Roman Kanala  > wrote:
>
>The case of South TIrolia has been frequently quoted by Meciar II in
>the early days when it still wasn't clear what his agenda was. It's
>an example that the collective rights might lead to a creation of a 
>ghetto and ethnic stratification, an evolution from a spectre to a
>dichotomy. Short, exactly the opposite what would be in interest of
>Slovakia given its history, settlement pattern and common cultural 
>heritage of the two nations.

You know what's wrong with this?  That the majority wants to tell the
minority what's good for them.  I suggest it's the Tyroleans themselves
who should decide what's good for them, not the outsiders.  Judging from
the peace there since the current arrangement, they must like it.
It's only natural that most people want a place where they feel like at
home among their own kind.  Especially in this atomized, alianated
world.

Joe

Kristaps Licis wrote:
> 
> Antonio wrote:
> > LENIN WILL BE RE-ERECTED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE GREAT DOMAIN OF THE NEW
> 
> Well, erection is something that will never threaten Lenin again and maybe ne
ver did...
> 
>         For those speaking Russian:
> 
> Erektsija Leninu bolshe ne grozit, mozhet bit  i nikogda ni grozila!
> 
> Regards,
> Kristaps

Lenin got an erection? I thought he was dead? Talk about a bone(r)... WOW!
-- 
Eschew Obfuscation.

In article > Zoli
Fekete,  writes:
>A visszaemlekezesed a csurkai "apak es fiuk" kampanyra korulbelul 
>annyira pontos, mint a Forum tortenelemirasod...

Szerintem te nemlexel rendesen vissza, Zoltan. Eloszor
arrol, hogy a Csurkanak ilyen a szarmazasa pont azidotajt
olvastam, amikor a teveben bejelentette (a'szem a Biro),
hogy a MDF mozgalombol partta alakul. Ez pedig igen regen
volt, hol voltak akkor meg az 'Apak es fiuk'...

Tamas

 (Antonio) wrote:

>MY FRIENDS, IN ONLY A SHORT WHILE NOW A NEW SOVIET UNION WILL BE CREATED.
>ALL THE PUNK SATELLITE STATES THAT THOUGHT THEY COULD "GO IT ALONE" WILL 
>BE RE-ABSORBED, AND THE RED BANNER OF REVOLUTION WILL FLY HIGH AGAIN.

>THE HAMMER AND SICKLE WILL AGAIN REIGN OVER ALL THE REPUBLICS, STATUES OF
>LENIN WILL BE RE-ERECTED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE GREAT DOMAIN OF THE NEW
>UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS AND THE NEW WARSAW PACT.

>GENNADY ZYUGANOV WILL RULE A NEW POLITBURO.  ALL OVER THE EARTH, PEOPLE WILL
>AGAIN TREMBLE WHEN THE MISSILES, TANKS, AND TROOPS ARE MARCHED THROUGH RED
>SQUARE. 

>ONCE AGAIN, THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD WILL UNITE -- THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE
>BUT THEIR CHAINS!!!

>LONG LIVE THE NEW SOVIET UNION! 
Poor brain damaged bastard...
Several hours in the bread or sausage line with couple of sheets of
food talons  held in one sweated fist and passport with police
registration ( local, local.., eligible to buy piece of fucking
cartboard kielbasa in this store ) in the other would've fixed him. No
further treatment would have been needed for such a serious case
Oleg Povetko, who spent half of his life in lines. 


NE STOJ POD GRUZOM I STRELOJ...RABOTAJ.

Jose Daniel Clarke wrote:

>In article , Misha says...
>>
>>	Dear Antonio!
>>
>>I suspect you are living not in Northern Corea, but somewhere in the West.
>>So why don`t you move there? You can try a taste of proletarian solidarity.
>>As for me - I had enouph of that kind of fun in my life.
>>
>>		ROT FRONT,
>>				Misha Charaev,
>>Moscow

>Communism hasn't failed. STALINISM failed. Communism is a democratic rule of t
he 
>proletariat. To say that the USSR was communist is a lie.  Cuba, North Korea, 
nor 
>China are communist either. They are all Stalinist societies, with 1 person th
at says
>what should be done. Does that sounds like Marx's teachings? I don't think so.
 

>------------------------------------------------------
>Jose Daniel Clarke

>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3322

Dear Jose Daniel!

  You got a very good advise from Moscow ( I would've added Sunny
Turkmenistan and personally Turkmen-bashi Sapparmurat Niyazov to the
list )
   Experiment is almost over. It's been a pretty good one ( for those
who managed to escape ). But you still can make it to participate.
People like you tried quite wide variety of methods operating with
human herds, human material trying to make them happy forever. Somehow
nobody wanted to be happy in the herd and happily chew his (or her )
ration. Somehow, always and everywhere, from the Arctic Ocean coast to
the tropics it turned out to be fucking mess and nothing else. BTW,
being a proletariat I democratically elected all bosses in my company
including the president. One more bullshit for poor bastards.
Hello to Turkmen-bashi if you are able to make it Oleg Povetko  


NE STOJ POD GRUZOM I STRELOJ...RABOTAJ.

 (Antonio) wrote:

>ONCE WE ARE IN POWER, THE ENTIRE 'NET' WILL BE USED ONLY FOR REVOLUTIONARY
>PURPOSES

Defination #2 of revolution:
	The overthrow of one government and its replacement with another. *

Let me see if I understand correctly.  Once you are in power (HIGHLY unlikely),
 won't the
people who oppose *you* be the Revolutionaries? You will allow them to use the 
net, but
you won't use it? You will allow them to communicate freely? I don't know where
 you live,
but if you were living in a Socialist state you probably wouldn't have Internet
 access.
Perhaps people don't take you seriously because you don't make sense. It's nice
, clear
thinking like this that brought about the collapse of the Soviet Union. I wish 
more
Socialists thought this way!

--------
* The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copy
right ©
1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft Int
ernational,
Inc. All rights reserved.

Copied from Microsoft Bookshelf 96.


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Paul Gibson


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"It's perverted to rig an aerodynamic bird like this to fly like an anvil."

TV Show "JAG", May 1, 1996--Comment about a jet modified to 
allow astronauts to practice Space Shuttle Landings

For students intending to visit Hungary for the summer, it might be
interesting to give a voluntary hand to some NGO's involved with the Rom.

There are many Rom organizations which need help. The Human Rights Project
(HRP) in Bulgaria, is an NGO which documents human rights abuses against
Roma and provides free legal services to Roma to combat discrimination,
police brutality, etc. Graduate students can operate mostly in English.
Human Rights Project
13 Uzundjovska St, 
2nd floor, 
Sofia 1000, Bulgaria. 
Fax 359-2-87-55-77; 
email:  The director is Dimitur Georgiev.

The founding director of the HRP, Dimitrina Petrova, has recently been
named director of a Soros-funded East European foundation, the 
Roma Legal Resourse Center, 
Nador U.11, 
4th fl, 
room 401, 
1051-Budapest, Hungary; 
fax 36-1-327-3103. 
Email:  
They could probably use unpaid help.


-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

In article > George Jalsovszky,
 writes:
>Barath Etele (MSzP) nyilatkozza 1996. majus 11-en a Magyar Nemzetnek:
>"Sokfelol tamadtak, amikor hat-hetmilliard dollar mukodotoke bearamlasat
>jeleztem elore. ... akkor euforia uralkodott a nemzetkozi gazdasagban. Megis
>azok a nagy szervezetek, amelyek az expohoz kapcsolodva megjelentek,
>elobb-utobb a gazdasag mas szferajaban is mukodni kezdtek."

Josolni barki barmit tud. Viszont bankgaranciaval megtamogatott
-tehat hiheto -befektetesi szandeknyilatkozat kevesebb mind 5
milliard Ft (forint nem dollar) tokerol jott ossze, amikor az EXPO tok-
kal vonoval 100 miliardfolotti osszegbe  kerult volna.

>>3. A Becsiek miert nem akartak expozni helyettunk? 

A becsiek azert mondtak nemet ra, mert a cocilizmus osszedolese
utan mar nem volt meg a kozos EXPO-ban az az extra vonzero, ami-
re komolyan epiteni lehetett volna, amely tudatositotta volna a vi-
lagban Becs kiemelt gazdasagi, geopolitikai poziciojat a ket vilag-
rendszer kozott. Egy mezei expova degradalodott igy szamukra, csak
a gazdasagi kockazat maradt meg.

>Pontosan az expo-hoz kapcsolodoan ujitottak fel a Bp.-Becs vasutvonalat, es
>nyilt meg az M1-es autopalya teljes hosszaban. Ha mar valami rohejes, az az,
>hogy ennek az autopalyanak az utoljara megepult 45 km-es szakaszan 900 Ft
>hasznalati dijat (vagy lehet, hogy mar tobbet is...) kell fizetni (na, nem
>egy evre, hanem egyetlen alkalomra).

En egy gazdasagi lapban ugy olvastam, hogy ez az autopalyaszakasz tobb
mint 200 millio dollarba kerult !!!  Ez alapjan ez a vilag legdragabb
auto-
palyaja.

>A verebek meg azt is
>csiripelik (de lehet, hogy ez aljas ragalom), hogy a regi szakaszon a
>rendorok lepten-nyomon igazoltatjak az oda tevedoket, a 80 km/h hatart cm/h
>pontossaggal betartatjak,

Nincs szukseg erre, mert azon a szakaszon csak az eleted kockaztatasa-
val lehet tobbel menni (en szoktam, mig volt autom). A fo baj ott, hogy
az 
ut java falukon megy at es csak 50 km/h val mehetsz, es ezt valoban fi-
gyelik a zsandarok.

Tamas

Most talaltam:

http://www.nepszabadsag.hu

Udv, tamas

On 11 May 1996 20:15:00 GMT, (TRUTHNET) wrote:

>                    Risk on the Journey
>               (a speech given June 26, 1995)

>Ladies and Gentlemen:

>Today I consider myself privileged and honored to stand 
>before you and share about my journey with Christ in Egypt. 
>I have to admit, first and foremost, that I am grateful to
>God's saints in the WMU for their labor of love to get the 
>Gospel proclaimed to Muslims, In fact, I am indebted to 
>each member of the WMU, exactly as the apostle Paul felt 
>when he said in Romans 1:14, "I am a debtor both to Greeks 
>and to barbarians, both to wise and to unwise."

 Whenever some American  says "to find the TRUTH" instead of "to find
OUT the truth" I know whom I'm talking to: a fundamentalist.

 A plague on both your houses!

> ------------------------------------------
Ruding's Law: the way to hell is paved with guarantees.
Redgy van Hove

---------------------

In article > , 
writes:
>Ah, there is a limit even to Roman's legendary good will and
>tolerance!  Why, what do you think is wrong with the Tyrolean solution
>between Italy and Austria ?

Well, I also don't believe in the donated collective rights. Those
collective rights has to be extorted either by the minority (yes,
forexample by bombing as the Tyrolean did it) or by the Hunga-
rian government (using diplomatic and not so diplomatic pressure.)

I think, however, you completely missed the hard message of 
the letter of Roman Kanala. He says - as far as I am able to
understand -that the ratification of the treaty on Hungarian
side was a disastrous  diplomatic failure which hurts not only the
Hungarian minority itself but also the Slovaks too by stabilizing,
giving credibility to and letting gain international acceptance for
a far from democratic Slovak government.

Tamas

What exactly have YOU done to help your motherland?

Wally Keeler ) wrote:
>For students intending to visit Hungary for the summer, it might be
>interesting to give a voluntary hand to some NGO's involved with the Rom.

>There are many Rom organizations which need help. The Human Rights Project
>(HRP) in Bulgaria, is an NGO which documents human rights abuses against
>Roma and provides free legal services to Roma to combat discrimination,
>police brutality, etc. Graduate students can operate mostly in English.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And poor abused Romas will communicate in fluent English. ;-)

Another project from the Moon. :-((((

Andras

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: Pronounced: Ya El-scar deyy.

: Bilal
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In portuguese:

Eu amo-te

Pronounced:  e'u  ~amo te

As predicted by the pretentious name of TRUTH (why do
religious nuts always write truth in all-capitals, anyway),
it turned out to be another one of those "Born-agains are 
right and everyone else is wrong" sites, complete with
a creationism promotion section, and other material 
putting down variants of Christianity like Mormons,
Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists. 
 
Noticeably, though, they had no section challenging 
atheism or agnosticism, which would definitely show
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 (A fucking angry romanian) wrote:
>In article >,
>   "%FNAME%" > wrote:
>
>>It doesn't change the facts.  Minorities are treated with hatred, and extreme
 
>>ethnocentrism in 
>>Romania, fascism and neo-fascistic views are on the rise, and I don't see the
 
>>so-called Romanian 
>>Intelligentsia doing anything about it.  A country that officially 
>>rehabilitates a convicted and 
>>executed war criminal like Antonescu deserves nothing more than contempt from
 
>>the rest of the 
>>world.
>
>Oh, SHUT UP YOU! who the fuck gives the right to tell us Romanians what to do 
>with our national heroes??!! 

National Hero, indeed,  to such a nation, such a hero

If Funar wants to raise a 200 meter statue of 
>Avram Iancu in Cluj let him do it! It's our country and we can do whatever the
 
>fuck we want! Understood??? so get the fuck off our newsgroup with your stupid
 
>magyar rhetoric that even your fellow magyars would not agree with.


I am NOT Hungarian

>Besides how many hungarians did Antonescu ordered to be send to concentration 
>camps? We fucking paid with the blood of our Romanian soldiers to fucking 
>liberate your stinkin' Budapest. And now, what the fuck you want more?? 

Believe me, I want absolutely nothing.  I only sit back and rejoice in the judg
dment passed by 
the civilized world against Romania who is being ignored by virtually every wes
tern country.>

>And who the fuck convincted Antonescu I may ask? Yeah...sure the "romanian 
>people" in the name of the "Romanian Popular Republic". What republic? Who 
>instaurated the republic?? And don't bring me that bullshit about Horty! Bear 
>with it, he's just as quilty as any fascist out there, besides he was one of 
>the first to run and lick Hitler's toes. 

At least Antonescu believed in 
>Romania and died here, and that's why he's a hero to us. He didn't die of 
>natural causes....in Portugal...for example.

That's because your HERO was a war criminal, I havent' heard of any country dis
puting that.
>
>-Funar for Mayor of Cluj

I would like to tell my fellow poster that you are, unfortunately, the product 
of your country. 
 As such, and through your rather monotonous and illiterate use of words, demon
strate yet again, 
why your country is in the shape it's in.

More power to you

IW

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

IW

Indeed,

But I remember hearing once that Romanians disliked Secretary of State Baker be
cause they assumed 
his views on Romania to be influenced by his Hungarian wife  ( is that true?). 
 Once again, a 
typical Romanian reaction, it is always other people's fault fortheir shortcomi
ngs, not their 
own

IW,

Indeed,

But I remember hearing once that Romanians disliked Secretary of State Baker be
cause they assumed 
his views on Romania to be influenced by his Hungarian wife  ( is that true?). 
 Once again, a 
typical Romanian reaction, it is always other people's fault fortheir shortcomi
ngs, not their 
own

IW,

In article > %FNAME%, 
writes:
>Next to whom did Horty live while in Portugal?

Tell me please , I am dying of curiousity....

Tamás

My dear and very inquisitive Sir Panonescu, to be most accurate about this 
revolutionnary mouvements, you must know the fact that, from a historical point
 of 
view, the Romanian changements were starting in 1988(!) at ...Chisinau. Pastor 
Tokes 
has not at all any contributions in this impressive change. Please, try to prac
tice 
the comparative historical studies.                                            
     
    In Iasi city, it was programmated, by the so-called Popular Front of Romani
a 
(similar to the Popular Front of Moldova), the anti-communist meeting for Decem
ber 
14, 1989 (three days earlier by comparison with the spontaneous solidarity of 
Timisoara's citizens -behind any ethnic criteria- with that pastor PRIVATE 
cause...)...  In a big part of Iasi, from Copou hill to the industrial zone, ma
ny 
hundreds anti-communist manifests were spreded a day before...Unfortunately, th
e 
initiators of that very rational and programming revolutionary meeting in Iasi 
city, 
were, immmediately, arrested and the town occupied by the ancient political 
police...                                                                      
     
    Again, friendly, I invite you to chek the facts before you refer to the his
tory 
of another country.It's a minimum and absolute necessary bon sense!


    Understandableness, your Valerius M. Ciuca.

In article >,
   "%FNAME%" > wrote:

>It doesn't change the facts.  Minorities are treated with hatred, and extreme 
>ethnocentrism in 
>Romania, fascism and neo-fascistic views are on the rise, and I don't see the 
>so-called Romanian 
>Intelligentsia doing anything about it.  A country that officially 
>rehabilitates a convicted and 
>executed war criminal like Antonescu deserves nothing more than contempt from 
>the rest of the 
>world.

Oh, SHUT UP YOU! who the fuck gives the right to tell us Romanians what to do 
with our national heroes??!! If Funar wants to raise a 200 meter statue of 
Avram Iancu in Cluj let him do it! It's our country and we can do whatever the 
fuck we want! Understood??? so get the fuck off our newsgroup with your stupid 
magyar rhetoric that even your fellow magyars would not agree with.

Besides how many hungarians did Antonescu ordered to be send to concentration 
camps? We fucking paid with the blood of our Romanian soldiers to fucking 
liberate your stinkin' Budapest. And now, what the fuck you want more?? 

And who the fuck convincted Antonescu I may ask? Yeah...sure the "romanian 
people" in the name of the "Romanian Popular Republic". What republic? Who 
instaurated the republic?? And don't bring me that bullshit about Horty! Bear 
with it, he's just as quilty as any fascist out there, besides he was one of 
the first to run and lick Hitler's toes. At least Antonescu believed in 
Romania and died here, and that's why he's a hero to us. He didn't die of 
natural causes....in Portugal...for example.

-Funar for Mayor of Cluj

Next to King Carol and Elena Lupescu (his Jewish Romanian woman).  What a coinc
idence!!!

IW

Another cheap shot from Joe Pannon.
As other of his "activist" friends he is quite selective in picking
historical facts. Then he repackages the whole thing to put romanians
in a bad light.

Let's see:

 wrote:

> Heck, while all of the East Bloc
> was already in the post-communist phase, everybody was wondering when,
> if ever, will Romanians hop on the train.

Couldn't be a plausible explanation the fact that the communist regimes
from the other Warsaw Pact countries where more obedient to the 
directives coming from Moscow ? Remember, Romania was the only one 
that hadn't russian troops stationed on her soil.
Couldn't this mean that Romania was harder to influence than
a country that has russian bases on her soil ? 
Unfortunately romanians could not benefit as others from the 
"perestroika" and "glasnost" radiating from Moscow.

> Finally, you needed a
> Hungarian pastor to get you kick-started.  Your post only confirms what
> is obvius that you cannot forgive him for that.


In november 1987 in Brasov (second largest city in Romania) there
has been an uprising.
It occurred while a fake election event was taking place.
It was a spontaneous movement that involved the workers of the
"Tractorul" factory (I think). I know that a mob of angry people
devastated the party and mayory buildings.
  But I guess that 1987 was a bit too early for the dismantlement
of the iron cortin.

At that time (1987) nobody have heard anything about Tokes. Actually I
started hearing about him just a few months before December 1989
(from Radio Free Europe of course).


Everybody has heard about the hungarian 1956 uprising while nobody knew
(even romanians didn't knew) about the partisan war waged in the 
Carpathians by anti-communist forces until the 50s.
But is not the first time romanian's acts remain anonymous. You know,
those daco-romans anonymously retreating in the same Carpathians,
while those magyar tribes where making a big noise while settling
in Panonia ;-)

> Joe

Cristian Alb

Jay wrote:
> 
> Of course the SovietUnion will rise again..ever read Hal Lindsey's Late
> Great Planet Earth.  

	.J




	THE LATE GREAT PLANET EARTH? Someone actually read THE LATE GREAT 
PLANET EARTH and BELIEVED IT? *spastic laughter* The only truthful info 
in that book is on the cover, namely, the title and the name of the 
author. 

	Fyodor


p.s. - note how I trimmed the crosspost list. so keep your goddamn 
snippy comments to yourself, you anal retentive fuck
p.p.s. - that p.s. was not directed toward J.

"Mr. Wizard" > wrote:

>Antonio wrote:
>> 
>> FRIENDS AND COMRADES, THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER.  A SMART-ASS CRETIN KNOWN AS
>> 'GEORGE HERBERT' HAS FLIPPANTLY INSTRUCTED THE USERS OF THE USENET NOT TO
>> RESPOND TO POSTS LAUDING THE EFFORTS OF COMMUNISTS IN RUSSIA TO FORM A NEW
>> SOVIET UNION WHICH SHALL CRUSH ALL VERMIN LIKE HIM.
>> 
>> MY FRIENDS, THE PROGRESSIVE FORCES OF SOCIALISM WILL NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.
>> ONCE WE ARE IN POWER, THE ENTIRE 'NET' WILL BE USED ONLY FOR REVOLUTIONARY
>> PURPOSES.  WE ARE RESERVING A CELL IN THE NEW GULAG FOR THE LIKES OF ANTI-
>> SOVIET HOOLIGANS LIKE MR. HERBERT.   MR. GEORGE HERBERT, BE WARNED.
>> 
>> LONG LIVE THE STRUGGLE OF THE PROGRESSIVE FORCES OF SOCIALISM!
>> 
>> Antonio "I am a Stalinist, but I'm a Nice Guy" Gomez Muzcreidt

>I'm sick of this racist bullshit.  Could you take it to the appropriate 
>Nazi/racists/psycho groups?

>I have absolutely no iterest in hearing you denounce millions of innocent
>people who are entitled to their opinion just like you.

>Please, leave innocent folks alone.  After all, they're not coming after you,
>are they?

Non mais, y devient grave, cet Antonio! Y veut nous faire croire que
les Luxembourgeois sont des Caucasiens, et maintenant il veut revenir
au communisme. Il est dangereux de penser ainsi.


--
Stephane Dohet, dit Phane
|=======================================
|      RUBAN BLEU
|=======================================
|      BLUE RIBBON
|=======================================

Vive l'Europe des Regions
Long live Europe of the Regions
Lang leve het Europa der Regio's

Brave "%FNAME%" >, talking about Antonescu,
whom he considers a war criminal, spat this out:

>National Hero, indeed,  to such a nation, such a hero

I can suggest you another successfull line that belongs to a
more honest creature :

>Stirbe schmutziche roma:ner... etc

Si daca ai macar doi neuroni in cap, incearca sa uiti.

...................................................................

"Nu eu gindesc la partid, avem un colectiv de batrini care gindeste."
 - Viorel Hrebenciuc, in timp ce vorbea

Joe Pannon ) wrote:
 
> Roman Kanala  > wrote:
> 
> >I have to add that personally, I don't believe in collective rights.
> >It's not the collective rights that are the pilliers of the democracy.
> >Collective rights for Magyar minority, if granted, would not contribute
> >to increased social stability, as they would give more rights to a
> >group of citizen, distinction made on ethnic principles. I think that
> >in the contrary, it's the individual rights that should be granted.
> 
> Ah, there is a limit even to Roman's legendary good will and
> tolerance!  Why, what do you think is wrong with the Tyrolean solution
> between Italy and Austria?

  Everything has its reasonable limits, Joe. BTW, anytime Mr. Kanala's
opinion is different from mine, it makes me think about the issue
suspecting I may have been wrong.


Peter Hakel

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THE PERPETRATORS OF THIS HORRENDOUS CRIME HAVE CHOSEN THE WRONG PARTY TO
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(TRUTHNET) wrote:

IWe welcome your comments after you view
our page.


IThanks


You're in the wrong group. If you want
to spread the truth stick to the truth
of netiquette. Keep similar subjects in
same groups.
Respectfully Yours,
Lonnie J. Cook
"Destroyer"on ICC
>
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T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>
>I think, however, you completely missed the hard message of 
>the letter of Roman Kanala. He says - as far as I am able to
>understand -that the ratification of the treaty on Hungarian
>side was a disastrous  diplomatic failure which hurts not only the
>Hungarian minority itself but also the Slovaks too by stabilizing,
>giving credibility to and letting gain international acceptance for
>a far from democratic Slovak government.

No, I didn't miss it; I just responded to the part I didn't agree with.
Roman is one of the good guys with whom I tend to agree in most things,
so I was a bit surprised to find something I did not.

Joe

"%FNAME%" > writes:

>Indeed,

>But I remember hearing once that Romanians disliked Secretary of State Baker b
ecause they assumed 
>his views on Romania to be influenced by his Hungarian wife  ( is that true?).
  Once again, a 
>typical Romanian reaction, it is always other people's fault fortheir shortcom
ings, not their 
>own

>IW, 


   Once again, without name, but with such hate to Romania that
 doesn't let him sleep even in Dallas! Another *S* version. 
 Must be International AbnonS Society.


   Elena

On 11 May 1996  wrote:

> I have to admire you for your seemingly inexhaustable willingness of
> giving the benefit of doubt to people who don't deserve it.
> One of them is Frajkor whose explanation you responded to was nothing
> but pure and unadalterated sophistry.  Judging from the flack he is
> getting from his fellow Slovaks, even they can see through him!
> How come you can't?              ^^^^

  Dear Joe,

 I already pointed out in the past that statements like this wouldn't
improve the relationship between Hungarians and Slovaks. I'm sorry to
see you couldn't care less.


Peter Hakel

I'll be visiting Hungary soon and would like some recommendations
on what to see.  What cities should I see and what should I
see once I'm in the city?  Also, any other suggestions to make
my trip more pleasant would be welcome (what to bring, what not
to do, etc)  I'll be there 3-4 days later this month.

   Thanks.

Peter

I would like to have, if possible, some feed back about Latvian
border stations specially about AINAZI border station on 
the Estonian-Latvian border.

I travelled to Latvia from Estonia via Ainazi border station
without problems in a larger group.

But, the rumours are circulating over here in Finland:

* occassionally personnel on Ainazi border station work *drunk*

* personnel on the border station *steal* passports from the
  travellers?
  ...specially in danger are those travelling alone, in a private
  car, businessmen and alike

  You may have bought in the station the insurance for your car
  but when after giving the passport to the personnel they claim
  there is no passport. The personnel on the station does act
  not very plesant. It is said that about 180 Finnish passports
  is stolen allready in the course of this year solely on the
  border station in Ainazi.

  Is this problem something what some other people may have heard?

  Good news, too. An acquintace of mine travelled over Lithuanian
  Polish border in 15 minutes without problems. In generally it is
  said even two days is normal routine and you have to give 
  bribes for the personnel on the border between Lithuania
  and Poland.

  How works Via Baltica road connection in generally. Any experiences?

  regards,
  jami

ps. Via Baltica is an opportunity for the three Baltic states.
    The road is good. Services are sufficient. Not that bad
    traffic either. Nice sceneries. Interesting lingual and
    cultural landscape. And cheap from the Finnish point of
    view.

    Therefore I hope someone could repeal the rumours about
    Ainazi.

    Valga-Valka experiences are also welcome.
    However,mine are good.
  
jr
-- 
#In 1958,The Swedish School Administration repealed directives banning#
 # the speaking of Finnish language in Sweden's schools.However,some #
       # municipalities maintained restrictions until 1968 #

Walter Sheasby  > wrote:
>[bunch of stuff deleted]

Walter, I hate to be blunt, but massive abusive crossposting of this nature
is most likely to cause people to vote for Republicans, Edward Teller,
and/or whomever the current owner of Pacific Lumber is than it is to
get you more votes.  There are right ways to campaign on Usenet and
wrong ways, and you just cut your own leg off with a chainsaw.

					-george
						Too many Greens.
						Too many Reds.
						Beginning to wonder about
						going Colorblind for survival.

ANY HOAXTERS ILLEGALLY AND MALICIOUSLY USING ANOTHER PERSON'S INTERNET ADDRESS
WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.

I REPEAT, THEIR IDENTITY WILL BE FOUND AND THEY WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE 
FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.

THERE ARE NO NUDE PICTURES OF ANY GIRL NAMED LINDA, OR ANYONE ELSE, AVAILABLE
FROM THIS INTERNET DOMAIN ADDRESS.

Fuck off you fuckbag gypsy scum.
-- 
Lee Laborczfalvi
Sydney
Australia

Peter Hakel  > wrote:
>
> I already pointed out in the past that statements like this wouldn't
>improve the relationship between Hungarians and Slovaks. I'm sorry to
>see you couldn't care less.

Peter,
that response was to Charlie, not you, so I am at a loss about what
you're talking about.  In fact, you are just confirming what I was
writing to Charlie, namely that most Slovaks (including you, of course)
can see through Frajkor's sophistry.

Joe

On 8 May 1996, Antonio wrote:

> MY FRIENDS, IN ONLY A SHORT WHILE NOW A NEW SOVIET UNION WILL BE CREATED.
> ALL THE PUNK SATELLITE STATES THAT THOUGHT THEY COULD "GO IT ALONE" WILL
> BE RE-ABSORBED, AND THE RED BANNER OF REVOLUTION WILL FLY HIGH AGAIN.
>
> THE HAMMER AND SICKLE WILL AGAIN REIGN OVER ALL THE REPUBLICS.

I rabochii stuknet tebia molotom po golove, a krestianka serpom po
iaitsam.

Szaszvari Peter > kerdez, majd valaszaimat kovetoen
valaszol is az altala feltett kerdesekre, ezert sajat valaszaimat az eredeti
kerdesekre most en is ignoralom.
 
>1. Ki epitette volna az expot? (Kinek a penzebol)
>A koltsegvetesi tamogatas azt jelenti, hogy Mo. osszes adofizetojenek 
>penzebol. A vallalkozoi toke jol hangzik de amikor a dolgot meghirdettek a 
>vallalkozok nem ozonlottek igy az adopenz lett volna a tulnyomo tobbseg.

Barath Etele (MSzP) nyilatkozza 1996. majus 11-en a Magyar Nemzetnek:
"Sokfelol tamadtak, amikor hat-hetmilliard dollar mukodotoke bearamlasat
jeleztem elore. ... akkor euforia uralkodott a nemzetkozi gazdasagban. Megis
azok a nagy szervezetek, amelyek az expohoz kapcsolodva megjelentek,
elobb-utobb a gazdasag mas szferajaban is mukodni kezdtek."

>2. Ki huzta volna belole a hasznot? (Hova ment volna a bevetel, ki kapta
> volna a megmaradt intezmenyeket?)
>A bevetel a "langossutok", szallodasok es egyebb tuzhoz kozelallok zsebebe 
>vandorolt volna es biztosan nem az alsoapajpusztai adofizetoebe aki vegulis 
>kifizette volna az egesz hacaccaret.

A langossutok, szallodasok, stb. bevetelenek jelentos hanyada (ugyan nem
maximum 48%-a, mint most) igenis az allamkasszaba ment volna, vegso soron
enyhitve az alsoapajpusztai polgar adoterheit.

>3. A Becsiek miert nem akartak expozni helyettunk?
>Szerintem egyszeruen tobb eszuk volt. Ne felejtsuk el ott a nep dontott es nem
 
>egy part reklamfonoke.

Melyik pa'rte'? (u.i. a parlament dontott, es a megrendezes mellett
szavazott a szocialista frakcio is). Egyebkent a lemondasrol sem a nep
dontott, pedig ERRE volt nepszavazasi kezdemenyezes, csak a Parlament
tobbsege nem volt hajlando a szavazas kiirasara.
>
>4. Egy atlag magyar allampolgart egyaltalan beengedtek volna-e az expo
>teruletere?
>Talan nem tudta volna kifizetni a belepot. Vagy kettos arszabas lett volna? 
>Vagy ha ki tudta volna fizetni akkor honnan lett volna a bevetel? Ugyanis amit
 
>egy magyar allampolgar ki tud ma fizetni az nemzetkozi arakon rohelyes.

Nem tudom, mennyibe kerult volna a belepo. De ha egy magyar allampolgar ki
tud naponta fizetni egy-ket korso sort @150 Ft, eleteben egyszer akar 1-2000
Ft-ot is le tudott volna talan pengetni a belopoert. 

>5. Hogyan lett volna az expo megkozelitheto?
>...mondjuk kulfoldrol. Ut-vasut ugyanis meg mindig nincs.

Pontosan az expo-hoz kapcsolodoan ujitottak fel a Bp.-Becs vasutvonalat, es
nyilt meg az M1-es autopalya teljes hosszaban. Ha mar valami rohejes, az az,
hogy ennek az autopalyanak az utoljara megepult 45 km-es szakaszan 900 Ft
hasznalati dijat (vagy lehet, hogy mar tobbet is...) kell fizetni (na, nem
egy evre, hanem egyetlen alkalomra). Noch dazu, a fizeto szakasz
elkerulesehez igen alapos helyismeret szukseges, a kevesbe dorzsoltek egybol
beszaladnak a csapdaba es fizetnek, mint a katonatiszt. A verebek meg azt is
csiripelik (de lehet, hogy ez aljas ragalom), hogy a regi szakaszon a
rendorok lepten-nyomon igazoltatjak az oda tevedoket, a 80 km/h hatart cm/h
pontossaggal betartatjak, mig az autopalyan nyugodtan lehet kilonyolcvannal
repeszteni.

>>>6. Hogyan utaztak volna a latogatok az egyes szinhelyek kozott?
>>Ax exponak Budapesten egyetlen fo helyszine lett volna, ezert nem ertem a
>>kerdest.
>Ez a velemeny eros valtozasokat mutatott az utolso pillanatig. Gyakorlatilag 
>Lagymanyostol Bekasmegyerig minden szabad es nemszabad negyzetmeter 
>szobakerult.

Az, hogy mi volt a terv: egy dolog, hogy vegul hova epult: masik dolog. Nem
volt a kerdesed egy brossuraval elmaradva?

>7. Nem veletlenul mar az elozo kormany dontott az expo elmaradasarol?
....
>Visszavonom. Mar emlekszem, az elozo kormany csak hagyta az ugyet halodni 
>amikor rajott mennyire nem megy es a kovetkezo tette meg neki azt a 
>szivesseget, hogy elvitte a balhet. (Akkor valoban fellelegeztem egy 
>pillanatra)

Akkor ismet hadd idezzem Barath Etelet (MSzP): "Az akkori ellenzok utobb
politikailag ugyesen kihasznaltak az expo altal elinditott fejlesztesek
eredmenyeit. Felavattak a Lagymanyosi hidat, a felujitott foldalattit, a
2-es villamos vonala't, az 5-os es 6-os ut bevezeto szakaszat, az egyetem
epuletenek megnyitasan Fodor G. akkori muv. miniszter jelent meg." - Ezt nem
neveznem balhe-elvitelnek, so"t! 

>Apropo telefon. Hogyan tetszik az allapot, hogy ma telefon helyett csak 
>bunkofont (maroktelefon) lehet kapni Pesten az viszont jon a csapbol is.
>Tudvan, hogy a telefon egy nagyon jo uzlet, nem kis maffia allhat a hatterben.
>(Valoszinuleg hasonlo maffiak vittek volna el az expo bevetelet (nem hasznat) 
>is).
Kerdesed alapjan neked nem tetszik. Kapaszkodj meg... Nekem sem.

Vitan kivul szeretnek meg egy kis idezetet kozrebocsajtani Barath Etele
(MSzP) Magyar Nemzet-beli interjujabol, mert jol jellemzi az expo korul
kialakult, higgadtnak semmikeppen nem nevezheto legkort.

"... felhivom a figyelmet Soos Karoly Attila beszedere, melyet a
Parlamentben az expo leszavazasa elott mondott el. Szelsosegesen
expoellenesen, sertoen beszelt azokrol is, akik tiszta lelkiismerettel
dolgoztak a jo ugyert. A szocialista frakcioban utana tobben mondtak, ha
Soos ot perccel tobbet beszel, megszavazzak az expot."
Jalso Gy.