N O N E    because each country is created to preserve                 
 the integrity of a race.
>
>                  Is that racist ? 
>
>
>Jonah Andrianarivo

I do not agree : in western Europe, France, Germany and Italy were not
created to preserve the integrity of a race, but were build upon
people speaking the same language (which doesn't mean there was no
racism of course)

Nagyban keszulodtem hallgatni a Kossuth Radio szilveszteri musorat az
ejfeli himnusszal a RealAudios kozvetites jovoltabol, s erre mit ad a
jo szerencse?  A Kossuth egyik RA szervere sem mukodik!  De meg a
Petofie sem.  Thanks a lot!  Mas is volt ebben a helyzetben?

Pannon J.

In article >, aheringer > wrote:
>
>I guess, in any Hungarian history book.  He was called "a haza bolcse" - 
>"the wise man of the nation".  He was the architect of the final truce, 
>the "kiegyezes" in 1986 between Austria and Hungary that lead to the 
>Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, a golden, prosperous era which lasted to the 
>end of WWI.

Let's make that 1986 to 1867, OK? ;-)
Poor Deak!  He didn't know that with te compromise he gave a "weapon" to
the "historians" of successor states later.  They can now say that 
independent Hungary was also born at Trianon and that Transylvania did 
not belong to Hungary, but to the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy which 
disappeared in 1918.

Joe

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In a way, it really depends on whose side your on... If you're a "clumper"-
type linguist, (i.e. a linguist who prefers to group languages into large 
super-families) then Turkish is related to Finnish by way of the Ural-Altaic 
or Turanian hypothesis/relationship. If you're a "splitter"-type linguist, 
(one who prefers to make many subdivisions within a language family - 
emphasizing the difference of one language to another) then Turkish belongs 
to the Altaic family while Finnish belongs to the unrelated Uralic family. 

The arguments for the "Ural-Altaic" relationship include:
1) Almost all Uralic and Altaic languages have vocal harmony. 
2) The U-A languages are agglutinative - they pin suffixes at the end of 
words to express various grammatical and stylistic nuances.
3) They employ postpositions rather than prepositions.
4) U-A languages do not have a seperate verb "to have".
5) U-A languages do not tend towards consonant clusters.
6) There are many lexical and grammatical correspondances.

The Ural-Altaic theory would include both the Uralic and Altaic language 
families. Some Uralic tongues include: Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, Mari,
Mordvin, Lappish, Karelian, Khanty, Udmurt, Komi, Nenets, Nganasan and 
Sholqup. Some Altaic tongues include: Turkish, Khalkha Mongolian, Kalmuk
Mongolian, Burjat Mongolian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Yakut (Sakha), Tuvinian,
Tatar, Bashqort, Uigur, Manchu, Ewen, Ewenk, Salar, Sibo, Udegey and 
Azerbaijani. Some linguists also believe Korean is Altaic and a few even
believe Japanese is Altaic. (It is my belief, that not only there is an Ural-
Altaic or Turanian unity but that the Sumerian language of antiquity [the
inventors of writing ~ 4000 - 2000 BC] is the common root to all modern U-A
languages.)

The biggest argument against this U-A unity is:
1) Many linguists do not consider such features as agglutination and vowel
harmony as proof of a relationship. Moreover, the lexical and grammatical
similarities could be the result of long contact between the Uralic and Altaic
peoples rather than a common origin. (Author's note: This is possible but 
should not be considered definite.)

Before circa 1950, most linguists believed in a Turanian or U-A linguistic
relationship. However after that time, it was assailed by linguists as a
tenuous theory and that it would be better to consider the Uralic and Altaic
families as seperate. In some cases as in Hungary, this was done for 
political reasons (the predominating belief among the Hungarian fascists and
conservatives of WWII was that the Hungarians represented the westernmost 
branch of a Turanian people. A people that could be found from Europe all the
way to Japan - another member of the Axis powers. Thus it was a favoured  
theory of the nationalists and fascists. While no doubt these supporters  
evoke scorn and hatred among many liberal and leftist people today, the 
theory itself isn't completely wrong.)

If you're still interested check out this WWW page:
HTTP://EXO.COM/~FREDH/LANGUAGE.HTM. 

Some Sumerian morphemes and modern U-A words.

(Source: Cso"ke, S ndor, "Sum‚r-finn-mongol-t”r”k ”sszehasonlĄt˘ nyelvtan", 
Buenos Aires: Magyar O"skutat s Kiad sa, 1974. - Sumerian-Finnish-Mongolian-
Turkish Comparative Grammar)

Sumerian:       bur 411,104 (to drill, to riddle with holes)
Finnish:        porata (it drills)       
Hungarian:      fŁr (")
Turkish:        burgu (drill - noun)
Kalmuk Mongol:  burçu (")

Sumerian:       bar 74, 68/302 (family, village)
Finnish:        perhe (family)
Hungarian:      v ros (city)
Old Turkish:    balIq (")
Mongol:         balgasun (city, village)

Sumerian:       bur3 411,32 (livestock, four-legged animal, cow)
Finnish:        poro (reindeer)
Hungarian:      borjŁ (livestock)
Osmanli Turk:   buzaçI (two year-old livestock) 
Buriat Mongol:  bur– (livestock)

Sumerian:       bad 69,100 (to fall apart, to be fallen)
Finnish:        potea (it breaks apart)
Hungarian:      sz‚tpattan (" - "sz‚t-" is a prefix meaning "apart". "pattan"
                            is the root meaning "break".)
Turkish:        patlamak (to burst)
Mongol:         butal- (it falls apart)

Sumerian:       bad 152 8,4 (wall, stuffing)
Finnish:        pato (stuffing)
Hungarian:      fal (wall)
Kyrgyz Turk:    bit„ (it closes away - pertaining to arrows?)
Mongol:         biteç (closed away)

Sumerian:       gab 167,55/57a (to grasp, to get, to catch)
Finnish:        kaapata (it gets, it catches)
Hungarian:      kap (")
Turkish:        kap (pot - recepticle, something that catches)
Mongol:         qabla- (it catches, it finds)

Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
Finnish:        appi (father-in-law)
Hungarian:      apa (father)
Turkish:        aba (")
Mongol:         aav (")

Sumerian:       s^ub 68,9 (to flatten)
Finnish:        lappea (page)
Hungarian:      lap (")
Sakha Turk:     s„bird„x (page, leaf)
Kalmuk Mongol:  napts^i (leaf)

Sumerian:       gab 167,56 (copy, picture, duplicate)
Finnish:        kuva (picture)
Hungarian:      k‚p (")
Turkish:        k„p (")
Mongol:         keb (example, as in...)

Sumerian:       gib-i/=gig/446,3/4 (be sick, pain, illness)
Finnish:        kipe„ (sick)
Hungarian:      meggebed (it is sick - "meg-" is a prefix)
Turkish:        gebermek (to pass away)
Manchu:         gebsere- (be sour)
                 
Sumerian:       gir11 152,19 (to stretch)
Finnish:        kire„ (tight)
Hungarian:      g”rcs (spasm)
Turkish:        germek (to tighten)
Mongol:         kere- (it binds up, it tightens)

Sumerian:       sig 592, 10ff (tight, narrow)
Finnish:        tiukka (tight)
Hungarian:      szu"k (")
Turkish:        sIkI (")
Mongol:         siqam (tight, pressed together)

Sumerian:       gig 456,43 (hatred, to hate)
Finnish:        kiukka (hatred)
Hungarian:      gyu"l”l (it hates)
Old Turkish:    k„k (")
Mongol:         j^igs^i (")

Sumerian:       s^ag5 356,5/7 (be healthy, good, goodness, nice)
Finnish:        hyv„ (good)
Hungarian:      j˘ (")
Turkish:        sag^ (healthy)
Bashqort Turk:  hau (")
Mongol:         sajin (good)

Sumerian:       sig7 351,6 (to live, to sit)
Finnish:        sija (dwelling, place)
Hungarian:      sz‚k (chair)
Turkish:        sakIn (inhabitant)
Mongol:         sagu- (it sits, it dwells)

Sumerian:       gis^ 296,10 (man, master, sir, gentleman)
Finnish:        is„nta (sir, landlord)
Hungarian:      gazda (landowner?)
Old Turkish:    iy„ (gentleman)
Mongol:         ej^en (sir, ruler)

Sumerian:       gal2 80,3 (to be)
Finnish:        olla (to be)
Hungarian:      val- (it is - old form)
Turkish:        ol- (it is, it will be, it happens)
Mongol:         bol- (it is, it will be, possible)

Sumerian:       gur4 483,23 (to run, to flee)
Finnish:        kiire (rushing, hurrying)
Hungarian:      gyors (quick)
Turkish:        kuriye (fast movement?)
Mongol:         qurdun (fast)

Sumerian:       zag 332,43 (flatland, field)
Finnish:        s„vel (flat)
Hungarian:      sĄks g (plateau)
Turkish:        sahra- (steppe, land, plateau)

Sumerian:       dug3 396,10/11 (good, healthy, optimal)
Finnish:        t„ysi (full, perfect)
Hungarian:      t”k‚letes (complete, perfect)
Turkish:        tekmil (completion)
Mongol:         t”gs (")

Sumerian:       dah 169,3/10 (one follows, by someone)
Finnish:        l„het„ (it follows, it comes together)
Hungarian:      t rs (member, partner)
Sakha Turk:     doçor (")
Mongol:         daga- (it follows, it goes together)

Sumerian:       kud 12,19 (city, hamlet)
Finnish:        kotia (hut)
Hungarian:      kunyh˘ (")
Old Turkish:    qadas^ (relative, relation, troop, brother)
Mongol:         quda (relation, troop)

Sumerian:       kad4 (to bind)
Finnish:        kytke„ (it binds up, it weaves)
Hungarian:      k”tni (to bind)
Turkish:        kat- (weave)
Mongol:         qadamar (strenghtened)

Sumerian:       bad3 152^8,7 (deathly ill, sickly)
Finnish:        potea (become sick)
Hungarian:      beteg (sick)
Old Turkish:    bed- (it weakens)
Mongol:         betege ("dagantot okoz˘ betegs‚g" - My Hungarian isn't very 
                         good but I know it has something to do with illness)

Sumerian:       pa 295,11 (summit, peak)
Finnish:        p„„ (head)
Hungarian:      fej (")
Turkish:        bas, (")
Ancient Mongol: pekin (")

Sumerian:       bu 371,25 (to blow)
Finnish:        puhaltaa (it blows)
Hungarian:      fŁj (")
Turkish:        pfle- (")
Ancient Mongol: pligˆ (")

Sumerian:       zub 60^x,4 (to flow, rain)
Finnish:        tippua (it drops)
Hungarian:      csepeg (")
Uigur Turk:     c^ip-c^ip (onomatopaeia of dripping water - "drip-drip")
Mongol:         sibeni- (it drops, it flows)

Sumerian:       ki 461,21 (who)
Finnish:        kuka (")
Hungarian:      ki (")
Turkish:        ki (")
Mongol:         khen (")

Sumerian:       kur2 60,34 (circle)
Finnish:        keri (")
Hungarian:      k”r (")
Turkish:        kresel (spherical)
Mongol:         krd (circle)

Sumerian:       kas^ 211a,2 (urine)
Finnish:        kusi (")
Hungarian:      hŁgy (")
Turkish:        huysuzluk (bile)
Old Turkish:    qas^an- (be urinating)

Sumerian:       kud 536,4 (to throw, to place, to allow)
Finnish:        kadota (it loses)
Hungarian:      hagy (it allows)
Turkish:        koy- (")
Mongol:         qoj^im (afterwards, later)

Sumerian:       s^ita 233,15/442,2 (to bind)
Finnish:        sitoa (it binds, it weaves, it strenghtens)
Hungarian:      csatol (it weaves - a net)
Turkish:        ciltlemek (to bind)
Kalmuk Mongol:  s^itm (fencing)

Sumerian:       has^ 12,78 (be bending)
Finnish:        kallistaa (it bends)
Hungarian:      hajlik (")
Turkish:        kayma‡ (slant-eyed)
Mongol:         qaj^iji- (it bends, it curves)

Sumerian:       hir 401,9 (picture)
Finnish:        kirja (book)
Hungarian:      hĄr (news - ?)
Turkish:        kertik (notch, gash, score)
Mongol:         kerc^i (")

Sumerian:       has^ 12,70/73 (to cut, to split)
Finnish:        halkoa (it cuts)
Hungarian:      hasĄt (")
Turkish:        kesmek (to cut)
Mongol:         qasu- (it shortens sg, it cuts sg)

Sumerian:       uh 398,6/17 (to spew, to vomit)
Finnish:        oksentaa (it vomits)
Hungarian:      ok dik (")
Turkish:        ”ksrmek (to cough)
Mongol:         oki- (it vomits)

Sumerian:       sil(a) 12,117 (to split, to cut up)
Finnish:        s„le (splinter)
Hungarian:      szelet (slice - noun)
Teleut Turk:    s^IlI (it cuts)
Mongol:         silu- (")

Sumerian:       sig 592,10/19 (small, little)
Finnish:        hiukan (a little bit)
Hungarian:      csek‚ly (insignificant)
Turkish:        -‡ak (diminutive suffix)
Mongol:         c^”gen (a few, not much)

Sumerian:       sag2 295,100a (to strike, to hit)
Finnish:        haava (wound, injury)
Hungarian:      seb (")
Turkish:        ‡arpmak (to strike)
Mongol:         s^abda- (it wounds sg/sb,)

Sumerian:       hus 565,58 (to drive)
Finnish:        kuski (driver)
Hungarian:      kocsis (driver)
                kocsi (coach - The word "coach" is derived from the Hungarian
                       but the Hungarian word comes from the Sumerian "hus")
Osmanli Turk:   qos^u (wagon, coach)
Kalmuk Mongol:  xos^ (")
Old Japanese:   kachi (a type of vehicle for nobles)

Sumerian:       s^ag 384,118/9 (to sigh, a sigh)
Lappish:        s^uokket (a sigh)
Hungarian:      s˘hajtozik (it sighs)
Teleut Turk:    s“zI- (")
Mongol:         sugsi- (")

Sumerian:       s^ag 384,2 (word)
Finnish:        s„vel (sound, song)
Hungarian:      sz˘ (word)
Turkish:        s”v (")
Mongol:         jabsi- (it talks a lot)

Sumerian:       s^e 367,58d (to eat)
Finnish:        sy”d„ (it eats)
Hungarian:      eszik (")
Turkish:        yemek (to eat)
Mongol:         j^eme (wolf food)

Sumerian:       s^ug 367,11/2 (big, be big, much)
Finnish:        luku (lots)
Hungarian:      sok (")
Turkish:        ‡ok (")
Mongol:         ‡uçla- (it enlarges sg, it increases sg)

Sumerian:       s^eg8 551,4 (frost, ice, cold)
Finnish:        j„„ (ice)
Hungarian:      j‚g (")
Turkish:        sog^ut (cold)
Mongol:         tsang (frost)

Sumerian:       us^ 4 536,26 (mind, intellect)
Finnish:        huja (mind)
Hungarian:      ‚sz (")
Turkish:        us (intelligence)
Mongol:         ojun (")

Sumerian:       as^ 2 339,8 (to long for, to want)
Finnish:        isota (want)
Hungarian:      ‚hes (hungry)
Turkish:        istemek (to want, to desire)

Sumerian:       gis^ 296,16 (hand)
Finnish:        k„si (")
Hungarian:      k‚z (")
Turkish:        kuuvet (strength, power)
Mongol:         gesign (member, branch)

Sumerian:       zal 231,16 (also: sal, s^al) (to see) 
Finnish:        silm„ (eye)
Hungarian:      szem (")
Mongol:         silibki- (it looks at sg)

Sumerian:       zal(ag) 393,5 (be lighted, star, to shine)
Finnish:        ts'ilkett„ (it shines, it lights up sg)
(dialect)
Hungarian:      csillag (star)
Kyrgyz Turk:    s^olpan (Morning Star, Venus)
Mongol:         j^ilçir- (it shines)

Sumerian:       zir 84,108 (suffering, hurt)
Finnish:        s„rke„ (be in pain)
Hungarian:      sĄr (grave; be crying)
Turkish:        sIzI (ache, pain)
Khalkha Mongol: s^arx (wound)

Sumerian:       izi 172,11/17/13 (fire, oven, ash, to flame up)
Komi (Finnic):  ezj- (it burns)
Hungarian:      izzad (it sweats)
Kyrgyz Turk:    issyk (warm - there is a lake called the Issyk-Kul - "warm
                       lake" in Kyrgyzstan)
Mongol:         isu (ash)

Sumerian:       izi 172.159 (sour)
Finnish:        etikka (")
Hungarian:      ecet (")
Turkish:        eks,i (")
Mongol:         es- (it becomes sour)

Sumerian:       zig 84,45 (to raise oneself, to get oneself up)
Finnish:        l„hte„ (it goes away, it starts off, it escapes)
Hungarian:      sz”kik (it escapes)
Turkish:        ‡Ikmak (to go out, to move out, to graduate)
Mongol:         segelj^e (go in a jumping manner)

Sumerian:       ri 86,41,74 (to fly)
Finnish:        r„pytt„„ (it flies)
Hungarian:      repl- (")
Kyrgyz Turk:    erb„ng (unsupportable, cannot stand up)
Mongol:         erbeji- (it flies)

Sumerian:       sir3 152,3 (also: sur, s^ar) (to sing, song, to compose music)
Finnish:        sirist„„ (it chirps)
Hungarian:      csiripel (")
Turkish:        s,arkI (song)
Mongol:         j^irgi (sing a song, chirp)

Sumerian:       er 50,7 (also: ir, ur) (man, manly)
Finnish:        yrk” (husband)
Hungarian:      Łr (sir, Mr.)
Turkish:        er (man, male)
Mongol:         ere (husband)

Sumerian:       bar 74,100 (to frighten oneself, to scare)
Finnish:        pel„t„ (it fears)
Hungarian:      f‚l (")
Turkish:        perva (")
Ancient Mongol: prk (")

Sumerian:       ur2 203,7 (underground, ground)
Finnish:        ala- (lower part)
Hungarian:      alatt (under)
Turkish:        alt (bottom)
Mongol:         ala (genitals)

Sumerian:       ma 342,98b/10 (also: ma-da) (land, earth, homeland)
Finnish:        maa (land, country)
Hungarian:      megye (county, administrative district)
Uigur Turk:     budun (folk, people)
Mongol:         aymag (county, administrative district)

Maybe the name MAGYAR ("Hungarian" in the Hungarian language) came from MA or
MA-DA...

Sumerian:       ma 233,2 (to go)
Finnish:        menn„ (it goes)
Hungarian:      megy (")
Old Turkish:    man- (")

Sumerian:       ma3 233,3a (I)
Finnish:        min„ (I)
Hungarian:      -m (verbal suffix for 1st person ex. esz-ik = it eats, esz-
                em = I eat)
Turkish:        ben (I)
Mongol:         minu (mine)

Sumerian:       eme 237,2 (also: ama) (mother)
Finnish:        em„ (mother, woman, madam, she-)
Hungarian:      anya (mother), emlo" (breast)
Turkish:        ana (mother) emcik (nipple) emmek (to suck)
Mongol:         eme (mother)

Sumerian:       gam 362,6 (it bends over)
Finnish:        kumar- (it bends)
Hungarian:      kamp˘ (hook)
Turkish:        kemer (arch, vault)
Mongol:         qamar (nose - a "bent" facial feature)

Sumerian:       na 97,4 (be named, call)
Finnish:        nimi (name)
Hungarian:      n‚v (")
Turkish:        nam (")
Mongol:         ner (")

Finnish:        omen (apple)
Hungarian:      alma (")
Turkish:        elma (")
Mongol:         alim (")

Sumerian:       du3 230,19 (known, experienced, knowledge)
Finnish:        tunte- (it knows, it meets)
Hungarian:      tud- (it knows), tanul- (it studies) 
Turkish:        tanImak (to know)
Mongol:         todad- (it enlightens sg, it explains sg)

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Hi.If you know about this person please let me know. She lives in Budapest
and is about 67 years old. She went to school with my Mom Gertrude Teller.
They lost contact after the Holocaust. They went to school at DOB Street
35. PLease send responses to . Thanks!!

Sue

Could you help me in finding lids of my family.

My father's name is POLONYI AUREL BELA borned october 15 1913 in
TISZAPALKONYA.
His father POLONYI ANTAL
His mother GIBAS ANNA

Also the family of POLONYI MIHALY december 26 1923 in NAGYVARAD (Romania).

Is there a more concerned newsgroup?

english/french/ungarn  angol/franciaul/magyar

My adress  

Thanks.

Polonyi Roland

JOHN L. BERENYI wrote:
> 
> In the USA, where is the highest concentration of Hungarians.  Please
> name the city and state.  I'm very curious.
> 
> Janos Berenyi Jr.

Cleveland, Ohio

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     Hungarian electronic resources FAQ

3.      Interactive services
3.1  What's available on the World Wide Web

 The following is the chapter recently removed from the main body of
the hungarian-faq. This is not yet completely re-edited for stand-alone
format, nor completing a collection of all important links has been
attempted. For more comprehensive WWW directories see, for example:
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>;, <http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; or
<http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/homepage.html>;.
 This version 0.2 contains some aditional links not shown in 0.1,=20
see the HTML listing appended near the end of this document!

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Subject: 3. INTERACTIVE SERVICES

 If you are using Hungarian interactive services from abroad (or vice
versa): please note that interactive Internet connections like WWW
may be very slow, even timing out during peak hours - try times of
lower network load when the response time is usually reasonable.

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Subject: 3.1  What's available on the World Wide Web

 This document you are reading now is hosted at
<http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/hungarian-faq/web>;, and its directory
has a few other documents and several links to other sites of
interest.

 The Hungarian Home Page is at
<http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/homepage.html>; with links to the
registered Hungarian www servers, including

     - the Prime Minister's Office:  <http://www.meh.hu>; (overseas users
    please notice that the use of the <http://www.hungary.com/meh/>;
    mirror is requested to cut down transatlantic traffic!)

     - a weather forecast page (this is updated daily, and includes weather
    forecasts, meteorological maps, and METEOSAT satellite images; this
    page is in Hungarian)

     - home pages of Hungarian cities (currently Budapest, Debrecen,
    Miskolc, Pecs, Szeged), and of educational and other institutions=20

     - a comprehensive list of Hungarian telnet services (e.g. library=20
    databases), gopher and ftp sites (3.2). The content of almost all the=
=20
    Hungarian FTP sites is indexed and can be searched.

 The Hungary Online Directory (HUDIR) is at
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; featuring a hierarchical
database of Hungarian online content worldwide. Currently it has links
in excess of 2500.

 HIX has a WWW server in the USA: the URL is <http://www.hix.com>;.
To check out fresh content, see <http://www.hix.com/friss2/>;, which
gives you a comprehensive table of content for new material arrived in
the last 24 hours (which is typically in the order of 100-150 pages).
Besides back issues of its email journals, and a plethora of other
files in Hungarian and English, it offers an on-line English-Hungarian,
Hungarian-English dictionary (<http://www.hix.com/hix/szotar/>; - its
European mirror is at <http://tpri6l.gsi.de/szotar.html>;), and various
home pages and pointers to other sources. Partial mirrors located in
Hungary are <http://www.eunet.hu/eunet/hix/>; (for the Magyar Narancs
archive), and <http://hal9000.elte.hu/hix/>; (for some pictures, and
searching the Radir database - see below).

 Hungary.Network - The GateWWWay to Hungary at
<http://www.hungary.com/>; has a number of government, commercial and
organizational users listed.

 TourInform is at <http://www.hungary.com/tourinform/>; is the service
of the Hungarian Tourism Service, the official promotion agency of the
Hungarian Tourist Board. They offer practical information, maps,
broshures and even tours on video casette.

 The Open Media Research Institute has a WWW server, available at
<http://www.omri.cz>;.  Available at this Web site are all back issues
of the Daily Digest, tables of contents for Transition, OMRI's
bi-weekly analytical journal, and information about OMRI's activities
and staff.

 The World Wide Web server of Central Europe Today is at the URL
<http://www.eunet.cz>;.

 Find back issues of the Hungary Report on the World Wide Web at=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-report/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hol>;.=20
The Hungary-Online archive is available from=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-online/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hrep>;=20
as well.

 There is a growing Hungarian resource directory at
<http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/>;. [The same server also hosts a
 "Hungarian Electronic Resources FAQ"<http://mineral.umd.edu/faq/>;.]

 There is a"Foreign Languages for Travellers"collection of essential
Hungarian expressions with English, German and French explanation,
complete with sound at
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~mmartin/languages/hungarian/hungarian.htm=
l>.

 The American Association of Young Hungarians (AAYH) has its homepage
at <http://www.aayh.org/>;.

 A Hungarian church in Chicago has info at
 <http://users.aol.com/MikeC16958/>;.

 The Gyorgy Bessenyei Teachers Training College (Nyiregyhaza) offers=20
some 3000 pages worth of database for Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg county=20
(Eastern Hungary) as well as other goodies and general Internet help,
in both Hungarian and English: <http://www.bgytf.hu/>;.

 See also section 2.3 above, which covers
<http://www.siliconvalley.com/>; and refers to other links as well.

 The following is a somewhat random working list, in HTML format,
of webpages of interest recently announced (which I haven't yet had
the time to check out or incorporate with further description):

<A HREF=3D"http://www.fsz.bme.hu/wn/">
 "What's new in Hungary?" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://users.deltanet.com/~kingavp/">
 "KINGA'S COOL HUNGARIAN LINKS" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/index.html">
 "Historical Text Archive, Hungarian Images and Historical Background"> =09=
</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/kfa4kuvasz/index.htm">
 "Kuvasz Fanciers of America" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mkogy.hu/">
 "Magyar Orsz=E1ggy=FBl=E9si Hivatal" =09</A> <P>

<A HREF=3D"http://www.nepszabadsag.hu/">
 "Nepszabadsag Online"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/szignum">
 "Szignum Media Hirlevel"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/clients/bohemelet/">
 "Bohemelet"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.hdsys.hu/">
 "Az Apple Computer Magyarorszagon"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://silicon.terra.vein.hu/sci/intro.html">
 "Utilapu Halozat - SCI Hungary"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/napi/">
 "Napi Gazdasag On-Line"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mhirlap.hu/">
 "Magyar Hirlap Ottlap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/otherside">
 "Other Side Magazin"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.bdtf.hu/konyvtar/sup/sup.html">
 "A Savaria University Press Alapitvany honlapja"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://lingua.arts.klte.hu/summer/summer.htm">
 "Debrecen Summer School"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.eunet.hu/median/ifered.html">
 "Az elso magyar online internet-felmeres eredmenyei"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/jozsefattila">
 "Jozsef Attila"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/remindme">
 "RemindMe"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/nevnap/">
 "Nevnap Emlekezteto"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/nameday/">
 "Nameday Reminder"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/primpress">
 "Ujsag"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/artnet/beauty/index">
 "Virtualis Vilagszepe Valasztas 1996"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/fmon/valuta/index.html">
 "Valuta arfolyamok"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/fmon/commod/batmenu.html">
 "Budapesti Arutozsde napi statisztika"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.idg.hu/expo">
 "Internet Expo Hungarian Pavilion"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.idg.hu/internetto/friss/netinform/">
 "iNteRNeTTo, Budapest"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.kossuth.enet.hu/">
 "Kossuth Radio"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://year1100.iif.hu/">
 "Millecentenariumi rendezvenyek programfuzete"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/szfold/szfold.htm">
 "Szabad Fold hetilap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.sch.bme.hu/~steve/e-mail.html">
 "Kapcsolattartas e-mail utjan az Interneten"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.starkingnet.hu/bcc/internet_piac/">
 "interNET PIAC"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/bpweek">
 "Budapest Week"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.spiderweb.hu/jurix/jurix.html">
 "Jurix jogszabalygyujtemeny a halon"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.iqsoft.hu/pages/h_hmj.html">
 "HMJ - Magyar Gazdasagi Jogszabalyok Haromnyelvu gyujtemenye"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.inf.bme.hu/esatt_indis/docs_hu/rtdhun/hmj_e.html">
 "HMJ - Hungarian Economic Rules of Law"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.tiszanet.hu/mszp/">
 "MSZP Szeged"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.htbt.hu/">
 "H.T.BT. Honlap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mav.hu/">
 "A MAV Rt. www szervere"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mav.hu/">
 "Hungarian State Railways Co."=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mek.iif.hu/">
 "Magyar Elektronikus Konyvtar (Web felulettel)"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.uni-miskolc.hu:8080/SZOTAR">
 "Angol-magyar, magyar-angol szotar"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.ikm.hu/">
 "Ipari, Kereskedelmi es Idegenforgalmi Miniszterium"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.bankonekt.hu/translat/mfe.htm">
 "Magyarorszagi Forditoirodak Egyesulete"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.bankonekt.hu/translat/mfe.htm">
 "Association of Hungarian Translation Companies"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.InterWare.hu/">
 "Szolgaltatasok az InterWare-nel"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.InterWare.hu/index.us.html">
 "Services at InterWare"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/emiquint/">
 "EMI Quint"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://emc.elte.hu/~ve/index.html">
 "Vilagegyetem - Egyetemistak es foiskolasok ketheti lapja"=09</A> <P>

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